IS high $ COE going to indirectly cause massive jam all over the island?

[ykhuser]

in the past, people scarped your cars in less than 5 years.
now people extend to max 10 years

those in the past used their car for 10 years will now extend their usage to 15 years

every now and then i am hearing on the radio there are cars break down at certain highway.
Is massive breakdown after effect going to be seen on the roads in the next 5 years?


1) high $ COE enhance emas recovery business
2) many car dealer is going to lose business due to lesser and lesser COE being issued.
3) more executive is going to be late for work due to many more frequent breakdown on many roads.economy is going to be impact 1 way or another
4) life saving is indirectly being impact as ambulance crawl through the jam

breakdown on road is no better than accident on road, as it will hog up entire lane

is there a study to find out if recent car breakdown likely more than 5 years old?
i seldom see new cars breakdown on roads, small problem yes

 

[Brubeck]

My humble opinion is: this is the fault of the previous Minister Raymond something. During his tour of duty, the COE became almost zero. Plus very low car loan interest rates at that time. Car sales volume surged tremendously. They were even selling cars at Geylang Serai pasar malam.

 

[eErotica69]

Scrap COE and implement "pay as you travel"via GPS.

 

[songsongpunggol]

In angmo countries cars with 20 years still can drive.

Dun waste earth precious resources lah.

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

Scrap COE and implement "pay as you travel"via GPS.

Like that carpark not enough liao.

 

[ykhuser]

In angmo countries cars with 20 years still can drive.

Dun waste earth precious resources lah.

only prob is singapore too tiny.
every lane is occupied to the max.any 1 lane disruption will effect another lane as drivers try to filter out to unaffected lane.the unaffected lane being jam and slow will cause drivers to further filter to the overtaking lane.drivers in 1st lane affected also as more drivers filter.then love ones in ambulance die before reaching hospital

 

[ykhuser]

Scrap COE and implement "pay as you travel"via GPS.

like that technican earning $1800 see car so cheap also buy car.end up problems
not enough carpark

 

[peppertail]

in the past, people scarped your cars in less than 5 years.
now people extend to max 10 years

those in the past used their car for 10 years will now extend their usage to 15 years

every now and then i am hearing on the radio there are cars break down at certain highway.
Is massive breakdown after effect going to be seen on the roads in the next 5 years?


1) high $ COE enhance emas recovery business
2) many car dealer is going to lose business due to lesser and lesser COE being issued.
3) more executive is going to be late for work due to many more frequent breakdown on many roads.economy is going to be impact 1 way or another
4) life saving is indirectly being impact as ambulance crawl through the jam

breakdown on road is no better than accident on road, as it will hog up entire lane

is there a study to find out if recent car breakdown likely more than 5 years old?
i seldom see new cars breakdown on roads, small problem yes

This is how it works (from Wikipedia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Entitlement

Historical record

From May 1990 to May 2009, the vehicle growth rate has been set at 3.0% per annum before reducing to 1.5% per annum.

From April 2010, the COE quota calculation was amended. Under the new methodology, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) recycles the COE quota from the actual vehicle deregistrations in the most recent six-month period back into the system. Instead of an annual quota, figures will be revised every six months. For example, there are 800,000 vehicles as of January. Based on the allowable growth rate of 1.5 percent, there will be an additional 6000 COEs for sale every six months. On top of the number of vehicles deregistered in the same period (for example, 20,000) this means the COE quota for July to December will be 26,000.

In early October 2011, Singapore Minister for Transport Lui Tuck Yew has said that Singapore's annual vehicle growth cap would be cut further from 2012. The annual vehicle population growth rate will be lowered from the current 1.5% to 1.0% in 2012, and then to 0.5% in 2013 and 2014.

For 2012, the current 1.5% p.a. growth rate will be maintained for the first half of the quota year (February 2012 to July 2012), followed by 0.5% p.a. growth rate for the remaining half of the quota year (August 2012 to January 2013). The lower vehicle growth rate will be more closely aligned to the pace of road growth going forward. However, in May 2012, Lui Tuck Yew did an about turn and said that more COE may be released and the plans to cut car growth would be delayed.

So, in the end it comes dow to the growth rate set by the government. The chaos we have on the roads right now is because the infrastructure did not grow as fast as the vehicle population. Pretty sure it will take some time to catch up. Rough times ahead.

 

[kaypoh]

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Just a side track, bro, what is the meaning of your signature? Me kaypoh lah. :p

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[peppertail]

Just a side track, bro, what is the meaning of your signature? Me kaypoh lah. :p

Dont mind i answer for him : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Warren_Brubeck

 

[peppertail]

Back on topic: http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/fit-...s-small-cars-drop-nearly-9-000-095134364.html

Certificate of entitlement (COE) prices for small cars plunged nearly S$9,000 in the latest bidding exercise.

COE for cars up to 1,600cc ended at $78,301, down from $87,109 a fortnight ago.

The sharp drop could be due to speculation that COEs may be tweaked following the Parliament debate earlier this month, when Transport Minister of State Josephine Teo debated the issue of rising COEs.

At the time, while she dismissed the idea of a special COE for first-time buyers, she said the government is open to reviewing the COE categorisation system so that it's not based on engine capacity.

COE for cars above 1,600cc however remained steady and finished at $92,667, a few hundred dollars lower than the previous mark of $92,901.

Commercial vehicle COEs also closed lower, dropping from $54,989 to close at an 11-month low of $53,489.

Motorcycle COEs fell from $1,782 to $1,512.

Disappointing to see them bow to public pressure. Guess the chaos on the roads can only get worse. Time to invest in a better bicycle.

 

[ykhuser]

[QUOTE
The chaos we have on the roads right now is because the infrastructure did not grow as fast as the vehicle population. Pretty sure it will take some time to catch up. Rough times ahead.[/QUOTE]

problem is where to grow the infrastructure ?
1)more tunnel expressway?
2)more reclaim land?
3)close down all golf?
4)rental 10km sq from johor?
5)IS it possible to build double decker expressway?
6)build highway spanning across the sea

lee already said it took 20min to travel from 1 end to the other end of the island.can imagine how tiny our dot

best is faster build the mrt to kl. then 10% of the population will visit kl.less crowered in red dot

red dot now got 6.9 million(include tourists ma)

 

[Brubeck]

Just a side track, bro, what is the meaning of your signature? Me kaypoh lah. :p

Dont mind i answer for him : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Warren_Brubeck

Thanks peppertail.

That's correct. In memory of a jazz great, Dave Brubeck.

 

[HTOLAS]

In many developed countries with good transit systems, car ownership is common but driving to work in the city is not. This is mainly because parking in the city is exorbitant, e.g. $20/- per hour in some parts of Sydney. But it is also because people realize being stuck in massive jams is not worth it.

With the COE system and high COE prices, owning a car and not driving it to work does not make sense anymore. When your car depreciates by as much as $10k per year, you would not want to leave it unused. This, I believe, contributes significantly to the number of cars on the road. So, once again, a system that the control freak PAPzis thought would leave our roads free-flowing have backfired, like so many of their other policies.

 

[singveld]

No, because there are more and more korean car in singapore. So you should expect more break down.

 

[peppertail]

problem is where to grow the infrastructure ?
1)more tunnel expressway?
2)more reclaim land?
3)close down all golf?
4)rental 10km sq from johor?
5)IS it possible to build double decker expressway?
6)build highway spanning across the sea

lee already said it took 20min to travel from 1 end to the other end of the island.can imagine how tiny our dot

best is faster build the mrt to kl. then 10% of the population will visit kl.less crowered in red dot

red dot now got 6.9 million(include tourists ma)

Infrastructure includes all forms of transport and associated amneties. Ultimately the goal should be to make people switch from cars to other modes.

Take for example the rail corridor. A beautiful 25km long green strip cutting right through the middle of Singapore. Put a simple uninterrupted cycling path on that, have a changing room and showers near the office and i am sure there will be hundreds of people gladly leaving their cars at home and take the bicycle to work.

Same story with the PCN. 300+km of safe cycling tracks in the making. Land has been there all along, it just hasnt been used effeciently so far.

 

[ykhuser]

Infrastructure includes all forms of transport and associated amneties. Ultimately the goal should be to make people switch from cars to other modes.

Take for example the rail corridor. A beautiful 25km long green strip cutting right through the middle of Singapore. Put a simple uninterrupted cycling path on that, have a changing room and showers near the office and i am sure there will be hundreds of people gladly leaving their cars at home and take the bicycle to work.

Same story with the PCN. 300+km of safe cycling tracks in the making. Land has been there all along, it just hasnt been used effeciently so far.

pcn i only see ghost use.
at the end of the day, sinagporean still want to own a car.
can bus goes to
mount faber?
keppel bay island?
labrador park?
lim chu kang goat farm?
raffle marina?

going out without cars mean you need to stick to last bus sechulde.
taxi might end up $30

 

[peppertail]

pcn i only see ghost use.
at the end of the day, sinagporean still want to own a car.
can bus goes to
mount faber?
keppel bay island?
labrador park?
lim chu kang goat farm?

Bus cannot, bicycle can! :P

 

[ykhuser]

Bus cannot, bicycle can! :P

hmm.how to bring the bicycle from tampines to lim chu kang

 

[peppertail]

hmm.how to bring the bicycle from tampines to lim chu kang

There you go: http://goo.gl/maps/O1IHl or take taxi.

Of course cars are more convenient at times, same as helicopters are more convenient then cars. If you prefer a car by all means drive it, but dont complain about traffic jams, expensive fuel, breakdowns, pollution, no parking space and COE's at the same time