If cannot even present White Paper properly, do you think they can implement it?

[Confuseous]

So, now we have it. The following ministers have come out to explain that the 6.9million is not a target but something else.

First, Khaw Boon Wan. Supported by PM Lee. Then in quick succession over the weekend, Iswaran, Vivian Balakrishnan, Shanmmugam, Health Minister Gan came out of the woodwork to explain that the White Paper was not what it has been made out to be by the public.

Presumably, the Paper had the approval had the approval of the cabinet before it was released - and yet none of them had seen it fit that the communications needed to be improved? That "crisis of our lifetime" (as described by V Balakrishnan) issues need clarifications by different ministers in such a short space of time do not augurs well for everyone.

AWARE has raised the additional issue of why was not the paper floated for public discussion before being laid out in parliament? Yet "public consultations" had deemed necessary for much less life threatening issues.

When MPs expound their views in Parliament, are they speaking as individuals or as representatives of the their constituents? MPs should distinguish their personal views and the views of their constitutents in making their statements tomorrow. Or this is one big wayang? Will the Whip be lifted when push comes to shove?

 

[SixthColumn]

All these PAP goons are but a bunch of clowns trying very hard to justify their fucking MILLION DOLLAR salary..

 

[Travellor]

PAP White Paper Rollout - absolute PR nightmare or signs of failng leadership?

wdf is happening...so many different takes in just over a week.

Never seen these clowns scramble around like kallang kabutting like bluearsed flies before???

anybody?

 

[SixthColumn]

Re: PAP White Paper Rollout - absolute PR nightmare or signs of failng leadership?

Both sides also fail...clowns are clowns...

 

[Satyr]

Re: PAP White Paper Rollout - absolute PR nightmare or signs of failng leadership?

wdf is happening...so many different takes in just over a week.

Never seen these clowns scramble around like kallang kabutting like bluearsed flies before???

anybody?

These are the guys in charge ? LKY come back. All is forgiven.

 

[po2wq]

So, now we have it. The following ministers have come out to explain that the 6.9million is not a target but something else.

First, Khaw Boon Wan. Supported by PM Lee. Then in quick succession over the weekend, Iswaran, Vivian Balakrishnan, Shanmmugam, Health Minister Gan came out of the woodwork to explain that the White Paper was not what it has been made out to be by the public ...

how can ze public made out wrongly wat was made out 2 dem? ... 5 million sinkies cant b wrong! ...

either dey were poor in their communications ... or dey now try 2 twist their words ...

sins wen haf dey been so poor in their communications? ... so, reason can oni b ze latter ...

 

[po2wq]

If cannot even present White Paper properly, do you think they can implement it? ...

y not? ...

dey wil make it 2 8.88 millions ...

n den dey wil tel u dey lacked 20/20 4site ... n den dey wil oso tel u dat wat was made out by u daft sinkies was not wat dey meant ... dey never meant it was 6.9m ...

 

[johnny333]

Re: PAP White Paper Rollout - absolute PR nightmare or signs of failng leadership?

For years some people have speculated that Mrs. Lee was the real brains running Spore & LKY was just a mediocre politician.
With her gone, maybe there is a vacuum up there at the Istana

 

[Satyr]

Leaving aside the merits of the arguments, to buy into such an audacious plan the people must have complete trust in the government. That's the problem isn't it ?

 

[laksaboy]

Maybe someone in charge of writing up the White Paper secretly hates the PAP, and has cleverly crafted it in such a way that if its contents were announced, the PAP ministers would suffer an unprecedented torrent of abuse and media scrutiny.

See how taken aback they are... clearly, they had not expected this. Now, they're trying to limit the damage by explaining things away and backtracking.

 

[watchman8]

Re: PAP White Paper Rollout - absolute PR nightmare or signs of failng leadership?

For years some people have speculated that Mrs. Lee was the real brains running Spore & LKY was just a mediocre politician.
With her gone, maybe there is a vacuum up there at the Istana

Timing about right. She has first stroke in 2003, and second one in 2006, died in 2008. Foreigner uncontrolled influx started around 2005, and became unbearable around 2009.

 

[laksaboy]

Re: PAP White Paper Rollout - absolute PR nightmare or signs of failng leadership?

For years some people have speculated that Mrs. Lee was the real brains running Spore & LKY was just a mediocre politician.
With her gone, maybe there is a vacuum up there at the Istana

LKY was a virtual nobody without the backing of his wife's rich Kwa family.

 

[watchman8]

Maybe someone in charge of writing up the White Paper secretly hates the PAP, and has cleverly crafted it in such a way that if its contents were announced, the PAP ministers would suffer an unprecedented torrent of abuse and media scrutiny.

See how taken aback they are... clearly, they had not expected this. Now, they're trying to limit the damage by explaining things away and backtracking.

Written by PMO, which means all are old man and son ideas. They merely carried out instructions. Final version was definitely cleared at PM level.

They underestimated public reaction because no one within admin service and top leadership dare to voice disagreements with old man and son. Goes to show the disconnect and group think in the PMO and cabinet.

 

[kiwibird7]

Not one person in the PAP cabinet got the BALLS to claim that the 6.9 million population was his IDEA and to stand or fall by that policy. IF it was a COLLECTIVE CABINET idea, then PM LEE should stretch his tortoise neck all the way out for the CHOP if it is COCK-UP. That would at least justify the millions of $$$ collected every year as salary. PM Lee must have perfected those NS "SIAM" or take cover techniques in the SAF which is why he is so kilat in ducking into his tortoise shell to be MIA when the heat is TOO HOT

In the past the PAP MP for Potong Pasir HOWE YOON CHONG DARED to put his name to the HOWE YOON CHONG report on extending the age of CPF withdrawals that spelt the DOOM of PAP Potong Pasir which fell to Mr Chiam

 

[Kinana]

This increase in population is a must given our low birth rates. It actually benefits singkies. We have more business, jobs and property prices that we can cash out later.

 

[Faidenk]

Again I say, I have even less faith in those clowns now that I never have before.

 

[Kinana]

They are putting up a proposal that is unpopular but necessary and good.
I have more trustr and respect for this govt more than ever.

How can a higher population possibly be no good for us?

 

[Travellor]

This increase in population is a must given our low birth rates. It actually benefits singkies. We have more business, jobs and property prices that we can cash out later.

Lanjiao la....this fucking White paper is nothing more than a poorly disguised attempt by the fucking PAP to import even more new FT converted to citizen voters so that the bastards can continue with their plunder with greater impunity!!!!

Get rid of all the fucking white noise and what you have is naked ambition mixed with a huge dose of sheer power lust

 

[Equalisation]

This White Paper seems to be prepared by some struggling degree holder preparing for a thesis.:o

 

[laksaboy]

This White Paper seems to be prepared by some struggling degree holder preparing for a thesis.:o

Not a struggling degree holder. I think he/she is a degree holder that happens to be working for the PMO.

I guess that many months ago, Pinky declared he wanted a 'Population White Paper', so these PMO employees started doing their 'research' and finally created this masterpiece that pleases their masters.