Golden Period of migrating to Australia over

The_Hypocrite · Feb 5, 2014

who says Oz have a declining birthrate? The population Boom in WA is called the next boom...N other states are breeding like no tomorrow,,,Oz is the only OECD country where birthrate is above replacement level...

888Migration said:
Think about it this way. Australia is just like any other country with a declining birth rate. It is in the global market to attract the most skilled or most affluent to contribute or invest in the country.

The thread title is a bit misleading..... What makes Australia different from, say Singapore, is that it has been tightening it's control of its migration policy since the last Labor government took over. Increasing requirements and introducing caps, while Singapore is opening the floodgates.

With it's huge land mass, abundant natural resources and declining birth rate, Australia will always need people to fill jobs. In my opinion, the golden period of migrating to Australia is over only for people who have low qualifications or skills. Conversely, if you are highly qualified, the golden period has only just begun in the last few years as you will still be in demand in the Australian job market and not be competing with people who depress wages due to their lower skill levels.

In the long run, it will only benefit Australia and those living here as skills and technology improve, the standards of living improve, less people will be on welfare, there can be greater expenditure on building the nation for future generations. Ask yourself this question, do you want to your children to grow up in a well planned democratic society or one with myopic vision that plugs holes as and only when they appear?

888Migration · Feb 6, 2014

The_Hypocrite said:
who says Oz have a declining birthrate? The population Boom in WA is called the next boom...N other states are breeding like no tomorrow,,,Oz is the only OECD country where birthrate is above replacement level...

Apart from indigenous Australians, most Gen Y families are smaller than previous generations. If you read the DIBP and ABS annual reports for population growth, you will find that Australia has an aging workforce and the replacement rates of certain trades and professions cannot meet the current and expected demand.

The reason for the population boom in WA is due to the mining in the state, which has led to the growth in other industries too. People from interstate and overseas are finding Western Australia attractive in terms of job prospects, wages and lifestyle. The state government has done well to diversify the economy over the last 10 years, until now where WA is basically the biggest source feeding the federal budget.....

Here are three interesting articles which show how immigration is reshaping the population dynamics and economy of Australia:

New data shows six million born overseas

WA has most migrants

Immigration Influx Buoys Australia as Mining Boom Fades: Economy

Another 2 articles that calls for more immigration to fill Australia's skills shortages:

Call to lift migrant intake as skills crunch looms

Skilled migrants needed for the jobs locals shun

The_Hypocrite · Feb 6, 2014

http://www.sciencewa.net.au/topics/...nus-increases-wa-birth-rate-128-per-cent.htmlRESEARCH on the baby bonus maternity payment shows birth rates in Western Australia have increased by 12.8 per cent since its introduction in 2004.UWA and Telethon Institute for Child Health Researcher Dr Kristjana Einarsdottir, headed the study of 200,659 birth admissions during 2001–2008.
The research found women between the ages 20–25 years showed the highest increase in birth rates.
Also, mothers having their third or fourth child increased—with this demographic being especially evident in regional and remote areas.
The research also found birth rates increased in public hospitals but declined in private hospitals.
This is expected to be due to young women (20–25 years) and women having their third or fourth child in regional areas are less likely to have private health.
Interestingly, the data shows minimal expected differences in birth rate increases between high and low socio-economic backgrounds.
Statistical data reported by Dr Einarsdottir used interrupted time-series analyses to estimate the average quarterly birth rates in WA before (pre-BB) and after (post-BB) the baby bonus implementation and compared the post-BB rates with rates that would have been expected had the policy not occurred post 2004.
“We estimated average quarterly birth rates after the baby bonus introduction and compared them with expected rates had the policy not occurred,” says Dr Einarsdottir.
Most of the data for the study was obtained from the WA Department of Health, WA Midwives Notification System (2001 – 2008) and the WA Hospital Morbidity Data Collection and Data Linkage Branch.
Both live and still born infants were included in the study population and multiple births were counted as singular.
The research also shows the birth increases have caused an encumbrance on public hospitals and staff demands.
This is particularly evident in hospitals in regional and remote centres.
Retaining obstetricians in these areas continues to be a major concern.
The declining fertility rate in Western Australia [and Australia] was the stimulus for awarding the $5000 baby bonus however in 2009 it was reviewed and subsequently restricted to low and middle income families and changed to bi-weekly payments.
“These recent changes in legislation and the introduction of paid parental leave are likely to change future birth trends in Western Australia,” says Dr Einarsdottir.

888Migration said:
Apart from indigenous Australians, most Gen Y families are smaller than previous generations. If you read the DIBP and ABS annual reports for population growth, you will find that Australia has an aging workforce and the replacement rates of certain trades and professions cannot meet the current and expected demand.

The reason for the population boom in WA is due to the mining in the state, which has led to the growth in other industries too. People from interstate and overseas are finding Western Australia attractive in terms of job prospects, wages and lifestyle. The state government has done well to diversify the economy over the last 10 years, until now where WA is basically the biggest source feeding the federal budget.....

Here are three interesting articles which show how immigration is reshaping the population dynamics and economy of Australia:

New data shows six million born overseas

WA has most migrants

Immigration Influx Buoys Australia as Mining Boom Fades: Economy

Another 2 articles that calls for more immigration to fill Australia's skills shortages:

Call to lift migrant intake as skills crunch looms

Skilled migrants needed for the jobs locals shun

The_Hypocrite · Feb 6, 2014

http://www.australiaforum.com/infor...ralia-set-to-see-rapid-population-growth.html

Western Australia set to see rapid population growth

Western Australia’s population is projected to almost double in size by 2040, from 2.4 million people in 2012 to 4.7 million

Melbourne and Sydney should be neck and neck by 2053 with each having a population of 7.9 million and Queensland will go from 4.6 million people to 7.3 million, according to Bjorn Jarvis, director of demography at the ABS
‘Based on our projections, with medium growth, Australia will double its population by the year 2075. But under our high and low scenarios it could be as early as 2058, or after 2101,’ explained Jarvis.

‘Highlights from the ABS projections include Perth overtaking Brisbane in 2028, at three million people, and then 10 years later, the Australian Capital Territory overtaking Tasmania with its population growing from 375,000 to 586,000,’ he added.Western Australia’s population is projected to almost double in size by 2040, from 2.4 million people in 2012 to 4.7 million while the population of the Northern Territory is projected to grow from 240,000 people in 2012 to 360,000 people in 2040, a 51% increase.



The projection for Victoria is an increase from 5.6 million to 8.4 million, growth of 50% and for New South Wales 7.3 million to 9.9 million, a rise of 35%. South Australia is projected to have growth of 26% from 1.7 million to 2.1 million.
Population projections are based on assumptions of future levels of fertility, life expectancy and migration, which are guided by recent population trends.
‘The ageing of Australia’s population as a result of sustained low fertility, combined with increasing life expectancy is likely to continue. In 2012 Australia’s median age was 37 years old but by 2040 it could be 40.5 years,’ said Jarvis.
In addition, the number of people aged 65 and over is projected to double, from 3.2 million people, 14% of the population, in 2012 to 6.8 million or 20% of the population by 2040.
Similarly, the number of people aged 85 years and over is projected to almost triple by 2040, increasing by 770,000 people to reach 1.2 million in 2040. By then, people aged 85 years or over will make up 4% of Australia’s population compared to only 2% in 2012.

The_Hypocrite · Feb 6, 2014

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]?OpenDocument

MEDIA RELEASE
24 October 2013	Embargo: 11:30 am (Canberra Time)	180/2013

Number of teenage mothers lowest in a decade

Fewer Australian women under the age of 20 are having babies than they were a decade earlier, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).

The Births, Australia, 2012 publication shows that in 2012, 11,420 babies were born to teenage mothers, down from 12,932 just a few years earlier in 2008.

Director of Demography, Bjorn Jarvis, said the fertility rate of teenage mothers has decreased to 16.1 babies per 1000 women in 2012, down from 17.4 in 2002.

"In contrast, we have seen the number of births to mothers over 40 continue to increase," Mr Jarvis said.
“The total fertility rate in Australia for 2012 was 1.93 babies per woman; higher than the record low of 1.74 in 2001 but still below the recent peak of 2.02 in 2008.
The Northern Territory had the highest fertility rate at 2.21 babies per woman, while the Australian Capital Territory had the lowest at 1.79.
The median age of all mothers was 30.7 years in 2012, whereas the median age of all fathers was 33 years," Mr Jarvis added.
More details can be found inBirths, Australia, 2012 (cat. no. 3301.0). State, territory and sub-state information is also available for free download from the ABS website (www.abs.gov.au).

Media notes:

Population fertility rates measure a community's actual reproductive outcomes - a concept of adding to the population through live births. Still births are not added to the population and therefore are not counted in this context, however, are reported in Perinatal Deaths, Australia (cat. no. 3304.0).
The total fertility rate represents the average number of babies that a woman could expect to bear during her reproductive lifetime if current fertility rates continue.
Please ensure when reporting on ABS data that you attribute the Australian Bureau of Statistics (or ABS) as the source.

BIRTHS, SUMMARY STATISTICS

	2002	2011	2012(a)	Change (%) 2002–2012	Change (%) 2011–2012

Australia(b)
Births (no.)	250 988	301 617	309 582	23.3	2.6
Total fertility rate(c)	1.771	1.917	1.933
Median age of mother (years)	30.2	30.6	30.7
Median age of father (years)	32.5	33.0	33.0

New South Wales
Births (no.)	86 583	99 054	98 508	13.8	-0.6
Total fertility rate(c)	1.813	1.963	1.932
Median age of mother (years)	30.3	30.9	30.9
Median age of father (years)	32.6	33.3	33.3

Victoria
Births (no.)	61 478	71 444	77 405	25.9	8.3
Total fertility rate(c)	1.697	1.778	1.891
Median age of mother (years)	31.0	31.4	31.3
Median age of father (years)	33.0	33.6	33.5

Queensland
Births (no.)	47 771	63 253	63 837	33.6	0.9
Total fertility rate(c)	1.814	2.017	1.997
Median age of mother (years)	29.5	29.8	29.8
Median age of father (years)	31.7	32.0	32.0

South Australia
Births (no.)	17 665	19 892	20 433	15.7	2.7
Total fertility rate(c)	1.735	1.868	1.898
Median age of mother (years)	30.4	30.3	30.3
Median age of father (years)	32.6	32.7	32.6

Western Australia
Births (no.)	23 601	32 259	33 627	42.5	4.2
Total fertility rate(c)	1.699	1.918	1.913
Median age of mother (years)	29.9	30.3	30.3
Median age of father (years)	32.2	32.7	32.7

Tasmania
Births (no.)	6 003	6 608	6 168	2.7	-6.7
Total fertility rate(c)	1.968	2.155	2.036
Median age of mother (years)	28.9	29.4	29.5
Median age of father (years)	31.3	31.8	31.8

Northern Territory
Births (no.)	3 724	3 954	4 104	10.2	3.8
Total fertility rate(c)	2.226	2.147	2.206
Median age of mother (years)	28.1	28.5	28.6
Median age of father (years)	31.6	31.5	31.4

Australian Capital Territory
Births (no.)	4 112	5 121	5 461	32.8	6.6
Total fertility rate(c)	1.571	1.735	1.794
Median age of mother (years)	30.7	31.5	31.3
Median age of father (years)	32.8	33.6	33.4

(a) Fertility rates for 2012 have been calculated using preliminary 30 June 2012 Estimated Resident Population based on results from the 2011 Census.
(b) Includes Other Territories
(c) Babies per woman. The total fertility rate represents the average number of babies that a woman could expect to bear during her reproductive lifetime if current fertility rates continue.

The_Hypocrite · Feb 11, 2014

[video=youtube;LV4GU1Gpy0s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV4GU1Gpy0s[/video]

Indian students returning to Australia

888Migration · Feb 12, 2014

Australians students turn away from accounting

What the article didn't mention is that the Accounting occupation has been flagged by the Department of Immigration every year for the last few years. Despite this, the three assessing authorities for accounting in Australia have collectively maintained the stance that Australia is short of skilled Accountants...... and this is the only view that matters in terms of migration, as the Dept of Immigration relies heavily on the 3 authorities for advice on the industry's position.

neddy · Feb 14, 2014

Ash007 said:
Indeed, you get to see them doing effective things from time to time. I'm in a workplace where QA/testing, originally outsourced to India for manual testing that takes 1-2 weeks for a cycle using 10-20 people, we did it over here with just one, with 2-3 times the amount of tests in 2 hours. Singapore might be efficient, but are they effective? Sometimes less is more.

Singapore think that they are efficient, but just call one of the call centres and it seems to take forever for them to pick up your calls.
And where are the taxis when you need them.

And these are daily occurrences, and waste a lot of my time.

Ash007 · Feb 14, 2014

Efficiency is about doing things right, effectiveness is doing the right thing. Yes, Singapore is very efficient, but is it effective?

neddy said:
Singapore think that they are efficient, but just call one of the call centres and it seems to take forever for them to pick up your calls.
And where are the taxis when you need them.

And these are daily occurrences, and waste a lot of my time.

valiant20 · Feb 14, 2014

Ash007 said:
Efficiency is about doing things right, effectiveness is doing the right thing. Yes, Singapore is very efficient, but is it effective?

Bro Ash007, I think Bro Neddy meant Singapore thinks India is very efficient. Not Singapore thinks Singapore is very efficient (though that thought is not wrong too, but they're not as effective) :smile:

Here's an article for the rising cost of Perth, and according to the article the city with the highest cost of living (due to the mining boom) in Australia

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/21409119/high-cost-perth/

Perth is Australia's most expensive city and one of the priciest in the world as the cost of living spirals higher.

An international breakdown of prices from bread to coffee to imported beer shows Perth is the dearest Australian capital.

And the city is more expensive than global centres such as New York and Tokyo.

The figures are based on data from the Numbeo website that collates real-time prices around the world and has the biggest collection of data of its type.

Numbeo's price index puts Perth about 7 per cent dearer than Sydney, the nation's second most expensive major capital.

Some higher costs are day-to-day purchases. Perth's average milk price at $1.63 a litre is well above the $1.47 in Sydney and $1.48 in Melbourne.

Chicken breasts, apples, local beer and oranges are all more expensive in Perth than elsewhere.

And once out of the kitchen, Perth prices really take off.

Our dearest coffee is notorious at an average $4.43 for a cappuccino in the city - the most expensive in the country and up with London ($4.40) and Tokyo ($4.13).

The situation is the same with restaurant meals.

Numbeo's analysis puts the cost of three courses for a couple in a mid-range restaurant in Perth at $100. In Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Canberra the same night out is closer to $80.

Beer can be $3 more in Perth restaurants and bottled water will cost on average about 7 per cent more than in Sydney.

A pair of jeans is $20 dearer in Perth than Hobart and about $5 more than in Melbourne.

The average price for Nike shoes is more than $160 in Perth but $9 cheaper in Sydney.

Perth's only saving grace is property with rents and buying prices still lower than Sydney.

Chamber of Commerce and Industry WA chief economist John Nicolaou said Numbeo's findings confirmed Perth was a high-cost place to live and do business.

Labour was "without doubt" the main contributor but Perth's isolation meant costs such as freight and logistics were often dearer.

"WA's rapid development has put further pressure on ageing infrastructure and driven up labour costs," Mr Nicolaou said.

He suggested the Federal and State governments could ease some costs through labour ref-orms, less red tape and addressing infrastructure shortfalls.

Australian Hotels Association WA chief executive Bradley Woods said factors behind Perth costs could include isolation, the cost of transport and unnecessary regulations.

He said surveys in the food and beverage industry revealed WA profits were no higher than in the east, suggesting genuine reasons for higher prices in WA.

Mr Woods said the mining boom resulted in higher wages.

"We've got to be very mindful that we don't outprice ourselves . . . and still offer value for money," he said.

"Higher prices are a careful balancing act between viability for business operators and service providers and ensuring it's not a disincentive for people to live and visit."

Australian Retailers Association executive director Russell Zimmerman was surprised at the findings because Sydney retailers had the highest tenancy costs.

He suspected transport costs, mining boom flow-on effects and higher labour costs were behind Perth's higher prices.

Tourism Council WA chief exe-cutive Evan Hall said Consumer Price Index statistics consistently showed Perth was not the most expensive Australian city.

Curtin University cultural studies professor Jon Stratton said the perception that Perth people earned lots of money could contribute to higher prices.

The figures come as ABS data released yesterday showed Perth house prices rose another 3.5 per cent in the December quarter.

Community Housing Coalition WA chief executive Barry Doyle said this reflected an "alarming level" of inflation in the cost of WA home ownership.

Ash007 · Feb 15, 2014

Anyone that thinks India, or. Indians are efficient or even effective should have their heads checked.

valiant20 · Feb 15, 2014

Ash007 said:
Anyone that thinks India, or. Indians are efficient or even effective should have their heads checked.

Agreeing with you mate

neddy · Feb 15, 2014

valiant20 said:
Agreeing with you mate

I never mention anything about Indians.

But you want Indians, I give you a logistics/distribution Case Study

http://signalvnoise.com/posts/2882-the-incredible-delivery-system-of-indias-dabbawallahs

Every day, approximately 4,000 dabbawallahs deliver 160,000 home-cooked lunches from the kitchens of suburban wives and mothers direct to Mumbai's workers in the world's most ingenious meal distribution system. Only 1 in 6 millions lunch tiffins go missing.

CheeByeKiaTonyChat · Feb 18, 2014

Easy to spot so many migrant fucktards in this thread. Neddy is their fucktard leader. Chow aus chink.

The_Hypocrite · Feb 19, 2014

see on tv tat even mba students learn from them. guess this is one of the few indian things tat work.

neddy said:
I never mention anything about Indians.

But you want Indians, I give you a logistics/distribution Case Study

http://signalvnoise.com/posts/2882-the-incredible-delivery-system-of-indias-dabbawallahs

Every day, approximately 4,000 dabbawallahs deliver 160,000 home-cooked lunches from the kitchens of suburban wives and mothers direct to Mumbai's workers in the world's most ingenious meal distribution system. Only 1 in 6 millions lunch tiffins go missing.

CheeByeKiaTonyChat · Feb 19, 2014

Easy to spot so many migrant fucktards in this thread. Neddy is their fucktard leader. Chow Aussie chink.

neddy · Feb 24, 2014

The_Hypocrite said:
All the best to you Neddy,,and Merry Xmas,,,,come to think of it,,kind of dulan the ang mors now,,some left wing bleeding hear liberal asshole became 'anti merry xmas' and now most will just say happy xmas as merry xmas encourages people to drink,,,what kind of BS reasoning is that???

Only in Church will they say Merry Xmas...

Cant find my past post about my new job.
Anyway, I was pushed from my old position by a smooth talking Pom.

But when I was invited to kopi with my ex-boss, he was telling me about the mess that his Brit bulldog did to him.
Thanks to our overqualified Pommie friend. He is asking me to help, almost begging.

No, I will not return to help him. He has to headhunt someone else, an American expat working in Singapore is what he has in mind next. Singaporeans saved his arse before, so he is looking for someone with a Singapore background.

Somehow, we are able to read consequences which these Aussies failed, esp the 2nd rated ones left behind in Perth. The really smart Aussies are overseas. So, it is a lot more fun working here. One of the jokes is how the air-con man was called because the air-con gave out hot air in summer. Our air-con technician reminded the managers that air-con does not switch to cold air automatically in summer. You have to change the mode from heat to cold. LOL!

I also heard that the prima donna from my last job had quitted her job. I knew that she was not up to it.
Because there are not enough projects around, this woman stole my project and undercut the budget by over $1mil. She got the job BUT not me, cause my cost is higher. My ex-boss asked me where did I went wrong. I did not, she just wanted to win this project and stayed in her job.

In good times, if she ran out of fund, she can downscope her project or request for extra funding to continue, citing inflation and other BS.

This is lean times, before I left my last job, I sent out a mini bomb to the gossip vine-line about her project. It blew up and now, she had decided to leave Perth and return to motherland Wales. She is in her 50s, angry, brain-fucked, single, with an arse the size of 1½ economy airline seats. Her hobby was rearing lambs or ewes for investment. She is unemployable.

That is why I say, Dont Get Angry, Get Even. No point being a keyboard warrior. It does not get you anywhere.

neddy · Feb 26, 2014

Tomorrow is the big day.

We will judge the past performance of RBA in devaluing the AUD$.

When ABS releases its Capex survey, it will provide us with our first look at investment expectations for this and next financial year.

I expect that mining investment will drop off sharply, creating a significant hole in GDP growth.

So far exports, consumption and residential investment will be unable to fill the mining investment gap.

This Capex survey could be a bit of a game changer for the Australian economic outlook.

The first economic recession in 22 years is just round the corner.

According to the ABS definition, a person who has worked for one hour or more for payment or someone who has worked without pay in a family business, is considered employed regardless of whether they consider themselves employed or not.

The ABS definition also details that if a respondent is not actively looking for work (ie: applying for work, answering job advertisements, being registered with Centre-link or tendering for work), they are not considered to be unemployed.

The Roy Morgan survey, in contrast, defines any respondent who is not employed full or part-time and who is looking for paid employment as being unemployed…

Since Roy Morgan uses a broader definition of unemployment than the ABS, it necessarily reports a higher unemployment figure. In addition, Roy Morgan’s measure tends to be far more volatile, owing to the fact that it draws on a smaller sample than the ABS and is not seasonally adjusted.

tanwahtiu · Mar 22, 2014

There are more Chinese jobs than angmoh jobs. Chinese are enterprising people, start from scratch and go up all the way.

Already many Chinese developers build hundred of units in one land, angmoh no fight still building 6 storey and less only.

You are one of them in the angmoh world, still no gripe at the Chinese. Angmohs are working for Chinese companies now in many areas.

Language? Yes if you work for angmoh companies English number 1, work for Chinese companies Chinese number 1. Chinese fare better many are bi-lingual these days and given another 10 years you have to pick up some Chinese to survive in Australia.

These days Chinese companies published their businesses on their Chinese newspapers, no need to go to English newspapers to advertise. One country 2 different world.

Ash007 said:
1. People are not even talking PR visa now but 457 Temp residency. Just met a Chinese couple that came here on 457. Things gonna get tough for them.

2. Cost of living depends where, what you want. Want to drive a 5 series BMW? or white Toyota? Want to live in a suburb with a lot of asians? Private schools? There are still plenty of affordable place in Sydney, you just have to know and willing to move there. Shit now, doesn't mean its going to be shit in the future. Already, I'm seeing a 100K increase in my property compared to a year ago. The house right opposite mine is asking the same price as when I got mine, and I have a much bigger land and house!

3. This one is starting to happen. A lot of these new migrants from China has a language deficit. That is not to say they are incapable. We recently have a new position open. Chinese migrants have 10-20 years in big, global companies. However, during the interview, communication in english is highlighted as inadequate. Given that we had over 100s of resume for one position, why do we need to hire someone where we have difficulty communicating with. Having said that, the ah nehs are better at that, but when probed about their work experience, it just fell straight through. Singaporean, has the advantage of both, or disadvantage of both, depending what they have done back home.

neddy · Mar 23, 2014

tanwahtiu said:
There are more Chinese jobs than angmoh jobs. Chinese are enterprising people, start from scratch and go up all the way.

Already many Chinese developers build hundred of units in one land, angmoh no fight still building 6 storey and less only.

You are one of them in the angmoh world, still no gripe at the Chinese. Angmohs are working for Chinese companies now in many areas.

Language? Yes if you work for angmoh companies English number 1, work for Chinese companies Chinese number 1. Chinese fare better many are bi-lingual these days and given another 10 years you have to pick up some Chinese to survive in Australia.

These days Chinese companies published their businesses on their Chinese newspapers, no need to go to English newspapers to advertise. One country 2 different world.

Apartments are for asians only. Of course you have to build hundreds on a block, otherwise the high strata fees will kill the owners.

Low rise is due to council planning restrictions.

Not all OZ cities have enough population base to sell within the same ethnic groups.

Golden Period of migrating to Australia over

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