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Goh Meng Seng got big ego!
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I do not hide here and there like that. Someone added it and since my name and party are mentioned, it is only appropriate for me to make it clear that there are adaptation and modifications made to Dr Sun's ideology. The initial add most probably done by Wiki staff, not me.
Goh Men Seng
Goh Men Seng
Parties sometimes use a key personality to promote their party if necessary. PAP uses Lee Kuan Yew and old guards, WP uses Marshall, RP Jeyaretnam the father, SDP, SPP and Singfirst their leaders who are quite well known.
PPP being new and having no famous names, wants to use someone who is a household name but whom Singaporeans may not be able to connect and identify with, who was never Singaporean or had much to do with Singapore. Good luck.
PPP being new and having no famous names, wants to use someone who is a household name but whom Singaporeans may not be able to connect and identify with, who was never Singaporean or had much to do with Singapore. Good luck.
Continue your Minister-Specific Strategy and whack them hard hard jialat jialat this time.
It doesn't really matter. May the strongest team win!
However, situation doesn't look bright for all opposition parties though. Most likely we will end up with one or two SMCs for opposition only. The ever lasting, never ending Town Council saga has inevitably damaged opposition as a whole, eroding middle ground voters' confidence in all opposition parties.
Whether we like it or not, WP's credibility has been severely dented, so do all other political parties' by virtue of the fact of "opposition affiliations". PAP just need a mere 5% swing against WP and thus, they will win back Aljunied GRC. When LTK declared "Nobody wants to work for me, Prime Minister!", that's the end of opposition. How can WP convince middle ground voters in other constituencies to vote for WP if they know WP will face problem in getting people to work for them to run their Town Councils?
Thus, I think WP's intended expansions into other people's territories will only be destructive to the progress of democratic development. Even if WP managed to win all the 23 seats which they have contested in last GE, it will be doubtful that they can handle all the Town Councils which will come with such victories!
Thus, it is only logical for WP to keep it small and not intrude into other people's territories, lest it would be seen very negatively by both voters as well as other opposition parties. It just cannot swallow more than it can eat, else it risks choking itself to death. What WP needs to do now is to consolidate itself and defends its current turfs that it holds.
If WP has performed well in parliament, maybe then middle ground voters would still consider to continue to support them, despite of their poor performance in TC management. I would have supported them as well by giving way to them. However, it has both poor or mediocre performances in and out of parliament, I do not think it is justifiable for us to support its expansion effort. WP should just focus and concentrate on those places which it has contested in GE2011 instead of expanding into other places unnecessarily. It has lost the moral ground to do so and it should not try to go into unnecessary multi-corner fights with other parties.
It would be even wiser for WP to reduce the number of seats it will contest in the coming GE. This will reaffirm itself as a "responsible" opposition party which will not try to win more seats when it has shown its weaknesses in managing its current ones. This may help WP to gain back confidence from the middle ground voters and win more seats instead.
PAP will have a field day using TC management as their KEY Election issue in the coming GE, exploiting it as the Natural HIGHER ENTRY BARRIER for all opposition parties. PAP will not want to debate on all other key policy issues and will be happy to use this TC management as a diversion tactic. Thus, it is only in the interests of all opposition parties that WP scale down its number of contests so to convince voters that TC management will not be a problem if WP only focus on running just a few constituencies.
In fact, it would give voters more confident in voting in any opposition parties if they are not too ambitious in too many candidates. With the introduction of a couple of new parties, this may mean that all seats will still be contested with all parties maintaining small number of candidates slated for contest.
Town Council management has never been a problem for opposition in the past 25 years, why is it an issue now? At its peak, SDP has run THREE Town Councils concurrently and we did not see any problems arising with it. So why now?
Opposition should not let PAP to exploit the TC issue as the key elections issue. This can only be done when all opposition parties are not too ambitious in fielding their candidates. Big number of contests will no longer be a show of strength but rather, will become a source of FEAR for the voters: Can you handle all the TCs if you win all the seats? Thus, I am still hoping that opposition parties will cut down the number of candidates so that possibilities of multi-corner fights will be reduced tremendously.
Goh Meng Seng
However, situation doesn't look bright for all opposition parties though. Most likely we will end up with one or two SMCs for opposition only. The ever lasting, never ending Town Council saga has inevitably damaged opposition as a whole, eroding middle ground voters' confidence in all opposition parties.
Whether we like it or not, WP's credibility has been severely dented, so do all other political parties' by virtue of the fact of "opposition affiliations". PAP just need a mere 5% swing against WP and thus, they will win back Aljunied GRC. When LTK declared "Nobody wants to work for me, Prime Minister!", that's the end of opposition. How can WP convince middle ground voters in other constituencies to vote for WP if they know WP will face problem in getting people to work for them to run their Town Councils?
Thus, I think WP's intended expansions into other people's territories will only be destructive to the progress of democratic development. Even if WP managed to win all the 23 seats which they have contested in last GE, it will be doubtful that they can handle all the Town Councils which will come with such victories!
Thus, it is only logical for WP to keep it small and not intrude into other people's territories, lest it would be seen very negatively by both voters as well as other opposition parties. It just cannot swallow more than it can eat, else it risks choking itself to death. What WP needs to do now is to consolidate itself and defends its current turfs that it holds.
If WP has performed well in parliament, maybe then middle ground voters would still consider to continue to support them, despite of their poor performance in TC management. I would have supported them as well by giving way to them. However, it has both poor or mediocre performances in and out of parliament, I do not think it is justifiable for us to support its expansion effort. WP should just focus and concentrate on those places which it has contested in GE2011 instead of expanding into other places unnecessarily. It has lost the moral ground to do so and it should not try to go into unnecessary multi-corner fights with other parties.
It would be even wiser for WP to reduce the number of seats it will contest in the coming GE. This will reaffirm itself as a "responsible" opposition party which will not try to win more seats when it has shown its weaknesses in managing its current ones. This may help WP to gain back confidence from the middle ground voters and win more seats instead.
PAP will have a field day using TC management as their KEY Election issue in the coming GE, exploiting it as the Natural HIGHER ENTRY BARRIER for all opposition parties. PAP will not want to debate on all other key policy issues and will be happy to use this TC management as a diversion tactic. Thus, it is only in the interests of all opposition parties that WP scale down its number of contests so to convince voters that TC management will not be a problem if WP only focus on running just a few constituencies.
In fact, it would give voters more confident in voting in any opposition parties if they are not too ambitious in too many candidates. With the introduction of a couple of new parties, this may mean that all seats will still be contested with all parties maintaining small number of candidates slated for contest.
Town Council management has never been a problem for opposition in the past 25 years, why is it an issue now? At its peak, SDP has run THREE Town Councils concurrently and we did not see any problems arising with it. So why now?
Opposition should not let PAP to exploit the TC issue as the key elections issue. This can only be done when all opposition parties are not too ambitious in fielding their candidates. Big number of contests will no longer be a show of strength but rather, will become a source of FEAR for the voters: Can you handle all the TCs if you win all the seats? Thus, I am still hoping that opposition parties will cut down the number of candidates so that possibilities of multi-corner fights will be reduced tremendously.
Goh Meng Seng
Another post singling out WP. Guess some people will never change focus even if they change hats.
In the past, the opposition lost votes because some opposition people think Singaporeans were more ready for chaos than they were. Today a ragtag opposition of 9 parties and now someone adds one more to the 9 making it look more ragtag and splintered and does not inspire confidence. All these actions were not caused by WP or the strongest party at that time. But these incidents do not matter because to someone, only WP is to blame, period, no arguments.
As if statements like "we all won't win because of one party" or "I form party but may not contest election" are not self-defeating.
These comments make the assumption that if opposition parties besides WP win, they will do well at parliament and town council. The last time opposition won a handful of seats in 1991, by 1997 the attrition rate was 50%.
Contest less seats to boost confidence? Which scientist's theory is that? International political observers will laugh at this man.
Rubbish. 2 seats were lost and this is not a problem.
Or rather, cut down the number of candidates so that fragmentization contributors like PPP will benefit.
In the past, the opposition lost votes because some opposition people think Singaporeans were more ready for chaos than they were. Today a ragtag opposition of 9 parties and now someone adds one more to the 9 making it look more ragtag and splintered and does not inspire confidence. All these actions were not caused by WP or the strongest party at that time. But these incidents do not matter because to someone, only WP is to blame, period, no arguments.
As if statements like "we all won't win because of one party" or "I form party but may not contest election" are not self-defeating.
These comments make the assumption that if opposition parties besides WP win, they will do well at parliament and town council. The last time opposition won a handful of seats in 1991, by 1997 the attrition rate was 50%.
Contest less seats to boost confidence? Which scientist's theory is that? International political observers will laugh at this man.
Rubbish. 2 seats were lost and this is not a problem.
Or rather, cut down the number of candidates so that fragmentization contributors like PPP will benefit.
Kan Na Sai,
Goh Meng Seng the dua pua Xian didn't say this when he was the NSP chief in 2011 where they fielded the most number of candidates. Now that his PPP become the kacang puteh party, he suddenly change this tune.
This guy is a MIW in disguise. Look at how he flip flop prata, certainly a PAP trait.
Very good catch. Even I have a good eye for contradictions and didn't spot that.
Of course he can argue the conditions in 2011 were different. Nevertheless, always changing his tune.
Once clowns like Goh Meng Seng have edited a wiki entry, all credibility goes away
Actually I find that WP has helped lower the entry barrier for all opposition parties by shattering PAP's GRC glass ceiling in the last GE.
And now WP is helping to lower the entry barrier for all opposition parties in TC management for the next GE, by exposing PAP's dirty politics of using govt agencies and public money to fix opposition such as the AIM saga, the poor handover by PAP to WP, MND withholding public money to opposition TC etc.
MND using the courts to force WP to accept PAP appointed accountants to audit and fix AHPETC, another example of PAP's dirty politics.
Now that MND has lost the case against WP and the court has mandated MND to release public funds to AHPETC, MND's appeal looks like an attempt to further delay the release of the needed funds. Another example of PAP's dirty politics.
PAP's smearing of WP's TC as "unlawful" in the 154th media yet no charges are filed against WP, proves that WP did not break the law. Another example of PAP's dirty politics.
All the established TC managing agents did not tender for WP's TC for fear of offending PAP, that's why LTK said nobody wants to work for me. Fortunately for WP, they have an existing agent handling Hougang for many years so could continue operating. As a new party with no track record, will you be able to run a TC? This is the barrier PAP wants to imposed on the opposition.
I agree with you that it's far more important to field quality opposition candidates rather than quantity. This is why WP won Aljunied, they were able to field a quality team. Field quality opposition candidates is vital to defeating PAP in the GE.
I find that the success of WP has given renewed optimism to the opposition efforts, more and more Singaporeans are open to supporting the opposition and voting against the PAP.
And now WP is helping to lower the entry barrier for all opposition parties in TC management for the next GE, by exposing PAP's dirty politics of using govt agencies and public money to fix opposition such as the AIM saga, the poor handover by PAP to WP, MND withholding public money to opposition TC etc.
MND using the courts to force WP to accept PAP appointed accountants to audit and fix AHPETC, another example of PAP's dirty politics.
Now that MND has lost the case against WP and the court has mandated MND to release public funds to AHPETC, MND's appeal looks like an attempt to further delay the release of the needed funds. Another example of PAP's dirty politics.
PAP's smearing of WP's TC as "unlawful" in the 154th media yet no charges are filed against WP, proves that WP did not break the law. Another example of PAP's dirty politics.
All the established TC managing agents did not tender for WP's TC for fear of offending PAP, that's why LTK said nobody wants to work for me. Fortunately for WP, they have an existing agent handling Hougang for many years so could continue operating. As a new party with no track record, will you be able to run a TC? This is the barrier PAP wants to imposed on the opposition.
I agree with you that it's far more important to field quality opposition candidates rather than quantity. This is why WP won Aljunied, they were able to field a quality team. Field quality opposition candidates is vital to defeating PAP in the GE.
I find that the success of WP has given renewed optimism to the opposition efforts, more and more Singaporeans are open to supporting the opposition and voting against the PAP.
Political situations changed extremely fast. For last elections, voters do not consider TC management as main problem and even WP will confidently say they have the experiences in TC management to run their TC if they win in Aljuied GRC. This might sound convincing during last GE, but now, no more.
When you can gain confidence from voters, naturally it is logical to contest more seats to project your strength. Similarly, it will be counter intuitive to contest more seats when you have shown that TC management can be screwed up! Just simple as that.
More small parties or not, doesn't really matter to voters. This has been shown in 1997 when Uncle Chiam left SDP and joined the newly formed SPP to contest.
Goh Meng Seng
When you can gain confidence from voters, naturally it is logical to contest more seats to project your strength. Similarly, it will be counter intuitive to contest more seats when you have shown that TC management can be screwed up! Just simple as that.
More small parties or not, doesn't really matter to voters. This has been shown in 1997 when Uncle Chiam left SDP and joined the newly formed SPP to contest.
Goh Meng Seng
Please don't taint Uncle Chiam's name by comparing yourself to him. You are not fit to even carry his shoes. Kan Na Sai. Limpei see you as a PAP mole. :oIo:
Quote Originally Posted by Goh Meng Seng View Post
TKL is not the one who should worry about his deposit. TCB and TJS are the ones who should be worried about their deposits. Put it simply, TJS are playing the opposition mode which he hopes to garner those 40% of voters who have voted opposition. However, he is gravely mistaken because those who have voted opposition in GE2011 consists of only 20% or less of hardcore anti-PAP while the other are made up of swing voters who are generally the silent majority.
Goh Meng Seng
Quote Originally Posted by Goh Meng Seng View Post
As for TKL, I can only tell you that losing deposit is within expectation though we hope for the best. It is unfortunate as study is done before TJS stepped in. Not everyone is born politician but that doesnt mean that they are no good ans definitely, it doesnt mean those born politician are better in anyways. I still stick with my choice based on core values I believed in.
Goh Meng Seng
So how? Losing deposit is within or beyond expectation
Mr prata flipper aka Goh Meng Seng
TKL is not the one who should worry about his deposit. TCB and TJS are the ones who should be worried about their deposits. Put it simply, TJS are playing the opposition mode which he hopes to garner those 40% of voters who have voted opposition. However, he is gravely mistaken because those who have voted opposition in GE2011 consists of only 20% or less of hardcore anti-PAP while the other are made up of swing voters who are generally the silent majority.
Goh Meng Seng
Quote Originally Posted by Goh Meng Seng View Post
As for TKL, I can only tell you that losing deposit is within expectation though we hope for the best. It is unfortunate as study is done before TJS stepped in. Not everyone is born politician but that doesnt mean that they are no good ans definitely, it doesnt mean those born politician are better in anyways. I still stick with my choice based on core values I believed in.
Goh Meng Seng
So how? Losing deposit is within or beyond expectation
Mr prata flipper aka Goh Meng Seng 
Why he still got time to edit wiki pages?
I thought he is suppose to prepare for elections?
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which politician does not hv big ego?
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