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Now I know what the G stands for.
Heated debate between Traitor PeeM and LTK in parliament
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Another reminder from limpei to be very wary of those who place emphasis on articulation.
http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?116496-Kopiuncle-power-of-articulation
Many shitskin snakes are expert in this field.
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PAP has lack or already lose the ability to campaign in election.
Moving forward, these PAP MPs got to buck up and campaign in the coming election. Not saying anything in Parliament and hiding under the cloak of GRC is not a solution now. If you think WP can campaign very well in election , that is because PAP has made them look good,with all the major screw up.
To be fair, WP didn't do anything great since 2011 inside Parliament. Partly because PAP has all the resources on hand. From the efficient civil servants down to the Grassroot level. To be fair also, WP does not have the resources to mount a challenge.
But if you give WP a civil service make over, they will do better for Singapore.
Moving forward, these PAP MPs got to buck up and campaign in the coming election. Not saying anything in Parliament and hiding under the cloak of GRC is not a solution now. If you think WP can campaign very well in election , that is because PAP has made them look good,with all the major screw up.
To be fair, WP didn't do anything great since 2011 inside Parliament. Partly because PAP has all the resources on hand. From the efficient civil servants down to the Grassroot level. To be fair also, WP does not have the resources to mount a challenge.
But if you give WP a civil service make over, they will do better for Singapore.
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not true leh... look at how Kee Chiu entertain those old aunties... power da macha~
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hehehe... that's why i sincerely pray that old fart lives long enough to see the next GE results
On the contrary PAP don't fear Confrontational politicians or debate. People like csj, Vw though eloquent got the tendency to get too carried away and give PAP the chance to counter back with lawsuit. These are people PAP would prefer to meet rather than LTK who taichi his way and doesn't give PAP the chance to sue. In the end it PM who gets visibly agitated in the process.
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Dear PM Lee,
come the next GE, please stand in Aljunied GRC and contest
an Aljunied GRC resident.
Pinky can bring along his ministers to Aljunied. Fastest way to retirement. But he got no balls.
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His time is up. Wait for CCS. Would be even worse.
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you should sit around the KPT around AMK GRC, word of the town: David vs Goliath
if roy goto MPS, will he get to see loon?
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i dunno leh... Roy stay in AMK GRC?
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LTK doing Sink@poor a favour by helping to clean the PAP up (despite being 'fixed' fr
LTK doing Sink@poor a favour by helping to clean the PAP up (despite being 'fixed' from the start)...
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Constructive politics Stink@poor style: in practise, looks like the operations of a criminal syndicate to me though...
1) [2006GE]: Admit to change goal posts to fix the opposition:
2) [1991 onwards]: Fill up parliament with overpriced puppet MPs in supersized GRCs:
3) Run roughshod over any opposition and
a) [2011]: say whatever nonsense U want to explain getting your hand stuck in cookie jar more often than once...
b) [1997]: When bending the law for partisan gain, always good to have the Attorney General covering your back side:...
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LTK doing Sink@poor a favour by helping to clean the PAP up (despite being 'fixed' from the start)...
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Constructive politics Stink@poor style: in practise, looks like the operations of a criminal syndicate to me though...
1) [2006GE]: Admit to change goal posts to fix the opposition:
2) [1991 onwards]: Fill up parliament with overpriced puppet MPs in supersized GRCs:
'Without some assurance of a good chance of winning at least their first election, many able and successful young Singaporeans may not risk their careers to join politics,' Mr Goh Chok Tong, June 2006 ['GRCs make it easier to find top talent: SM'].
[Pict= [URL="http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2012/04/disassembling-grc-benefits-pap-1/"]Disassembling GRC system benefits PAP (Part 1 of 3)[/URL]]
3) Run roughshod over any opposition and
a) [2011]: say whatever nonsense U want to explain getting your hand stuck in cookie jar more often than once...
"If the annual salary of the Minister of Information, Communication and Arts is only $500,000, it may pose some problems when he discuss policies with media CEOs who earn millions of dollars because they need not listen to the minister's ideas and proposals. Hence, a reasonable payout will help to maintain a bit of dignity."
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b) [1997]: When bending the law for partisan gain, always good to have the Attorney General covering your back side:...
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http://mothership.sg/2013/10/10-sayings-ex-top-civil-servant-ngiam-tong-dow-lays-smack/
You thought only Lee Kuan Yew could provide you with quotable quotes? Try Ngiam Tong Dow.
By Belmont Lay
Calling the former top civil servant Ngiam Tong Dow “outspoken” is like saying a nuclear holocaust is “regrettable”.
Because that would be an understatement.
You might have to hear it to believe it. But the quotes this man gives makes him a living legend.
Ngiam has served as Permanent Secretary in the Prime Minister’s Office under Lee Kuan Yew, as well as in various other ministries. He has earned his reputation as a no-nonsense kind of guy. Someone with clout. Someone who can speak his mind without fear or favour.
At 73, he could be trimming bonsai, shooting the breeze and smoking a pipe.
But no, he is still out laying the smack down on everyone.
So, here are 10 Ngiam Tong Dow sayings from his recent wide-ranging interview in the September edition of the Singapore Medical Association newsletter that will make him go down in history for giving it like a manly man.
1. “I think a lot of these pseudo-economists and pseudo-politicians say Singaporeans should be employed first, but are Singaporeans fit or willing to do some of these job?”
gilbert-goh
Source
Ngiam shows what he thinks of today’s naysayers who regard foreigners as stealing Singaporeans’ jobs.
2. “My favourite topic — I’m on public record — is Formula 1 (F1). We’re paying the Englishmen to stage the F1 night race here. Why should we use taxpayers’ money to pay for these races? I have asked this question publicly, but the MOF has never addressed it.”
ministry-of-finance-sg
Source
Ngiam thinks the Ministry of Finance is dodgy.
3. “I was born in a generation where every cent counts, so I believe we should spend our money wisely, and not on frivolities. Sometimes, I think our present Cabinet spends money on frivolities, and staging the F1 is my “favourite” example.”
singapore-cabinet
Source
Ngiam tells the present Cabinet ministers to shove it with their frivolities.
4. “A Hong Kong delegation asked me what I consider frivolities. In Hong Kong, they have fireworks displays every year. One of the delegates asked me whether I thought it was a waste of public money. If everyone in Hong Kong can see the fireworks, then there is no waste; if only a restricted number of people can see it, then the money spent is wasted.”
ndp-fireworks
Source
Ngiam tells why a public good paid for by taxpayers should be non-rivalrous.
5. “For example, one of my favourite topics to show the stark difference in priorities during my younger days and today is work-life balance. During my younger days, we never thought of work-life balance. For me, my first plane ride was for a work conference in Bangkok!”
singapore-passport
Source
Ngiam thinks work-life balance is making our present generation chumps.
6. “In the early days, Lim Kim San and Goh Keng Swee worked night and day, and they were truly dedicated. I don’t know whether Lee Kuan Yew will agree but it started going downhill when we started to raise ministers’ salaries, not even pegging them to the national salary but aligning them with the top 10.”
parliament-singapore
Source
Ngiam thinks Singapore’s leaders are overpaid and it’s not working out.
7. “When you raise ministers’ salaries to the point that they’re earning millions of dollar, every minister — no matter how much he wants to turn up and tell Hsien Loong off or whatever — will hesitate when he thinks of his million-dollar salary. Even if he wants to do it, his wife will stop him.”
lee-hsien-loong-casual
Source
Ngiam calls the Prime Minister “Hsien Loong” casually. And he labels ministers’ wives as gold diggers.
8. “The Civil Service has definitely become tamer, which is not good because we need a contest of ideas. The difference is that no one wants to make a sacrifice any more. The first generation of PAP was purely grassroots, but the problem today is that PAP is a bit too elitist.”
pap-supporter
Source: Terence Lee
Ngiam tells the Civil Service and PAP to shove it.
9. “We shouldn’t buy trophies. The best thing is to train our own people and give them the experience. I wrote an article some time ago on how we were spending over $6 billion trying to raise productivity. I found out that we have 30,000 trained workers each year, if we took into account the graduates from all our universities, polytechnics and Institutes of Technical Education! Yet, our employers refuse to take them on because they say that while the graduates may have the theories, they may not be able to do the job!”
nus-graduation
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Ngiam wants to nurture our own local talents to unlock their own achievements.
10. “For example, the delivery of medical care falls squarely on the shoulders of our nurses, so I was very upset to read that our Population White Paper classified nursing as a “low-skilled” job. Whoever passed that document should have his pay revoked. (laughs)”
nurses-singapore
Source
Ngiam wants to revoke the salaries of some people who worked on the unpopular Population White Paper.
Somebody, give this man a beer.
Read Ngiam’s full interview here.
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You thought only Lee Kuan Yew could provide you with quotable quotes? Try Ngiam Tong Dow.
By Belmont Lay
Calling the former top civil servant Ngiam Tong Dow “outspoken” is like saying a nuclear holocaust is “regrettable”.
Because that would be an understatement.
You might have to hear it to believe it. But the quotes this man gives makes him a living legend.
Ngiam has served as Permanent Secretary in the Prime Minister’s Office under Lee Kuan Yew, as well as in various other ministries. He has earned his reputation as a no-nonsense kind of guy. Someone with clout. Someone who can speak his mind without fear or favour.
At 73, he could be trimming bonsai, shooting the breeze and smoking a pipe.
But no, he is still out laying the smack down on everyone.
So, here are 10 Ngiam Tong Dow sayings from his recent wide-ranging interview in the September edition of the Singapore Medical Association newsletter that will make him go down in history for giving it like a manly man.
1. “I think a lot of these pseudo-economists and pseudo-politicians say Singaporeans should be employed first, but are Singaporeans fit or willing to do some of these job?”
gilbert-goh
Source
Ngiam shows what he thinks of today’s naysayers who regard foreigners as stealing Singaporeans’ jobs.
2. “My favourite topic — I’m on public record — is Formula 1 (F1). We’re paying the Englishmen to stage the F1 night race here. Why should we use taxpayers’ money to pay for these races? I have asked this question publicly, but the MOF has never addressed it.”
ministry-of-finance-sg
Source
Ngiam thinks the Ministry of Finance is dodgy.
3. “I was born in a generation where every cent counts, so I believe we should spend our money wisely, and not on frivolities. Sometimes, I think our present Cabinet spends money on frivolities, and staging the F1 is my “favourite” example.”
singapore-cabinet
Source
Ngiam tells the present Cabinet ministers to shove it with their frivolities.
4. “A Hong Kong delegation asked me what I consider frivolities. In Hong Kong, they have fireworks displays every year. One of the delegates asked me whether I thought it was a waste of public money. If everyone in Hong Kong can see the fireworks, then there is no waste; if only a restricted number of people can see it, then the money spent is wasted.”
ndp-fireworks
Source
Ngiam tells why a public good paid for by taxpayers should be non-rivalrous.
5. “For example, one of my favourite topics to show the stark difference in priorities during my younger days and today is work-life balance. During my younger days, we never thought of work-life balance. For me, my first plane ride was for a work conference in Bangkok!”
singapore-passport
Source
Ngiam thinks work-life balance is making our present generation chumps.
6. “In the early days, Lim Kim San and Goh Keng Swee worked night and day, and they were truly dedicated. I don’t know whether Lee Kuan Yew will agree but it started going downhill when we started to raise ministers’ salaries, not even pegging them to the national salary but aligning them with the top 10.”
parliament-singapore
Source
Ngiam thinks Singapore’s leaders are overpaid and it’s not working out.
7. “When you raise ministers’ salaries to the point that they’re earning millions of dollar, every minister — no matter how much he wants to turn up and tell Hsien Loong off or whatever — will hesitate when he thinks of his million-dollar salary. Even if he wants to do it, his wife will stop him.”
lee-hsien-loong-casual
Source
Ngiam calls the Prime Minister “Hsien Loong” casually. And he labels ministers’ wives as gold diggers.
8. “The Civil Service has definitely become tamer, which is not good because we need a contest of ideas. The difference is that no one wants to make a sacrifice any more. The first generation of PAP was purely grassroots, but the problem today is that PAP is a bit too elitist.”
pap-supporter
Source: Terence Lee
Ngiam tells the Civil Service and PAP to shove it.
9. “We shouldn’t buy trophies. The best thing is to train our own people and give them the experience. I wrote an article some time ago on how we were spending over $6 billion trying to raise productivity. I found out that we have 30,000 trained workers each year, if we took into account the graduates from all our universities, polytechnics and Institutes of Technical Education! Yet, our employers refuse to take them on because they say that while the graduates may have the theories, they may not be able to do the job!”
nus-graduation
Source
Ngiam wants to nurture our own local talents to unlock their own achievements.
10. “For example, the delivery of medical care falls squarely on the shoulders of our nurses, so I was very upset to read that our Population White Paper classified nursing as a “low-skilled” job. Whoever passed that document should have his pay revoked. (laughs)”
nurses-singapore
Source
Ngiam wants to revoke the salaries of some people who worked on the unpopular Population White Paper.
Somebody, give this man a beer.
Read Ngiam’s full interview here.
Find Mothership.SG on Facebook and Twitter.
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Hitler was miles clever than Pinky.
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Mr Lee: Mdm speaker, after all this complicated explanation, I don’t know whether Mr Low Thia Khiang still stands by what was said in Parliament in the White Paper debate last year. Because if he really does, after all the explanation, he should say, we have too many foreign workers now, send home 70,000. Then we will know where he stands. But after telling me you can massage this and some people can do (with) less and others will need more – that’s easy to say, who’s going to do the massaging? Of course, the Government. And that, is the mark of a sub-standard Opposition.
Mr Low: Mdm speaker, I disagree. This is not the mark of a sub-standard Opposition. This is the mark of a responsible Opposition not to jam up the Government; allowing the Government - after giving our view, debating it – allowing the Government to move forward, not to jam up the Government. It is a mark of a responsible Government and a mark of first world Parliament.
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Mr Lee: Mdm speaker. We have to call a spade a spade. If we have changed position and your previous position was wrong, say so. If you hold by your position, have your guts to reaffirm it and take the consequences. But to weasel away, play with words, avoid the issue and then claim to be responsible, that is what we fear can drive Singapore’s politics into the same place where many other countries have gone.
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