Hawker centre cleaning – The mysterious quotation

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[h=2]Hawker centre cleaning – The mysterious quotation[/h]

July 13th, 2013 |

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ATL Maintenance - Quotation to 538 Market Association

In Parliament, Vivian referred to a quotation by the AHPETC’s contractor, ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd to the market association as evidence that the Town Council is asking for double payment for the cleaning of the ceiling of the hawker centre.
“The first irregular event is ATL’s quotation delivered by hand on the 19th of February 2013… the hawkers have never asked for a quotation. Mr Low (WP’s chief, Low Thia Kiang) has met with the hawkers. They have told him the same thing. Secondly ATL is your own private contractor. When your own contractor issues a quotation for $7,200 to the hawkers asking for payment for work which you say is already covered by your contract – that amounts to a demand for double payment for the same quantity of work.,” Balakrishnan said, adding that he also had witnesses from meetings who could verify events. Quoted from YahooNews Online
Sylvia Lim said the quotation was requested by the market association:
“This quotation was requested by the market association and does not coincide with their annual obligation to clean the high areas under the town council contract.” Quoted from YahooNews Online.
What is the main issue here? A quotation by AHPETC’s contractor, ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd delivered by hand to the market association. Why did ATL send a quotation to the market association? Was it a request for quotes by the association or ATL voluntarily sent them a quotation? Sylvia Lim said the quotation was requested by the market association.
What is the truth? Is this so difficult to prove? Did or did not the market association asked for the quotation? If yes, why? If not, why should ATL send them a quotation? Who instructed the ATL to send an unsolicited quotation?
Could someone provide the answers to solve the mystery of this red hot quotation? Who asked for it or who instructed for it to be sent to the market association?
One possibility, ATL sent it under instruction from AHPETC which could lead to the assumption that AHPETC is expecting the hawkers to pay for it. And this is likely to be Vivian’s position.
The second possibility is that the market association asked for it. This will mean that ATL just responded to a request for quotes and this has nothing to do with the AHPETC’s intent to demand for payment unless they have already told the market association and this gave them the reason so ask for a quote. One point to ponder, the market association can ask for quotes from other maintenance company as well. Is this the only quote they asked for and received?
A third possibility, nobody asked or instructed ATL to send the quotation to the market association. They just sent the quotation without knowing why? And they know who to send the quotation to. This will be another mystery to solve.
The above questions would be an interesting puzzle for Sherlock Holmes to solve. Let’s see who is the first to come up with the full answers to complete the puzzle.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean

* The writer blogs at http://mysingaporenews.blogspot.com

 

[Sinkie]

Please lah.....seriously? Who gives a flying fuck?

Is that what the chobolan Nigerian scam crony infested self-serving lumparliament spend tax-payers multi-million dollars to poke each others' assholes in lumparliament, as if we are so fucking concerned about whether the cheebye hawkers are going to pay extra to clean their hawker centre??

Think, one fucking small bowl of fish ball noodles had increased in price from $2.50 to $3.00 to $3.50 and they even charge the plastic box for $0.20 when each fucking plastic box costs only $0.05.

KNNBCCB, truly a wayang kulit lumparliament.

 

[Sinkie]

Can someone enlighten me if the hawker centre stall holders are paying conservancy charges monthly to the Town Council or is the Town Council using the conservancy charges collected from all the households to gift to the cheebye hawker centre for its maintenance?

 

[winnipegjets]

Can someone enlighten me if the hawker centre stall holders are paying conservancy charges monthly to the Town Council or is the Town Council using the conservancy charges collected from all the households to gift to the cheebye hawker centre for its maintenance?

I would be surprise that the conservancy payment from the hawkers is sufficient to cover the cost of maintaining the hawker centres. The hawkers are being subsidized by households.

 

[Tuayapeh]

So if the hawkers asssociation is the one who went to ask for the quotation....we need to find out whether the one who requested this was a pap dog ....


Once we know this....then this is the end...the fucking papa set up the WP...





If i was LTK i challenge that fucking clown VB to a public inquiry on this issue ...and while we are at this, might as well take the AiM thing out to properly sort out instead of taking a self-interetsed ministry's "investigations" on it.......


Wooo ji boh??!


Dare or not? Or only good at your high falulating bullshit rhetoric and thumping tables with your pwabye dossiers.....lets go allthe way and so oth together and find out what is true integrity....


Pap sure no lampar and back down.......

 

[Sinkie]

I would be surprise that the conservancy payment from the hawkers is sufficient to cover the cost of maintaining the hawker centres. The hawkers are being subsidized by households.

Why are households subsidizing the cheebye hawker centre for its cleaning maintenance???

 

[rodent2005]

I don't understand why the PAP has come out guns blazing hammering on the integrity and honesty issue over a specific incident i.e. asking the hawkers to pay extra because it can be easily refuted and with an amount of $7,200?????

Come on, is it likely that the WP need to cheat $7,200?

OK, so Vivian waived parliamentary privileges? BUT if he has sufficient evidence of a crime being committed, why did he not make a police report? It's PAP's onus to report a crime as well.

 

[Satyr]

I don't understand why the PAP has come out guns blazing hammering on the integrity and honesty issue over a specific incident i.e. asking the hawkers to pay extra because it can be easily refuted and with an amount of $7,200?????

Come on, is it likely that the WP need to cheat $7,200?

OK, so Vivian waived parliamentary privileges? BUT if he has sufficient evidence of a crime being committed, why did he not make a police report? It's PAP's onus to report a crime as well.

The TC managing agent works for the TC. The TC works for the town, not the businessmen operating in the town i.e. the hawkers. If the TC manager was being extra careful how town council management money was being spent, he is not wrong. Overzealous maybe , but not wrong. He was being careful to distinguish between spring and annual cleaning and what his responsibilities were in each case. Just imagine , if he blindly agreed to pay for the high area cleaning for spring cleaning, I can forsee an MND audit faulting the TC on governance issues and making more mountains out of pimples.

VB cares so much for the hawkers , the leader of which is a PAP stalwart ? This is the man who was nitpicking about a dollar for starving citizens ? Gimme a break.

 

[Bigfuck]

Quotations can be offers to treat as no sale took place it is like talking about paid sex with jessica alba who did not take up your offer. This leegime cannot handle money.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

We all know what is going on.
Spread the truth and re-educate those gong cheebyes 60.1%......
And also to the young Singaporeans who will be eligible to vote come 2016.

 

[Satyr]

I don't understand why the PAP has come out guns blazing hammering on the integrity and honesty issue over a specific incident i.e. asking the hawkers to pay extra because it can be easily refuted and with an amount of $7,200?????

Come on, is it likely that the WP need to cheat $7,200?

OK, so Vivian waived parliamentary privileges? BUT if he has sufficient evidence of a crime being committed, why did he not make a police report? It's PAP's onus to report a crime as well.

CSJ lost his university post for something that hardly amounted to 50 bucks if anything. JBJ was convicted of fiddling WP party funds and had his conviction overturned by the Privy Council. He was not re-instated to his parliamentary seat. Talk about honor.That ass Prof Teh is a guy hard to feel sorry for, but don't tell me he is the only one who did what he did. What did these three guys have in common ?

The WP better put The Police's "I'll be watching you" on their iPods and loop it continuously. Even if they get the time wrong on a parking coupon they will have sledgehammers coming down on them.

 

[greedy and cunning]

prince alreadi proclaimed many many many moons ago that fixing
is in the job scope.
could this be one example ?
just sit back and enjoy , not nid to say so much.
the wise man of the old said :
the poor don't fight against the rich ;
the rich don't fight against the gaberment.

 

[scbccb]

I see ... ignorant imbecciles.

 

[zeddy]

This is another of the PAP's usual tactics to divert the attention of daft Sinkies..

There are more important national issues than this mickey mouse hawker ctr cleaning saga..

It's funny that Pinky should talk about integrity when it concerns an Opposition Party.. In fact he should be the last bapok on this earth to talk about integrity..

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

There are some details left out. ATL sent this quotation to the WRONG person! Ng was the EX-Chairman and most likely, ATL just sent the quotation according to their PAST record on who is the chairman of HA.

Thus, it is quite likely that nobody from HA has asked for the quotation. It could only be either AHTC people ask ATL to send a quotation or ATL just sent an unsolicited quotation.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[halsey02]

There is some details left out. ATL sent this quotation to the WRONG person! Ng was the EX-Chairman and most likely, ATL just sent the quotation according to their PAST record on who is the chairman of HA.

Thus, it is quite likely that nobody from HA has asked for the quotation. It could only be either AHTC people ask ATL to send a quotation or ATL just sent an unsolicited quotation.

Goh Meng Seng

Then ask the person who signed that 'quotation'...the full name, designation & even hand phone number is typed on the letter. If there is hanky panky going on...whomever must be investigated? have they started that??:p

 

[jixiaolan]

Simple, Aljunied Town Council has to provide a satisfactory explanation. If AHPETC did not solicit payment for the cleaning of the high area thru ATL, why did it see fit to order 5 days closure for a half day job? The poor hawkers had to pay for rental despite the closure. Now, fingers were pointing at WP for exploiting the hawkers and irregularity over billing policy, it is appalling that the party deem acting dumb by staying silent is the best way to settle this scandal. I am seeing remarkable similarity on how WP and its leaders are handling this matter with their ex-HG mp sex scandal.

[h=2]What is the truth? Is this so difficult to prove? Did or did not the market association asked for the quotation? If yes, why? If not, why should ATL send them a quotation? Who instructed the ATL to send an unsolicited quotation?
Could someone provide the answers to solve the mystery of this red hot quotation? Who asked for it or who instructed for it to be sent to the market association?
One possibility, ATL sent it under instruction from AHPETC which could lead to the assumption that AHPETC is expecting the hawkers to pay for it. And this is likely to be Vivian’s position.
The second possibility is that the market association asked for it. This will mean that ATL just responded to a request for quotes and this has nothing to do with the AHPETC’s intent to demand for payment unless they have already told the market association and this gave them the reason so ask for a quote. One point to ponder, the market association can ask for quotes from other maintenance company as well. Is this the only quote they asked for and received?
A third possibility, nobody asked or instructed ATL to send the quotation to the market association. They just sent the quotation without knowing why? And they know who to send the quotation to. This will be another mystery to solve.
The above questions would be an interesting puzzle for Sherlock Holmes to solve. Let’s see who is the first to come up with the full answers to complete the puzzle.

 

[halsey02]

Simple, Aljunied Town Council has to provide a satisfactory explanation. If AHPETC did not solicit payment for the cleaning of the high area thru ATL, why did it see fit to order 5 days closure for a half day job? The poor hawkers had to pay for rental despite the closure. Now, fingers were pointing at WP for exploiting the hawkers and irregularity over billing policy, it is appalling that the party deem acting dumb by staying silent is the best way to settle this scandal. I am seeing remarkable similarity on how WP and its leaders are handling this matter with their ex-HG mp sex scandal.

All it boils down to management...

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Sad to say, WP AHTC just act blur, see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil. Well, even LTK didn't talk to his own staff Mr Tai or hawkers, do you expect them to talk to their contractor ATL?

Goh Meng Seng

Then ask the person who signed that 'quotation'...the full name, designation & even hand phone number is typed on the letter. If there is hanky panky going on...whomever must be investigated? have they started that??:p

 

[potato29]

In Parliament, Vivian referred to a quotation by the AHPETC’s contractor, ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd to the market association as evidence that the Town Council is asking for double payment for the cleaning of the ceiling of the hawker centre.
“The first irregular event is ATL’s quotation delivered by hand on the 19th of February 2013… the hawkers have never asked for a quotation. Mr Low (WP’s chief, Low Thia Kiang) has met with the hawkers. They have told him the same thing. Secondly ATL is your own private contractor. When your own contractor issues a quotation for $7,200 to the hawkers asking for payment for work which you say is already covered by your contract – that amounts to a demand for double payment for the same quantity of work.,” Balakrishnan said, adding that he also had witnesses from meetings who could verify events. Quoted from YahooNews Online

this is scary. these jokers are paid millions but cannot understand that a quotation is not a demand for payment. how can we expect them to run sinkapore.