If War Is Not The Answer, Then What Is?

[Wildfire]

It is the majority that do not want a war but even so, war happens because the rulers of both parties decided to have one. If you say it is not "want" but a "need" for survival it surely depends on the situation when war is declared. To elaborate, let us look at the conflict between China, Japan and Philippines. Another scenario, between the 2 Koreas. Where is that "need" for survival in those situations?

That is exactly what I meant ... these countries are not at war! What's holding them back right now is the "need"! It has not
reach the point where they NEED to go in and seize the disputed territories yet!

When that time comes, there will be warzzzz.....

 

[jubilee1919]

There will never be a peaceful world unless the quintessential problem of economic -- how to allocate scarce resources amongst men with infinite desires -- can be solved.

If you strip away all the reasons people give for going to war, cut out all the rhetoric, at the very core of it all it is basically competition for resources. Some might also say, for security. But don't forget, the reason why countries feel their security threatened is because someone else is trying to get at their resources the militant way. So it all boils down to competition for resources as the root cause of all wars.

I do agree with erection2011, that man's coveteousness that rules in his heart that sets us apart from animals, is the cause of wars and as long as it is there, there never will be peace.

Competition for resources is not the only reason why there will always be conflicts. It is this inherent (I would call it wickedness) evil in us and a natural characteristics of mankind. I don't think we can ever remove it as it in our very being.

 

[Wildfire]

Brother Jubilee1919 ...

Interesting subject ...

but time to bed, got an early game tomorrow morning!:p

Cheers

 

[jubilee1919]

Brother Jubilee1919 ...

Interesting subject ...

but time to bed, got an early game tomorrow morning!:p

Cheers

I am very pensive tonight. Goodnight and have a good weekend.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Dunno.

For the kings and queens, as long as they're not affected, they don't give a shit. For the rest of the species, we only have hope.

Cheers!

 

[jubilee1919]

Dunno.

For the kings and queens, as long as they're not affected, they don't give a shit. For the rest of the species, we only have hope.

Cheers!

If we, as individuals know and have the conviction that war is not acceptable, what are the ways in which we can help to avert it? We all do not want a war, that is a given.

As a society and a nation of peoples that abhor wars and seek to prevent any outbreak that affects us, individually we have to do something about it. We have to spread to those whom we are in contact with and influence them that intolerance of the others' race, colour, religion and culture will only stoke the fires of hatred.

War expresses man's inhumanity to their own kind, their environment and the antithesis of humanism.

I leave this video of the recent Israeli bombardment of the Gaza Strip as a reminder to us the realities of war. They can be Muslims, terrorists and of a different race and cultures, but they are alos like us, humans and they do not want war.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Very interesting topic from TS. Imo, failure in foreign policies may or may not result in war but when war takes place, one of the reason has to be the failure in foreign policies. The consolation is, ''every war must end.' Read Fred Charles Ikle's book.

 

[scroobal]

TS

Do consider this - war is necessary to correct an significant error, an injustice or a quirk of history. If we shy away, the world may not be a better place. The vast majority will always avoid confrontation, the do-gooders, the tree-huggers and the neighbourhood peace activists take on fashionable themes to be popular and to be accepted. And the vast majority do have their share of the pie and see no reason to upset their good life. It is no different to not having the police looking after the weak and the meek without which the opportunists, the strong and the violent will have their way exploiting the masses.

If you look at war in the modern era, the majority was to fight evil. The Gulf wars are an excellent example.

Take New Zealand for example. It does not have any natural enemies because it is just too far. In fact they no longer have an air force with a strike capabilities. They offered their trained fighter pilots to OZ, UK and Canada when they closed their strike capability. But without fail they will send troops to any theater of war as part of being a world citizen. Something the entire country endorse without reservation. It does not mean they blindly follow the Americans but they do their part.

It pointless having peace and be proud of it while one part of world is being exploited, robbed of a future and the right to place on earth.

ps. I am not talking about perpetual war hawks like Cheney and his neocons.

 

[erection2015]

many wars are caused by countries thinking they can bully smaller ones.....they do it under the guise of other intentions. Think Japan WW2 and Indonesia during the Confrontasi period for examples closer to home. They employ lies and use the media or forums these days for their propoganda.
In the end they get their comeuppance.

 

[chuckyworld]

A valid question which I think is more important than the answer. Everyday we read and hear news about the ongoing conflicts around the world, the disagreements between neighbours and nations arming themselves to the teeth in the event a conflict will arise. Is there any hope for the survival of mankind for everlasting peace on earth? The burgeoning world population will soon reach the 10 billion mark in the next few years. Should this trend continue bearing in mind earth's limited resources which has been depleted severely?

In his book The Invention of Peace, the British military historian Sir Michael Howard suggests that peace is much more complicated and high-maintenance than war -- which may be why it breaks down all the time. "Peace is not a natural state of society," he writes, "any more than war is a natural state of society. Conflict is what is endemic and, if you like, is natural. There is only going to be peace if those conflicts can be managed and subsumed. That is what peacemaking is really all about."

Will a peaceful world be the answer?

Your contributions to this discussion is welcome.

Are war necessary?, just look around, why do peoples fight for terriorty right, religion or just greed and lust.

Look at history all above mention are there where war are concern, Do GWB need a an honest reason to go to war in Iraq?, on the pretext of WMD he goes to war with Iraq.

Men will always find a reason to go to war, it is nature instinct of the beast that is within each and everyone of us.......

 

[Wildfire]

If we, as individuals know and have the conviction that war is not acceptable, what are the ways in which we can help to avert it? We all do not want a war, that is a given.

As a society and a nation of peoples that abhor wars and seek to prevent any outbreak that affects us, individually we have to do something about it. We have to spread to those whom we are in contact with and influence them that intolerance of the others' race, colour, religion and culture will only stoke the fires of hatred.

We can all but hope, but the cards are stacked. History is a bath of blood!

Human evolution has been defined by conflict. War is embedded in our very nature, says E. O. Wilson.

I leave you with this words from William James in his 1906 antiwar essay "The Moral Equivalent of War"

"Modern man inherits all the innate pugnacity and all the love of glory of his ancestors.

Showing war’s irrationality and horror is of no effect on him. The horrors make the fascination.

War is the strong life; it is life in extremis;

War taxes are the only ones men never hesitate to pay, as the budgets of all nations show us.”

 

[jubilee1919]

Thank you to all for your insights which is food for thought. The consensus therefore concludes that war is a necessary evil and is inevitable.

 

[chuckyworld]

Thank you to all for your insights which is food for thought. The consensus therefore concludes that war is a necessary evil and is inevitable.

Can an honest man be evil? or can he do evil while being honest?....:p

 

[nirvarq]

Why think so far ? We fight among bros and sisters in a family. As long there are human being there are disagreements. Even between bros and sisters in a family even when we were kids. So the parents will have to police over them right ? But then even our fingers are not equal lengths so even parents are bias right ? Some kids are more loveable some are naughty all the time. Same in family same in a country. Same in the world.

As long as there are difference in opinion there will be disagreements. Same here in SBF. Only intelligence plus compassion may advert war and solve problems amicably. War don't solve problem, war cause destruction of properties, lives ..everything. Stupid to go to war in your own family, own country, own world.

We want effective possible course for stopping terrorism and war. Disagreeing with our government's proposed strategies isn't treason -- it's the highest form of citizenship in a participatory democracy. We're becoming activists on this issue because we love our country, as well as our community and the world. We will be proud to live in a country where we have rights, and the obligation, to speak out when our government is wrong. We're speaking out because we care. Unthinking obedience is the point at which our democracy will break down.

I am never for any ruling party. I am for my world, my country my family myself. I am for dialogue and ideas to better and improvement of life.

But not war, i will never never agree on war unless you start it first and i can't stop it. That's when i will fight, i will fight for survival and i will want to fight to win then.

Same old .. educate, engage, change the world for the better. I know what's the problem here. Everyone is saying why don't stand up and show our disagreement. I know.. but the moment you gather and protest you are branded as outlaws in this cuntry ... So you have to fight to change this law first. Understand ?! .. and war is not the answer. Everyday i hear you saying ..go stand up go protest , ball-less sinkies..


Bah.. boring. War is not the answer....


We had a solid opposition party.. we have some very highly educated patriot returning to engage our political scene. One guy gets sworn into parliament and because of some pregnansissygate got expelled. Huge damage had been caused.

And you're dreaming of Protest.. I'll go with you but how many can you gather ?! OK all the 40% plus the law is on the 60% side. You know the results !

You have to gather more votes first and crying for war will not get you that i promise

You have to have Oopa Gangdam style first, that means strong opp party then the people can vote for then there's a chance to say something that weighs. Then changes happen.



hehe.. anyway, good morning nice weekend :p

 

[Dreamer1]

We have to wait till World War 3 ,and the events of Trumpet #6.
Trumpet #6. When the devil’s popularity and control of Earth reach a sufficient level, he will tell his followers that everyone who refuses to recognize him as God must be annihilated. I call the events of Trumpet #6, World War III. During this time, God will allow the devil and his angels to kill one-third of the world’s population. (Revelation 9:15) The devil will establish a one world government and he will exalt himself as King of kings and Lord of lords. He will control all of the necessities of life and if a person wants to buy or sell items for survival, that person must become a member of the devil’s kingdom. To demonstrate citizenship in his one world government, the devil will force the inhabitants of Earth to receive a tattoo on their right hand. This tattoo will be the number "666." People who serve as officials in the kingdom of the devil will receive a tattoo on their foreheads to show their superior rank. The tattoo on the foreheads of the devil’s lieutenants will be the chosen name that the devil uses. (Revelation 13:17) The placement of a tattoo on the forehead of Satan’s lieutenants is a blatant counterfeit of what God intends to do for His faithful servants, the 144,000, after He takes them to Heaven. (See Revelation 14:1; 22:4.)

 

[jubilee1919]

Why think so far ?

Bah.. boring. War is not the answer....

hehe.. anyway, good morning nice weekend :p

Thank you for the message you have put across and points noted.

And you have a good weekend too.

 

[jubilee1919]

Can an honest man be evil? or can he do evil while being honest?....:p

Honestly, I think everyone does believe and have the conviction he is doing the right thing. Most good and honest people cannot live with themselves and sleep peacefully if they know deep down inside what they had done was wrong and evil. Only the evil ones can do that without any guilt.

 

[chuckyworld]

Honestly, I think everyone does believe and have the conviction he is doing the right thing. Most good and honest people cannot live with themselves and sleep peacefully if they know deep down inside what they had done was wrong and evil. Only the evil ones can do that without any guilt.

Can an honest man be evil? or can he do evil while being honest?

Well let says you run an honest pharmacy an increasing one profit honestly is good right done openly, your rental and supplier have increase their price, yet those who buy from you are poor and in bad times, that honest act of price increase is an evil act for the poor.....time to ponder......just having fun picking your brain.......:*:

 

[jubilee1919]

Can an honest man be evil? or can he do evil while being honest?

Well let says you run an honest pharmacy an increasing one profit honestly is good right done openly, your rental and supplier have increase their price, yet those who buy from you are poor and in bad times, that honest act of price increase is an evil act for the poor.....time to ponder......just having fun picking your brain.......:*:

Well charity should begin at home. If one cannot succeed in life how else can we help those in need? It does not make good business sense to lose money otherwise one will end up joining the ranks of the poor.

 

[Sunstreaker]

Honestly, I think everyone does believe and have the conviction he is doing the right thing. Most good and honest people cannot live with themselves and sleep peacefully if they know deep down inside what they had done was wrong and evil. Only the evil ones can do that without any guilt.

good and evil people same. all human thoughts and actions are motivated by self-interest.