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Has a middle-class arrived in the Middle Kingdom?

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Anyone visited Dongguan to confirm this?



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-wait-for-reluctant-consumers/article2188199/

China’s giant, deserted malls wait for reluctant consumers
mark mackinnon
DONGGUAN, CHINA— From Monday's Globe and Mail
Published Sunday, Oct. 02, 2011 7:47PM EDT
Last updated Sunday, Oct. 02, 2011 8:46PM EDT
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When the New South China Mall opened to great fanfare in 2006, it immediately became the world’s largest shopping centre by floor space, knocking the West Edmonton Mall into second place. Newsweek magazine believed it to be one of the seven “new wonders of the world,” visitors are reminded in a video that plays on an endless loop over one of the mall’s many entrances.
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Five years later, the New South China Mall has achieved a very different, unforeseen notoriety. With an occupancy rate of just 2 per cent, the 660,000-square-metre New South China Mall is one of the world’s emptiest shopping destinations and one of the biggest white elephants ever built.
The 201 kilometres of Venice-style canals that wind through the mall’s heart are lined with stores that closed soon after the splashy opening. Advertisements promising “Fashion 2006!” hang beside naked mannequins in one deserted clothing shop. Long rows of stalls never even saw a tenant. A half-dozen gondolas that were supposed to transport tired shoppers from one wing of the giant mall to the next bob unused beneath the mall’s stone “San Francisco Bridge,” the gondoliers nowhere in sight.
In several hours of wandering the mall’s vast acreage on a Saturday afternoon, only a handful of shoppers could be seen.
It’s a long way down for a complex that was hailed five years ago as proof that China’s economy was finally transforming, and that a sizable chunk of this country’s 1.3 billion people were finally feeling wealthy enough to open their wallets a little. As Chinese began to spend, the hopeful thinking went, this massive market would more than cover for slackening demand in the West.
With the global economy on the brink of a second recession in three years, it’s clear that China’s consumption revolution hasn’t yet come to pass. While the overall economy has grown nearly 10 per cent a year since then, much of that was driven by investment and construction that many see as camouflage for a lack of genuine growth.
Private spending, which accounted for just 35 per cent of China’s gross domestic product in 2006 – by far the lowest of any major world economy – has barely risen to 36 per cent today, according to International Monetary Fund figures. Consumers in China are also more reluctant than in the West to borrow money for luxuries, with less than 1 per cent of urban Chinese using consumer loans to purchase consumer goods. Chinese save between 25 per cent and 50 per cent of their income. That leaves a lot less money to spend at the mall.
“Sometimes tour groups come here from [nearby cities] Guangzhou or Shenzhen,” said Hu Xiaocui, a bored ticket taker at the Teletubbies playroom that is the only functioning business on the mall’s third floor. “But they don’t show them the empty parts.”
Only 47 of an astonishing 2,350 retail spaces are filled, the most successful businesses being McDonalds and KFC restaurants near the mall’s front entrance. Fast-food wrappers and empty paper cups litter ghostly hallways in other parts of the complex. The elevators and lights are switched off, and voices echo off atrium ceilings four storeys high.
“We only sweep near the Teletubbies playroom. The other floors – what’s the point?” laughed a member of the cleaning staff. “No one ever did any shopping here, even when there were stores. It was too expensive.”
The most curious thing about the New South China Mall is that it’s far from unique. Largely empty megamalls are an increasingly common sight in cities around China. More are being built, even as millions of square metres of retail space already sit empty.
In the trendy Sanlitun neighbourhood of Beijing, five shopping complexes sit within two square kilometres. While they haven’t had Dongguan’s problems in attracting tenants, shoppers aren’t following the brand names to Sanlitun, which is one of the wealthiest enclaves in China. In the upscale Village North mall – which hosts Versace, Longchamp and Emporio Armani stores – the occasional shoppers are outnumbered by phalanxes of bored employees. The 14 towers of the even newer Sanlitun Soho project sit mostly empty just two blocks away, while Pacific Century Place department store, another block east and once the area’s trendiest place to shop, will shut its doors next month.
“These malls are built by property developers, not retailers. They’re not looking at the market or market demands. There’s an ‘if-we-build-it-they-will-come’ attitude,” said Matthew Crabbe, co-founder of the Access Asia market research group.
Even by China’s standards, the New South China Mall was particularly ill-conceived. A high-end shopping destination was always a stretch for Dongguan, a factory city of six million people in southern Guangdong province that relies on low-cost labour imported from other parts of China. Just past its fifth birthday, the mall’s exterior paint is already starting to peel off its faux European architecture. Rivers of rust streak down from the railings of the emergency exit staircases.
An employee in the promotions section of Sanyuan Yinghui Investment and Development Co. Ltd (the company that manages the property on behalf of developer Beida Resources Group) said it was “not convenient” to talk about why so much of the mall sits vacant. “The staff has changed many times since the beginning. I have no idea why they chose Dongguan [as a location],” said the employee, who would only give his family name, Tang. “I have no idea what the original plan was.”
Whatever happened, it seems few lessons were learned from the debacle of the South China Mall. Across a narrow street from the complex’s back entrance, machines dig at the dirt on another Beida Resources mega-project.
“Acme River Bank Villa” a sign on the surrounding fence reads, followed by an aptly mistranslated slogan. “Luxury is specious.”
 
Anyone visited Dongguan to confirm this?

Why visit? Just do a search.

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More evidence that Chinese "growth" is nothing more than a mirage..... :rolleyes:


 
Was in Dongguan for 3 days 2 nights last week. All the time in karaoke leh never see anything at the mall. I can confirm karaoke very crowded leh.
 
Ive stayed in Red Deer Alberta which is about 3 hours drive from west edmonton mall. The difference is Canadians from the time they can first work, they are considered "actual consumers" because they are paid well. Even students have the money to spend. How much is the spending power of a chinese in china?

Even with a huge population, I dont see anyway that businesses in china is sustainable in the long run because most chinese earns peanuts. Unless its a multinational business or mom and pop store.
 
In China 发财容易,守财难.

China's wealth gaps have grown and the rich are now thinking of securing their wealth thus many invest in oversea asset, especially here in Singapore.
 
Was in Dongguan for 3 days 2 nights last week. All the time in karaoke leh never see anything at the mall. I can confirm karaoke very crowded leh.

Probably frequented by businessmen entertaining businessmen.

Cheers!
 
Ive stayed in Red Deer Alberta which is about 3 hours drive from west edmonton mall. The difference is Canadians from the time they can first work, they are considered "actual consumers" because they are paid well. Even students have the money to spend. How much is the spending power of a chinese in china?

Even with a huge population, I dont see anyway that businesses in china is sustainable in the long run because most chinese earns peanuts. Unless its a multinational business or mom and pop store.

Yeah, Canucks spend and party alot. The Chinese in Canada spend the most, at least in my neighborhood.

In PRC, there is the business class ~ hyper rich buggers with shitloads of disposable cash, able to afford Italian exotic cars, mistriesses. A a small percentage of professionals, able to afford some branded items and an apartment, but struggling to keep up their apperances, mostly employed by MNCs. And then the working lower classes, forming the majority; for these, even a meal at McDonald's is out of the question.

Looking at the society from this perspective, their Revolution has failed.

Cheers!
 
In China 发财容易,守财难.

China's wealth gaps have grown and the rich are now thinking of securing their wealth thus many invest in oversea asset, especially here in Singapore.

Yes. Their filthy rich are taking their cash out of China. Prime real estate in Canada too targets them.

Cheers!
 
Gosh. That's scary.

I'd like to see their Profit & Loss Statement. Or should I say, Loss & Debt Statement.

And what about their AGM? How many people turn up?

Which books you want to see. The Happy book or The book they want others to believe?

How do you have AGM in a culture that have an unquestioning respect/fear for authority?

Yes. Their filthy rich are taking their cash out of China. Prime real estate in Canada too targets them.
Cheers!

Do not forget the Australian property roadshows in China.

Have you read the news of these rich Chinese run roads?

Oct 1, 2011
China's debt-heavy bosses go on the run
By Olivia Chung

HONG KONG - A lending crisis is brewing in the eastern Chinese province of Zhejiang, after more than 20 company bosses have fled in recent weeks, leaving millions of dollars in unpaid loans linked to unofficial lenders, many of whom who get their cash from ordinary families.

Three of the runaway company heads each left more than 1 billion yuan (US$156 million) in loans unpaid, according to Zhou Dewen, chairman of the Wenzhou SME (small and medium-sized enterprise) Development Association. Among the absconders are a few recognized industry leaders such as Hu Fulin, 47, founder



and president of the Zhejiang Center Group, one of the mainland's biggest spectacles makers.

Businessmen have been forced to turn to private lenders for help in the wake of tighter central government loan policies introduced late last year to fight inflation. The higher interest rates that are demanded by the underground lenders can become particularly onerous when the businesses do not run as well as expected.

Most of the company heads who have absconded were involved in manufacturing and had borrowed hundreds of millions of yuan from banks and private creditors. Wenzhou has about 360,000 small and medium-sized enterprises, producing a wide range of consumer goods - from shoes, cigarette lighters to spectacles - whose low cost has helped to make China the world's workshop.

Last Wednesday, Hu called the company's chief executive officer to say that he was unable to sustain the company any longer. He is now believed to be in the United States, according to the 21st Century Business Herald.

Hu's company was up to 2 billion yuan in debt, including 1.2 billion yuan from private lenders that attracted interest rates of more than 20 million yuan a month, and 800 million yuan at interest of more than 5 million yuan month, 21st Century Business Herald reported, citing an unidentified source.

Zhejiang Center Group, founded in 1993, employs 3,000 people and produces 20 million pairs of glasses a year. Hu is also involved in the real estate and solar power industries. He owes a total of 10 million yuan in employees' salary for their work in August and September.

Wenzhou businesswoman Zheng Zhuju was not so fleet-footed - she has been in police custody since the middle of this month on charges of running illegal business operations. Zheng, who owes 280 million yuan to private lenders and banks, had attempted to flee Wenzhou with hundreds of millions of yuan in cash, Shanghai Daily reported, citing local police.

Zheng, 49, ran a home appliance store chain and was the official licensee to sell products under the brand names of Siemens, Sony, LG and domestic brands Midea and Haier.

The difficulty of borrowing money from banks, allied to rising production and labor costs, is threatening the survival of many SMEs, prompting many to turn to private lending despite the high interest rates, said Zhou of the SME Development Association.

"Many SMEs have turned to private sources and even loan sharks, who charge up to 180% annual interest. However, most of the SMEs' profit is less than 10%, so borrowing from loan sharks would amount to 'attempted suicide'," said Zhou.

Since the beginning of April, many SME owners have disappeared after failing to pay back money they'd borrowed from underground banks. Among them is Huang He, the chairman of Wenzhou Jiangnan Leather Co Ltd. Huang closed down his factory without warning in April, owing billions of yuan to workers and money lenders, a spokesman for the Longwan district economic development zone (EZD) in Wenzhou confirmed to Asia Times Online.

In July, Jubang Shoes Industry Co Ltd, run by Wang Hexia, unexpectedly ceased production, owing 100 million yuan to creditors, the EZD spokesman said. Just a month ago, Ye Jianle, boss of Wenzhou-based Zhejiang Tianshe Electronics Co, was also reported to have gone to ground after failing to pay 70 million yuan.

Wenzhou Shoes Material Co ceased production suddenly on August 29. There has been speculation in the mainland media that he is in trouble with an underwriting company.

"All those businessmen had been involved in borrowing money from underground banks and they failed to return the money on time given the increasing interest," Xu Liangxi, deputy director of the Wenzhou Marketing Management Association, told Asia Times Online. "But the shame is such cashflow problems have suffocated the firms that have been in operation for 10 to 20 years."

Private lending in Wenzhou has been booming since the country started monetary tightening late last year to fight inflation. The central bank has raised interest rates three times this year, taking the one-year benchmark deposit rate to 3.5% and the one-year lending rate to 6.56%. The bank has increased the reserve-requirement ratio for commercial lenders six times, pushing the ratio for major banks at a record 21.5%, and 19.5% for smaller ones 19.5%.

Yet as defaults by borrowers in the underground market mount, private money lenders are wary of the increasing risk of lending money to SMEs.

"The collapse of the underground banks would be the worst consequence for the private money lenders and borrowers in Wenzhou. Many ordinary people lend money to private money lenders," said Chen Gongmeng, chairman of Wenzhou Strategic Investors Federation.

Chen asked for the state-owned bank loans policy to be loosened so that more money can be lent to SMEs at lower interest rates than those offered by the gray-market lenders.

In July, Wenzhou's underground banks processed 110 billion yuan, up about 40% from the 80 billion yuan processed in the same month a year earlier and equal to more than one-third of the city's entire 2010 GDP of 292.56 billion yuan, according to the Wenzhou branch of the People's Bank of China.

About 89% of families or individuals in the city and about 57% of enterprises had either borrowed from or made deposits to non-bank finance companies in last year's second quarter, the most recent figures available from the People's Bank of China.

Since Monday, workers at Hu's Zhejiang Center Group have been getting their unpaid salaries with the help of a workforce set up by the local government. a spokesman of the Ouhai district economic development zone in Wenzhou said, while declining to say where the money was from.

China Daily on Friday quoted unidentified government sources as saying a financial task force has been sent to probe private lending in Wenzhou.
 
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Ive stayed in Red Deer Alberta which is about 3 hours drive from west edmonton mall. The difference is Canadians from the time they can first work, they are considered "actual consumers" because they are paid well. Even students have the money to spend. How much is the spending power of a chinese in china?.

Were you a Red Deer College alumni :confused:
 
Which books you want to see. The Happy book or The book they want others to believe?

How do you have AGM in a culture that have an unquestioning respect/fear for authority?



Do not forget the Australian property roadshows in China.

Have you read the news of these rich Chinese run roads?

Oct 1, 2011
China's debt-heavy bosses go on the run
By Olivia Chung

HONG KONG - A lending crisis is brewing ...............

.................China Daily on Friday quoted unidentified government sources as saying a financial task force has been sent to probe private lending in Wenzhou.

If female infanticide, and other hideous crimes are simply blinked at in the Middle Kingdom, I supposed fudging the book's figures is nothing to them.

Having said this, I am sure the majority of PRC citizens are regular law abiding ppl and work and live to uphold family name and human beliefs, but the country is so big and so populous that even a small minority of shitheads will amount to millions.

There is definitely a big exodus of money and ppl coming out from PRC. An ex-supervisor of mine at a factory I worked at is from Fukien Province and he told me that in NYC alone, there are as many as 200,000 illegal immigrants from his province alone!!! That number is nothing for them, but for anyone else, it is uncountable.

One night (we worked the night shift together) we were yakking along and he asked me how many troops can Sg mobilise in case of an attack. I haven't the slightest idea but I said we can field 50,000 trained soldiers in short notice. He started to laugh, and said, "50,000? You call that an army?" Having visited PRC since, I understand fully his statement and laughter when he said that.

Cheers!
 
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