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[TD="class: msgtxt"][h=2]Local SG Indian: Foreign Indians will never want to integrate with us[/h]
July 29th, 2011 |
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In laymen terms, the Indian Foreign Talents rushing into Singapore to settle down bring their caste system, ethnic and religious bias-ness with them. They can never integrate with our local Singaporean Indians. Let’s review rationally:
1. They like to congregate and mix with their own – evident from enclaves in East Coast, Punggol, Senkang, Simei, Yishun and more. Most of them are divided by their respective state lingual: Malaylam, Tamil, Hindi, Marathi and Telugu/Karnada. Most of the Indian elites and FTs are Hindi speaking, with Malayalam and Telugu next and Tamil last.
2. They brought with them strong caste and ethnic values as well as ethnic divisions as these are in-built and cultivated in them from young and by segregated communities in India. Recently, a FT group tried to petition and lobby to add Hindi as the main Singaporean Indian language as opposed to our Tamil language, which is one of our four main native languages in Singapore.
3. Having a Singapore PR or IC means nothing to integration nor will it change their views. Such Indian ethnic segregation exists in UK, US, Canada and other places these Indian FTs have emigrated to or worked in. I have lived and seen the same old Indian disunity and division by castes, languages, cultures or religions within these Indian communities.
4. But they are good in banding together within their own and to work on collective agenda and movements as seen in Singapore neighborhoods where they have even expanded into many RCs, community clubs and PAP volunteer groups to safeguard their interests and objectives so as to raise their cause successfully.
5. I can only speak from my area in Punggol where they have ballooned into various Indian ethnic enclaves and groups. Even children playgrounds are evident by such divisions and groupings. Singaporean (Chinese, Malay, local Indian and Eurasian) families have stopped using the playgrounds in Punggol where majority of Indian FT children congregate to play as it’s too much for the Singaporean families to handle because of the large number of kids at the playgrounds. Even the next biggest foreign group of Filipinos pales in numbers compared to the number of Indian FTs in the Punggol/Seng Kang neighborhood.
6. They have formed groups to educate and assist their own kinds in buying HDB flats as well as addressing concerns like bringing families from India to Singapore (which is, of course, very easy based on PAP’s very loose and pro-FT policies).
7. Countries like Australia and Canada do not easily award citizenship and readily allow FTs to obtain professional jobs like nursing, doctors, lawyers etc. They have to sit through stringent tests and exams in order to qualify for such employment. Furthermore, they may have to work in stages before obtaining their licenses in such work. This is to protect the interests of local Australians and Canadians.
8. The Indian communities in Australia, as reported in the news, have in numerous occasions caused racial riots or been the cause of riots because of their ethnic-based baggage they carry from India into Australia. Their actions have caused anti-foreign Indian sentiments to increase in Australia, resulting in bloody clashes between local Aussies and these foreign Indians.
9. In Singapore, this same attitude from foreign Indians continues to harm our racial harmony which we have carefully nurtured over the years living together. The foreign Indians have stereotype views of our local Indians (mainly Tamil-speaking Singaporeans with Southern Indian roots) and local Malays (i.e, Muslim communities). They view them as low class, menial workers and on many occasions, ridicule our people or pass negative comments about us among the foreign Indians themselves. It’s not hard to notice if you know their dialects (they think that no Singaporean Indians will be able to understand their dialects).
10. The problem is that our government, in their hurry to fill the country with cheap foreign “talents”, has failed to prepare, educate or counsel these foreign Indians properly so as to enable them to live and work in Singapore harmoniously with rest of Singaporeans. They have to be taught to leave their caste baggage and divisional ethnic attitudes outside the shores of Singapore when they live and work here.
11. Our government is clueless about such complex ethnic divisions in India and among the foreign Indians brought in here. Our government simply brings them in at face value without understanding the existence of such a gap between foreign Indians and our locals as well as among foreign Indian themselves.
12. We are not xenophobic with hatred for foreign Indians as we are multi-racial Singaporeans ourselves. However, we do not like these biased, caste-based foreign Indians with divisional ethnic attitudes who come to our country acting the same like they are in India without attempting to change and adapt to our Singapore multi-racial values and system.
13. This problem is unique with foreign Indians vs other foreigners like Filipinos or PRCs as they don’t have such ethnic and caste baggage like the foreign Indians do.
14. There is no point for PM Lee and government to continuously making motherhood statements about social integration when these foreign Indians do not want to. And the worst thing is that they can be a risk to our racial and religion harmony especially if they are not counseled for their ethnic and caste mindset which is different from ours.
15. There are of course, some very good foreign Indians who have immersed in Singapore culture and abandoned their stereotype ethnic and caste mindset. They even try to get along well with our local Indians. They do exist but they are very few. Majority of them simply do not want to abandon their archaic mindset and integrate with us.
16. Many foreign Indians have openly said that Singapore is a temporary refuge for them. Their goal is to be able to emigrate to the West eventually as opportunities come. Most will not want their kids to enlist in our NS and will not hesitate to send them out of Singapore when they are nearer to enlistment age. This is despite them benefiting from the various programs like education, housing, baby bonus etc being a new citizen of Singapore.
So, please listen up, PAP government. There is a big problem trying to integrate foreign Indians into our Singapore society. There is nothing you can do when these people simply don’t want to integrate with us at all.
Balbir Singh
* This comment was first posted on the thread ‘Why S’porean Indians will never integrate with imported Indians’ ([URL]http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/07/21/why-sporean-indians-will-never-integrate-with-imported-indians/[/URL]).
http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/0...indians-will-never-want-to-integrate-with-us/
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[TD="class: msgtxt"][h=2]Local SG Indian: Foreign Indians will never want to integrate with us[/h]
1. They like to congregate and mix with their own – evident from enclaves in East Coast, Punggol, Senkang, Simei, Yishun and more. Most of them are divided by their respective state lingual: Malaylam, Tamil, Hindi, Marathi and Telugu/Karnada. Most of the Indian elites and FTs are Hindi speaking, with Malayalam and Telugu next and Tamil last.
2. They brought with them strong caste and ethnic values as well as ethnic divisions as these are in-built and cultivated in them from young and by segregated communities in India. Recently, a FT group tried to petition and lobby to add Hindi as the main Singaporean Indian language as opposed to our Tamil language, which is one of our four main native languages in Singapore.
3. Having a Singapore PR or IC means nothing to integration nor will it change their views. Such Indian ethnic segregation exists in UK, US, Canada and other places these Indian FTs have emigrated to or worked in. I have lived and seen the same old Indian disunity and division by castes, languages, cultures or religions within these Indian communities.
4. But they are good in banding together within their own and to work on collective agenda and movements as seen in Singapore neighborhoods where they have even expanded into many RCs, community clubs and PAP volunteer groups to safeguard their interests and objectives so as to raise their cause successfully.
5. I can only speak from my area in Punggol where they have ballooned into various Indian ethnic enclaves and groups. Even children playgrounds are evident by such divisions and groupings. Singaporean (Chinese, Malay, local Indian and Eurasian) families have stopped using the playgrounds in Punggol where majority of Indian FT children congregate to play as it’s too much for the Singaporean families to handle because of the large number of kids at the playgrounds. Even the next biggest foreign group of Filipinos pales in numbers compared to the number of Indian FTs in the Punggol/Seng Kang neighborhood.
6. They have formed groups to educate and assist their own kinds in buying HDB flats as well as addressing concerns like bringing families from India to Singapore (which is, of course, very easy based on PAP’s very loose and pro-FT policies).
7. Countries like Australia and Canada do not easily award citizenship and readily allow FTs to obtain professional jobs like nursing, doctors, lawyers etc. They have to sit through stringent tests and exams in order to qualify for such employment. Furthermore, they may have to work in stages before obtaining their licenses in such work. This is to protect the interests of local Australians and Canadians.
8. The Indian communities in Australia, as reported in the news, have in numerous occasions caused racial riots or been the cause of riots because of their ethnic-based baggage they carry from India into Australia. Their actions have caused anti-foreign Indian sentiments to increase in Australia, resulting in bloody clashes between local Aussies and these foreign Indians.
9. In Singapore, this same attitude from foreign Indians continues to harm our racial harmony which we have carefully nurtured over the years living together. The foreign Indians have stereotype views of our local Indians (mainly Tamil-speaking Singaporeans with Southern Indian roots) and local Malays (i.e, Muslim communities). They view them as low class, menial workers and on many occasions, ridicule our people or pass negative comments about us among the foreign Indians themselves. It’s not hard to notice if you know their dialects (they think that no Singaporean Indians will be able to understand their dialects).
10. The problem is that our government, in their hurry to fill the country with cheap foreign “talents”, has failed to prepare, educate or counsel these foreign Indians properly so as to enable them to live and work in Singapore harmoniously with rest of Singaporeans. They have to be taught to leave their caste baggage and divisional ethnic attitudes outside the shores of Singapore when they live and work here.
11. Our government is clueless about such complex ethnic divisions in India and among the foreign Indians brought in here. Our government simply brings them in at face value without understanding the existence of such a gap between foreign Indians and our locals as well as among foreign Indian themselves.
12. We are not xenophobic with hatred for foreign Indians as we are multi-racial Singaporeans ourselves. However, we do not like these biased, caste-based foreign Indians with divisional ethnic attitudes who come to our country acting the same like they are in India without attempting to change and adapt to our Singapore multi-racial values and system.
13. This problem is unique with foreign Indians vs other foreigners like Filipinos or PRCs as they don’t have such ethnic and caste baggage like the foreign Indians do.
14. There is no point for PM Lee and government to continuously making motherhood statements about social integration when these foreign Indians do not want to. And the worst thing is that they can be a risk to our racial and religion harmony especially if they are not counseled for their ethnic and caste mindset which is different from ours.
15. There are of course, some very good foreign Indians who have immersed in Singapore culture and abandoned their stereotype ethnic and caste mindset. They even try to get along well with our local Indians. They do exist but they are very few. Majority of them simply do not want to abandon their archaic mindset and integrate with us.
16. Many foreign Indians have openly said that Singapore is a temporary refuge for them. Their goal is to be able to emigrate to the West eventually as opportunities come. Most will not want their kids to enlist in our NS and will not hesitate to send them out of Singapore when they are nearer to enlistment age. This is despite them benefiting from the various programs like education, housing, baby bonus etc being a new citizen of Singapore.
So, please listen up, PAP government. There is a big problem trying to integrate foreign Indians into our Singapore society. There is nothing you can do when these people simply don’t want to integrate with us at all.
Balbir Singh
* This comment was first posted on the thread ‘Why S’porean Indians will never integrate with imported Indians’ ([URL]http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/07/21/why-sporean-indians-will-never-integrate-with-imported-indians/[/URL]).
http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/0...indians-will-never-want-to-integrate-with-us/
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