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Serious It's Official! CECA Creates Good Jobs For Sinkies! PAP Rebuts PSP Lies! Oppie Bock Really Lose Face Today!

JohnTan

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Oppie "Not Anyone's MP" Leong squirms like a cockroach when his lies gets exposed! Go Ye Kung go!

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Ong asks two questions of PSP members
Ong went next, and asked the PSP members if they agreed with the following two statements:

The FTAs, including CECA, are fundamental to Singapore's economic survival.

CECA does not allow a free flow of Indian PMEs into Singapore. This is a falsehood and a gross misunderstanding of the agreement.


He added that if they agree to the above-mentioned statements, he believes that they will have a "meaningful debate" when they table the motion.

Need further debate and study on CECA: Leong
Leong did not give definitive answers to Ong's questions, and said that it required further "debate" and "study".

But he added that he and Poa are "for FTAs" and accepted that jobs and livelihoods are not being used as "bargaining chips", and they were reassured that Singaporeans' interests are being taken care of.

However, he maintained that he needs more time to study the numbers provided about CECA before deciding whether it's beneficial for the country.

At least some common ground established: Ong
Ong then said that at least some common ground has been established, and that PSP agrees that FTAs are inclusive and fundamental to Singapore's economic survival.

Second, he said that PSP at least agreed that the net movement of natural persons in CECA is not used as a bargaining chip, and that there is no "free-flow" of Indian professionals into Singapore.

He said these two points represented good common ground, but that it must mean that PSP must take back their allegations that CECA has led to an unfettered flow of Indian professionals into Singapore.

Regrettable, but must accept their feelings: Ong
Leong again said that he is not sure whether CECA has contributed to an influx of foreign talent into Singapore, and PSP doesn't agree at this stage that CECA is beneficial to Singapore.

After this, Ong said that he thinks that he is "waffling" and that it is "quite hard to catch", thus concluded that Leong is not going to withdraw his allegations on CECA.

He added that it is regrettable if Leong continues with his allegations, because "generations of FTA negotiators [have] worked very hard to make sure our interests are all protected".

Ong said this is not a backdoor, and not a method for unfettered access, and added, "I take it that this is PSP's position, notwithstanding hearing all our explanation. This is most regrettable but we will have to accept how they feel."

https://mothership.sg/2021/07/after...ment-was-not-used-as-bargaining-chip-in-ceca/
 

tanwahtiu

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Ong asks two questions of PSP members
Ong went next, and asked the PSP members if they agreed with the following two statements:

The FTAs, including CECA, are fundamental to Singapore's economic survival.

CECA does not allow a free flow of Indian PMEs into Singapore. This is a falsehood and a gross misunderstanding of the agreement.


He added that if they agree to the above-mentioned statements, he believes that they will have a "meaningful debate" when they table the motion.

Need further debate and study on CECA: Leong
Leong did not give definitive answers to Ong's questions, and said that it required further "debate" and "study".

But he added that he and Poa are "for FTAs" and accepted that jobs and livelihoods are not being used as "bargaining chips", and they were reassured that Singaporeans' interests are being taken care of.

However, he maintained that he needs more time to study the numbers provided about CECA before deciding whether it's beneficial for the country.

At least some common ground established: Ong
Ong then said that at least some common ground has been established, and that PSP agrees that FTAs are inclusive and fundamental to Singapore's economic survival.

Second, he said that PSP at least agreed that the net movement of natural persons in CECA is not used as a bargaining chip, and that there is no "free-flow" of Indian professionals into Singapore.

He said these two points represented good common ground, but that it must mean that PSP must take back their allegations that CECA has led to an unfettered flow of Indian professionals into Singapore.

Regrettable, but must accept their feelings: Ong
Leong again said that he is not sure whether CECA has contributed to an influx of foreign talent into Singapore, and PSP doesn't agree at this stage that CECA is beneficial to Singapore.

After this, Ong said that he thinks that he is "waffling" and that it is "quite hard to catch", thus concluded that Leong is not going to withdraw his allegations on CECA.

He added that it is regrettable if Leong continues with his allegations, because "generations of FTA negotiators [have] worked very hard to make sure our interests are all protected".

Ong said this is not a backdoor, and not a method for unfettered access, and added, "I take it that this is PSP's position, notwithstanding hearing all our explanation. This is most regrettable but we will have to accept how they feel."

https://mothership.sg/2021/07/after...ment-was-not-used-as-bargaining-chip-in-ceca/
Come off it Tannie.

This CECA started in 2003 after the dotcom crash.

What happened at this time was clearly Microsoft arshole screwed up their Window 2000, Windows Me software full of shits that failed miserably.

MS hired 3,000 ahneh developers which screwed up their MS Windows 2000 and ME.

From there onwards India syndicated groups steal MS administration jobs all over the world. That MSCSE, Microsoft Certificate System Engineer jobs were stolen by Indian ahneh world wide.

This are the fact history written in stone.

What happened at the same time was baby boomers investing in investment properties. This was made possible of banking property loan break up where baby boomers were encourage to buy residential investment properties to take care of their retirement, passive income.

Heard of LOC and LVR, borrowing capacity?

With these 2 happening the worldwide economy boomed for next 20 years till now.

Residential properties need tenants, plenty of tenants, and where to find millions of locals to rent millions of investment property units built.

The only source for tenants must come from overseas foreigners and CECA was drafted to allow free flow of fake degrees ahnehs to come work in Singapore to take up tenants position for the rent seeking economy.

What fuck is this FT create jobs.. fuck you and yr PAP...

FT creates tenant occupants for the rent seeking economy. That's about it....

Furthermore, after the dotcom crash, new coding JavaScript was invented with html5 and the internet economy boom boom boom. That where India fake degree surged to steal and grab these jobs,

and your PAP let fake degrees ahneh in on the learn as u earn program to take up these valued PMET jobs and take up tenancy occupants of the residential investment property, boom boom boom.

There are books written of what happen after dotcom crash and the baby boomers urge in investing residential properties, boom economy. Go read them.

What's that FTs create jobs for Singapore, fuck you John. Yes, FTs created gate guards more taxi drivers, cleaners for Singaporeans to serve these cheats, theives fake degree ahnehs, from zero to heroes to Superstar IT, nursing and bankers workers as tenants of condo type investment properties...... all at the expense of the rent seeking economy....

You and PAP Loong can go fuck yrslf...
 
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was ah Leong allowed his rebuttal?

FTAs, CECA have not affected immigration authorities' power to regulate entry of foreign PMETs into Singapore under such agreements: Ong Ye Kung - The Online Citizen Asia​

The Free Trade Agreements (FTA) and the India-Singapore Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA) have not curtailed the power of immigration authorities to regulate the entry of foreign professionals, managers, executives, and technicians (PMETs) into Singapore under such agreements, said Health Minister Ong Ye Kung.
Delivering his ministerial statement on the issues of FTAs and CECA in the context of his background as a former trade negotiator in the civil service, Mr Ong said that the Government “retains full rights” to determine who can enter, live, work, and obtain permanent resident status in Singapore.
Mr Ong’s statement was made in response to several Members of Parliament (MPs), particularly the Non-constituency Member of Parliaments (NCMPs) from Progress Singapore Party (PSP), who had filed Parliamentary questions on the two subjects for Monday and Tuesday’s session.
He dismissed PSP’s claim that the 127 categories of professionals listed in CECA allow Indian nationals to flock to Singapore to work freely, saying that all foreign PMETs have to meet all of the relevant criteria set by the government to enter for employment purposes.
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Further, allowing foreign PMETs to apply does not indicate automatic approval by the Singapore authorities.
Anti-FTA and anti-CECA sentiments, Mr Ong said, are “seductively simplistic”, as to attack FTAs is to undermine the fundamentals of Singapore’s existence as a trade-dependent nation and the way its citizens earn a living.
Singapore’s 26 FTAs with nations such as the United States, China, European Union countries, Japan, South Korea, and New Zealand are a “keystone” of the Republic’s “economic superstructure”, said Mr Ong.
The nation’s decision to ink such agreements as far back as the late-1990s was a thoroughly considered one, and one that has given Singapore an “early mover advantage”.
FTAs, said Mr Ong, has enabled the Economic Development Board to utilise such agreements to attract greater foreign investment into Singapore.
Singapore’s reliance on trade and related agreements, the Minister stressed, is a question of survival, given the city-state’s small size and lack of natural resources.
Its geographical location and positionality must thus be worked to its advantage, he said.
Mr Ong noted how Singapore’s homegrown small and medium enterprises (SMEs) thrive through the export of their products overseas, from foodstuff such as barbeque pork and frozen roti prata, to medical devices and machines.
Subsequently, when such SMEs grow, more jobs will be created for Singaporeans, he said.
The presence of foreign PMETs, said Mr Ong, cushions the negative impact on the local workforce during an economic downturn, other than becoming a complementary segment of Singapore’s manpower landscape.
Local employment, he added, has been stable. Additionally, Singaporeans workers have access to government subsidies and financial assistance such as the Jobs Support Scheme which their foreign counterparts are not eligible for, said Mr Ong.
Acknowledging that certain sectors have a high concentration of PMETs of certain countries of origin, such as Indian national tech professionals in Changi Business Park, Mr Ong said that the government is “taking this seriously and seeing what we can do to lessen the problem”.
However, he stressed that it is not a straightforward matter of axing their companies’ operations, fearing that such a move would drive away current and potential future foreign investments.
While the People’s Action Party (PAP) “always fight for the welfare of Singaporeans”, Mr Ong stressed that as a “city-state connected to the world”, Singapore would want to “welcome diverse talents” who can respect our norms and culture.
“Try durian, try sambal belacan, speak a few phrases of Singlish,” he said.

Ministerial statements cannot be considered a debate on CECA: Leong Mun Wai​

Earlier, PSP NCMP Leong Mun Wai on 5 July said that MPs will need time to process content and information revealed through such ministerial statements.
Even when Mr Ong had indicated that the ministerial statements will be opened for debate immediately after they have been delivered, Mr Leong noted that MPs can only speak once for 20 minutes and ask for clarification if called upon to do so by the Speaker.
“In contrast, a Private Member’s Motion tabled by a parliamentarian will give him (or her) time to set out his case, since the mover of the Motion is allocated 40 minutes to speak both at the start and the end of the debate.
“In between, members will have a chance to rise to speak for or against the motion, and there will be chances to respond and clarify. Such a format will allow for a more substantive and informative debate,” he said.
A separate debate, Mr Leong added, would also create room for MPs to discuss FPP and FTA issues “on a broader scale”.
“The recent World Values Survey conducted by the Institute of Policy Studies (IPS) found that more than half of the people surveyed were worried about losing or not finding a job. If our FPP/FTA strategy was that effective, then why are our people so worried about their employment prospects? These worries cannot just be attributed to the COVID-19 pandemic alone,” he stressed.
Referencing the motion PSP intends to table in a future parliamentary sitting, Mr Leong stated that the party will “decide on the timing to file the motion after receiving the relevant data from the government”.
“The actual date of the debate will depend on other schedules of Parliament as well as the decision of the Speaker,” he remarked.

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tanwahtiu

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CECA does not allow a free flow of Indian PMEs into Singapore. This is a falsehood and a gross misunderstanding of the agreement.

If the above is true, why did DMP Tharman at a Forum in New Delhi said

Wrong to have total free flow of people: DPM Tharman

It's not just wrong politics but also wrong economics, DPM says at a forum in New Delhi


https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/wrong-to-have-total-free-flow-of-people-tharman
Too late. Getting a ahneh to speak for Indian is like yr cock to smash you own head.
 

Loofydralb

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If it wasn't true, they would have POFMAed it.

So its true CECA turning Sinkies into lowly paid coolies. Or the modern day version of slaves.
 

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Shows how detached these ministers are with the people and ground sentiments, said netizens.


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Singapore — Following the Parliamentary speech by Ong Ye Kung and Tan See Leng on Tuesday (Jul 6), netizens criticized them for being “detached” from the people and ground sentiments.

In an attempt to clarify claims made by the Progress Singapore Party (PSP), Health Minister Ong Ye Kung said in Parliament on Tuesday (Jul 6) that “our FTAs in general and CECA in particular are not the causes of the challenges our PMEs face; if anything, they are part of the solution”.

Singapore’s ability to impose requirements for immigration and work passes “has never been in question” in CECA or any other free trade agreements (FTAs) that the country has signed, Mr Ong added.

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He said that the PSP has “repeated for too long” about CECA. He said that FTAs and CECA have been made political scapegoats to discredit the policy of the PAP Government.

Netizens slammed the minister for his speech and added that it “shows how detached these ministers are with the people and ground sentiments”.


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Others also wondered why the Health Minister was answering questions about employment and the population.


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The Minister refuted allegations that the inflow of Indian professionals has cost Singaporeans their jobs.


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Singapore — In Parliament on Tuesday (Jul 6), Health Minister and former trade negotiator Ong Ye Kung sought to clarify the role free trade agreements (FTA), especially the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA), play in Singapore.

However, during the course of his speech, Mr Ong took aim at the Progress Singapore Party (PSP) several times, saying that the PSP has used FTAs as “political scapegoats” to discredit the People’s Action Party government.

The Minister refuted allegations that the inflow of Indian professionals has cost Singaporeans their jobs.

”This is a seductively simplistic argument that workers facing challenges at their workplaces can identify with, and has stirred up a lot of emotions. CECA-themed websites have sprouted, filled with disturbing xenophobic views about Indian immigrants,” Mr Ong said.

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But FTAs, and CECA in particular, “are part of the solution.”

”Our FTAs in general, and CECA in particular, are not the cause of the challenges our PMEs face; if anything, they are part of the solution.”

He added that it is the country’s “network of FTAs” that makes it a “major selling point” for investors.

Moreover, Mr Ong said that had it not been for FTAs, the welfare of Singaporeans could not have advanced in the way it did, and added that because of CECA, Singapore was given a “strategic first-mover advantage” as India was transforming into an economic power.

He also said in his speech that Singapore needs to welcome all sorts of talent from different countries around the globe, and that when Singaporeans go to live and work overseas, it is expected that they are hospitably welcomed by their host countries as well.

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Mr Ong’s speech was followed by Manpower Minister Tan See Leng, who discussed workforce numbers and employment rates.

Dr Tan said that the number of Employment Passes (EPs) handed out to foreign professionals increased by about 112,000 from 2005 to 2020, while in the same period, the number of local professionals, managers and executives (PMEs) grew by over 380,000.

This was to answer questions raised by PSP Non-Constituency MPs Leong Mun Wai and Hazel Poa, who asked whether the increase in EP holders has been at the expense of local PMEs.

Dr Tan added that the unemployment rate for Singapore citizens has hovered around 3 per cent over the last decade.

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The Manpower Minister also aid that foreign workers are still needed to complement the local workforce in the finance and infocomm sectors.

“The misconception is that if we say ‘no’ to the foreigners coming in… these jobs they would have taken would therefore all go to Singaporeans… Today, even as we speak, we still have about 22,000 PME jobs that are not filled. Companies are desperate to fill these jobs. They would love to take in Singaporeans if they could, because Singaporeans are more productive,” he said.
Toward the end of his speech, the Manpower Minister underlined the aim of the Government to give Singaporeans better jobs and a higher standard of living, a world-class education system, and to remove discriminatory practices, all of which would ensure that Singaporeans would be protected.

Dr Tan asked all stakeholders to work together to create “win-win” outcomes for everyone.

“And I hope members of all parties take their responsibility as representatives of the people seriously and work towards constructive solutions, and avoid exploiting divisive fault lines,” he said, adding, ”We are at a critical inflexion point in our economic development. The pandemic has caused significant economic damage the world over. We face many challenges in the post-pandemic era, but there are also abundant opportunities if we play our cards right.” /TISG

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Moreover, Mr Ong said that had it not been for FTAs, the welfare of Singaporeans could not have advanced in the way it did, and added that because of CECA, Singapore was given a “strategic first-mover advantage” as India was transforming into an economic power.

Instead of apologizing, fucker Ong wants chao Sinkies to thank the foreign trash! The sheer audacity!
 

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Mr Ong noted how Singapore’s homegrown small and medium enterprises (SMEs) thrive through the export of their products overseas, from foodstuff such as barbeque pork and frozen roti prata, to medical devices and machines.
Subsequently, when such SMEs grow, more jobs will be created for Singaporeans, he said.
Many of these SMEs are also owned by the CECA Kelings turned PRs. When their businesses thrive, they tend to bring in and employ their village kakis from India to help them out.
 
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knowwhatyouwantinlife

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Dont understand what this show is about.. more u publish about something the more facts gets leaked out the facts gets twisted on the social media and more twisted facts get released ...I would be very apprehensive if I was a foreigner working here...and I also dont understand sgreans mentality...if now I am an American mnc and investing in sg of course I will bring Americans into my sg branch...just like the forumers here who come back to sg from us to eat hawker food when I go us of course I don't eat sg food ma...
 

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The FTAs, including CECA, are fundamental to Singapore's economic survival.

Liddat why donch we apply to be the 29th state of the Republic of India to guarantee our economic survival.....
 

CPTMiller

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Never ending hearing CECA and FT come in create good jobs for Singaporean.
I really dont understand how?
Can anyone give real good real example eg company name position created??
 

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Singapore Defends Foreign Labor as Opposition Seeks Limits
6 July 2021, 14:43 GMT+8
Updated on 6 July 2021, 17:59 GMT+8
Ministers speak on the importance of FTAs and foreign workers
Ruling party’s policies have drawn fire from the opposition
Top Singapore ministers defended the government’s free trade agreements and openness to foreign professionals amid criticism from political opponents that increased job competition -- particularly from India -- has made it harder for locals to find work.

Free trade agreements are a keystone for the economy and responsible for creating hundreds of thousands of jobs, Health Minister Ong Ye Kung said in an address in parliament on Tuesday. Speaking in his capacity as a former trade negotiator, Ong further reiterated the need to maintain a balance of foreign workers in Singapore even as the opposition has called for measures that favor citizens.

“We need to be careful that these valid concerns are not exploited by political groups, and intentionally or not, end up sowing division, stoking fear, fanning hatred,” Ong said. “We must not inadvertently shake the bedrock that has enabled Singapore to succeed. We cannot survive – we cannot earn a living – without being connected to the world, without being welcoming to the world.”

While the debate in Singapore over the reliance on foreign labor is a perennial one, the issue has sharpened politically as the city-state emerges from the pandemic. The need to bring in labor and stay globally competitive as business activities resume has clashed with concerns over local employment and tighter borders to stem the virus. The government, long led by the People’s Action Party, has consistently reiterated the need for the country to remain open to international talent, while stressing it has worked hard to retain and grow jobs for its citizens.

Opposition politician Leong Mun Wai, of the Progress Singapore Party, in a Facebook post last month called for a “rebalancing” of the job market through measures such as the “recouping of tens of thousands of jobs from work pass holders through tighter enforcement of our employment rules.” In parliament on Tuesday, Leong, together with other politicians sparred on topics ranging from the necessity of these trade pacts to Singaporeans being displaced in their jobs.

“What we are driving at is not abolishing things,” Leong, who’s an ex-banker, said. There must be a policy recognition of whether the country’s foreign talent policy “was on the right track or not,” he said.

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Free Trade Agreements, Visa Trends
In his speech, Ong highlighted that nothing in a free trade agreement with India, known as the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement, implied that Singapore must unconditionally allow professionals, managers and executives from India to enter the country. Singapore maintains 26 foreign trade agreements, including with the U.S, China, EU, Japan and ASEAN.

The growth in foreign professionals in Singapore has expanded in tandem with the local workforce. The number of employment pass holders, which are issued for higher-skilled roles that pay at least S$4,500 ($3,360) a month, rose from 65,000 in 2005 to 177,000 in 2020. At the same time, the increase in number of local professionals, managers and executives “is much higher,” Ong said, growing by over 380,000 over the same period.

“These numbers underline an important point: that competition between foreign and local PMEs is not a zero-sum game,” he said.

Moreover, foreign professionals “also help cushion the impact on the local workforce when times are bad,” Ong said, adding that “foreigners bear the brunt of job losses” during a downturn. During the pandemic for the 12 months to April this year, the number of employment pass holders dropped by about 21,600, he said. Over the past year, the government has also raised the salary thresholds for foreign professionals as well as toughened the requirements for their dependents.

Last year’s total net job losses were the sharpest in more than two decades. Still, the loss came entirely on the side of non residents, while net employment of locals actually rose, according to Ministry of Manpower data.

Singapore Highs and Lows
Resident unemployment rate last year averaged highest since 2009

Source: Singapore Ministry of Manpower

Note: Data is seasonally adjusted. Residents include citizens and permanent residents

‘Golden Opportunity’
In a separate speech, manpower minister Tan See Leng also outlined the challenges in striking a balance between attracting foreign investments and nurturing local talent. He said the government is studying refinements to its visa policies, such that it doesn’t just rely on salary criteria as a gatekeeper to select talent. More details will be shared, he said.

In fast-growing sectors like technology, there isn’t enough locals to fill the jobs available and there are 6,000 jobs in the infocomm sector alone that remain vacant, he said. The rise in employment pass holders from India, which last year made up about a quarter of all pass holders from 13% in 2005, is driven by factors such as the expansion of the digital sector and outward mobility of Indians.

While both ministers acknowledged the social tensions and anxiety that arise from having more foreigners, Tan said the country is at a critical point, where there are opportunities if it plays its cards right. Businesses are seeking to invest more in Singapore, but only if they can get foreign workers to supplement the local workforce.

“This is a golden opportunity for Singapore to pull ahead,” he said. “But if we turn protectionist and we make it difficult for companies to hire talent from around the world – then we will lose this opportunity.”

— With assistance by Derek Wallbank, and Michael Arnold

(Updates with more comments from ministers and opposition throughout.)
 

millim6868

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No free flow ,how many come here with fake experience n qualification, some came with fakes enrol in cheap course n became certified as real cert,how many are there here ,lastest case Rames, how are they to explain these?
 
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