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Chitchat Japan vs China

scroobal

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Its not just products, it covers services, including engineering, architecture, landscaping, botancy, civility etc. I simplified for you at product level to provide evidence and tai chied it away. Pointless for long essays if you unable to address simple questions. Maybe you could pick a field or discipline to support your view, just one.

See if you can address this in a civil way.

HA HA, you have clearly lost your argument on the superiority of the jappies.

Your point above already very well refuted by French by citing examples of Chinese products superior or doing better than jap ones.

This forum thread has been a good run. Good bye screweee.:smile:
 

numero uno

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I had originally not wanted to comment anymore on the thread. However, TS continued comments in praise of the jappies made me want to respond to his views.

He again seem to time and again emphasized the jap attention to details, neatness and throughout and executed plans as reflected, even in the streets.

I ask, so what? He seem to imply, in his view, because China and the Chinese do not seem to be able to work in similar fashion as the japs, somehow, in comparison, China is more backward, maybe able to achieve less than what the japs could do….but then, at the moment, who is making great economic strides year after year and soon, or already achieved the world’s number one economy status and who is the cuntry mired in a 20 year deflationary cycle, unable to get out of it?

SO WHAT? The germans too are very well known as a people for being detailed, precise and execute well thought out plans. During WW2, it has been found, germans even use the ibm machines to keep track, account and execute their ‘final solution’ against the jews. Imagine six million people just sent to their deaths, in the process, all their wealth, possessions, accumulated for generations got systematically robbed by the germans. They even collected the teeth and hair of the victims for use in some way to benefit the war torn german economy. So what? Do we then clap out hands and celebrate such a fantastic feat of racial, ethnic genocide and praise the germans for such a great deed….come on, it is not easy, logistically to manage to herd six million people to their deaths and harvest their wealth in the process. Such a crime against humanity and open robbery was and still is unprecedented in human history, except when we take a closer comparison with what the japs did. The japs might have done even a better more precise job against China, Korea and the rest of Asia. Let’s take a look.

The japs, being detailed as ‘praised’ more or less were able to execute their war plans ‘perfectly’. They surprised the amerigos with a direct destruction of their hawaii naval base so that uarsesA could not use their naval power to stop the jap mighty sweep down S E Asia. When the japs execute their sook ching operations in China, Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia, it was said and observed that they had already detailed plans of how to execute such genocidal plans – they already had lists of ‘anti-jap’ locals whom they wanted to arrest and execute, even before they conquered each SE Asian country. They had plans for how the local population were to be ‘taxed’ to punish their support of ‘anti jappie’ invasion and how comfort women were to be gathered for the entertainment of their troops. All the actions which went to support and sustain the great jap drive to build their imperial empire!!! So, do we also clap our hands and say, well done jappie dogs, you did very well to rob and increase the wealth of the jappie imperials by executing this tremendous logistical deed against the peoples of Asia!!!!

Not forgetting too another seldom discussed and not well known ‘genocidal’ deed by the japs, the murders and robbing of 20 million North Eastern Chinese people during WW2. Sooner or later, some researcher is going to uncover this great feat…do we then also celebrate such great attention to details for the japs to managed killing 20 million people and robbing the resources of the North East …a deed worse or better???? than the german killing and robbing of 6 million jews???.

One must ask the question – what or how do the ordinary germans and japs feel about such abdominal deeds of mass genocide? Besides the usual excuses of ‘…I am only following orders’, ‘…I have no choice or else I myself would be harmed’…there were also inventive ones like ‘…the propaganda media machines kept us in the dark…we don’t know anything…so could not do anything…” The jap simbums ran daily and weekly contests to celebrate the ‘execution champions’ – laughable bushido warriors who were able to cut off the most heads of the Chinese victims, kill the Chinese in the most inventive and atrocious manner….” Hirohito was pictured, time and again, on page one simbum dancing in glee over the conquest of one Chinese City after another…North East, Nanking, Beijing, …..

The german presses also celebrated and reported the drive of the army into europe…each time one european country fell under german boots, they clapped….So are we still able to accept the excuse that the japs and germans do not know of these genocides? Other than following orders, I do not know, being detailed and presumably educated and knowledgeable, would the germans and japs not think for themselves….no, no, killing other people on a mass scale is a no, no….it is immoral, inhuman….just like killing dogs and cats and eating people are no…no….

If we look at what the germans and japs did in atonement of their genocides, the contrasts were stark and obvious. The germans admitted to their deeds. Straight away, they suffered the splitting of their german land into east and west, they got occupied by the soviets and the allies. They admitted their crimes against humanities, some who could be caught got sentenced to death or prison sentences…germans vowed, never ever to do such a genocidal deed again!!

In contrast, the japs had it good. The japs had their imperial system intact….hirohito continued to dance his dances in celebration of past glories in his palace. Then, the amerigos had a great idea….in order to prevent the recovery and rise of China, the spread of Chinese Communism, the jappies were given great help technologically and financially to improve productivity and drive their economy towards the successes of the 60s, 70s, 80s…so much so, jappies in turn became the gurus of the amerigos and europeans for productivity and industrial progress…this was the early amerigo ‘pivot in Asia’.

….the jappies, NEVER openly and officially say sorry to any of the countries or peoples in Asia who suffered under their imperial broken dreams…whatever compensation they offered to victims and comfort women were dispensed with reluctance and miserly. Whatever help they provided to Asian countries in improving their industry systems and productivities were investments made in anticipation of the opening of greater markets for jappie products and profits….japs NEVER SAID SORRY.….

So what do we made of the above? Even if the japs are detailed and precise so what? Do they respect other people and humanity as a whole…seriously no. They are now trying to change their war time constitution in order to be armed….one day, their imperial ambitions will be revived again…that is the worry of the peoples of Asia.

If the japs are so good because they are precise and detailed…why is it that they are mired in a 20 year deflationary cycle? Unable to get out of the death traps? Why are they not number two or three economically like in the 70s and 80s?

The reason of course, already mentioned, they are homogenous and homogenously dense …they dare not do the necessary or anything different to save their economy. At the base level, for example, we are talking about their unwillingness to change the system, for to do so would thread on many many self and built in interests and reduction of privileges for the elites….they know it is not right…..the patronage system whereby retired civil servants who just before or after retirement get sinecures from the very organizations they monitored for legal & regulatory compliance in the past.. a big conflict of interest…yet they continued with the system…which jappie civil servant in his right mind, who at the age of 50+ or 60, does not want to have another guaranteed iron rice bowl, even if means to work for the very organizations they monitored in the past and that is morally and ethically incorrect…they don’t want to change the system, the privileges, the benefits…even if the cuntry is mired in a 20 year deflationary cycle….don’t change, don’t rock the boat…continue to enjoy your beneftis….let the cuntry be dammed!!!!

If we look at China, again we see big contrasts – they just got out of the disastrous Cultural Revolution when the initiator died in 1976…the country is mired in economic difficulties…the power that be would have let things be and continued with the system of governance. Luckily, there were enough nationalistic and country loving people around…they know to let the gang of four continue with their regime would be disastrous….they then overthrew the GOF, throw out the remnants of revolutionary elements, get rid of the in built self interests and in the process offended many many old cadres. Teng was condemned and called a revisionist, an anti revolutionary. His life was in great danger.
But the country was still in trouble, tethering on the brink of collapse by the centrally planned system. That was why the leaders bravely went on in mid to late 80s to visit various countries and try to learn how to turn in better economic results…..the result was a gradual retreat of the centrally planned system on to one that motivates the people to work hard, for themselves….if they are successful, others will follow. The rest is history…

Today, if we look at China and japs, we see a world of difference. One is rising towards world number one economy….great strides in science, technology, industry, in many cases beyond what amerigo and euros did or able to do. Space, science, patents….. In contrast, the latter is still struggling along with negative interest rates and massive printing of money to maintain the dying economy.
The big difference between the two countries is just that, the Chinese powers that be are willing to change the system, destroying built in self-interests and offending the elites – all for the better good of the country and the welfare of the people. They are revolutionaries without the violence but no less deadly against established interests.

Of course, we cannot totally blame the japs for their unwilling to change and improve. The same happens in amerigo. We now have a revolutionary who knows the problem, wanted to reform the existing system, reduce the federal reserve powers, rein in the bankers, their privileges and their robbery of the financial system. But, so long as bi partisan politics continue to exist, it will be hard for Trump to succeed in his drive to make America Great Again. The established self interests have ensured that his every move and new policy improvement is opposed and defeated. Very sad for such a country with potential……unless, they really are able to produce a great revolutionary to lead and put the country into a new and different path of development.

But China still has problems…big problems. 20 years of economic progress had produced a new class of elites and the rich, ready to defend and oppose moves to reform and improvement. Corruption and mal practices remain rampant. It is a big test for the present leadership to overcome such inertia and try new ways to improve the system and put the country towards a path of continued economic success. If they are able and willing to ensure that heads that need to roll in order for the country to progress, the heads indeed roll off the disease body, and be replaced by heads with visions and plans for greater success. No one can guarantee or know of the results in the future, but if they indeed do the right things at the present, just as what Teng did in the early 90s, then there is great hope that the potentials of China will finally be fully exercised and the country takes its rightful place as the first amongst equals amongst nations.

Finally, what of the much praised jap attention to details and great execution of plans? It is just but one feature out of the so many factors that ensure whether a country can be successful or not. All these factors need to be properly harnessed, by nationalistic, country loving leaders who are willing to challenge the norm, change the system, offend the self interests….if not the country will still remain for the next 50 years (if they can last that long) in a deflationary cycle and eventually implode towards total collapse….
Just so little for the destinies of failed bushido progenies,,,,

Cheers.

I tend to agree with you nti; I went to China and USA and Europe and see the big mess the world is in. If you look at the broad picture and not just the moral issues(which depends on how you see it as history is always right in the eyes of the victor), what if the germans and Japanese have won WWII? the world NOW could probably be safer, less terrorism, less deaths(from pollution , wars etc), more properous(look at how screwed up the banking and monetary system under USA and world bank which is controlled by the Feds), more advancements in health, science and technology, greener(ironically the Japanese and germans are well know for setting standards for antipollution and taking steps to prevent destruction of nature, etc. We have all been blinded by all this pro USA pro Jews crap. look at the Chinese market. people there aren't that ethical either(with all the fake milk, eggs, pollution, greed, extreme selfish mentality). things are not so clear cut. do you know more people have died from air pollution from all the crappy technology and green house effect (selfish USA the greatest polluter refused to sign the kyoto protocol) than all the world wars combined. even Mao tse tung killed more of his own countrymen than the jews (killed by the germans) and chinese combined who were killed in WW2 by the japs. and till this day they gloss it over for such a huge crime against humanity. things are not so clear cut.
 

fupikee

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Its not just products, it covers services, including engineering, architecture, landscaping, botancy, civility etc. I simplified for you at product level to provide evidence and tai chied it away. Pointless for long essays if you unable to address simple questions. Maybe you could pick a field or discipline to support your view, just one.

See if you can address this in a civil way.

I have already answered you in advance.

The fact that japs are still wallowing in a 20 year deflationary circle gave proof to my point. China in contrast is moving towards world's number one economy status. Given the impetus, it is moving towards world domination. Its currency is now included into the special drawing rights of the world's reserved currencies. It has now its own exchanges, a physical (that is real, not paper, virtual, not fake) for gold and silver exchange that set prices daily for the commodities. Where is the jappie exchange now?

Of course, without doubt, big problems still exist for China. A lot of their systems are still not mature and needs reform to bring them to and be congruent with world standards. That is why China needs a strong leadership now, with a concentration of political, military and ideological powers to ensure that visions and plans for a greater China will be realised in 50 to 100 years' time. Of course, the process will not be smooth. Of course, there will be problems on the way. But with the momentum of 1500 million consumer market driving the way, the economic powers and course are set.

That leaves the questions, despite the jappie supposed 'superior' attention to details, nice architecture, nice this, nice that, can you, TS hazard a guess, where are the japs going in the next 50 years? Are they able to get out of their inertia and
move the economy towards steady progress, year on year? What will be their comparative advantage in an increasing competitive world, especially with many rising economies in the Asia Pacific region?.

The only way as I see it, and herein lies the biggest threat posed by jappies. They have no other choice but to re-arm, and assisted, most likely by a dying uarseA, acting upon their own self interests, start military actions against its neighbours. The hope is to go rob and pick up the spoils of war from the rising Asian economic stars. That, my friend is the real worry of all rational minded Asians seeing the jappie behaviour (changing their constitution, increasing military budgets, retooling industries towards war, etc). The jappies can all go can get fucked for their pipe dreams....in a world of nuclear power, sooner or later, they will get nuked again for their sins, if they blindly and homogenously drive towards a military option.

That, is my judgement of this useless, barbaric, debauched and inhuman cuntry.
 

mojito

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Feudalism ended when the Magna Carta was forced upon the king?what?here i was thinking,the aristocracy finally fell in the 20th century when the Nicholas Tsar was executed by the commoners or Bolsheviks,marking the rise of communism.

and this word "king" i thought it was just one of the many names for it emperor,monarch,sultan,rajah,tsar,caliph,maharajah,shah.there were kings everywhere,in every culture,every civilisation,in fact i cant think of any civilisation that was truly democratic besides the greeks?and the romans for a brief period of time.in fact people still believe in kings dont they,with one as recent as 2015 named LKY.

even if the Kings werent powerful either politically or militarily or economically during periods of history,power was still held in the hands of warlords or different nobles and "houses".

and yes i am confused,what is the relationship between "feudalism" and "monarchies" and the progressiveness and superiority of a culture/civilisation?

Look at the countries that remain largely intact. China no feudalism, Japan got feudalism, Turkey no feudalism, Russia yes feudalism.

Peasants are tied to the land, craftsmen to their crafts and nobles to lordly duties. One's place in society require fulfilling these duties well, and as such it sometimes goes beyond worldly compensation. Have you ever wanted to be the very best dungsman like no one ever was? In Japan such dedication is admired even though nobody actually wants to swap places with the dungsman.

So you see, quality and pride in your duties does not come from progressiveness. A common fallacy. :rolleyes: It stems from conservatism and that is why Singapore's progressive money grubbing Mandarin class is doomed to lead the country to mediocrity.
 

borom

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Chinese laptops?lenovo is a powerhouse ............

sorry I'm no computer expert and have never used Lenovo but when I visit Lenovo website, all its computers/tablets seems to be using Intel Processor /Graphics and Windows/Android OS.
Are Intel/Windows/Android of Chinese origin?
No mention as to whether Lenovo computer's Touchscreen, SS Drive and camera based on 3rd party or in-house Chinese origin technology.

Maybe you can elaborate how much of Lenovo's computer is based on Chinese technology

If I'm not wrong, Lenovo became well known only after it acquired IBM's personal computer business in 2005 .
 
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Seee3

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Just to share what I was told by friends. Do not believe what Japs declare officially. He was explaining how Jap has successfully contolled its inflation. He has been working in Jap since late 70s. However, till today, the cost of living is still about the same. I spent some times there in the 80s. But now when I visit as a tourist, the cost seems to remain the same. This friend waa explaining how they learnt the lessons of inflation in the 90 and would not let it happen again. So officially, they claimed to be trying to increase inflation but they have actually implementing domestic policies to curb inflation. Sorry couldn't elaborate further as he was talking to a big group and I wasn't interested then.
 
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