Gangs of New York by Martin Scorsese

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Reflect: Singapore is what New York was 1850s??? But this movie fascinates now more than in 2002 when it was released. I wonder why??

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Boss Tweed: That's the building of our country right there, Mr. Cutting. Americans aborning.
Bill: I don't see no Americans. I see trespassers, Irish harps. Do a job for a nickel what a nigger does for a dime and a white man used to get a quarter for. What have they done? Name one thing they've contributed.
Boss Tweed: Votes.
Bill: Votes, you say? They vote how the archbishop tells them, and who tells the archbishop? Their king in the pointy hat what sits on his throne in Rome.
 
No lah in the movie gangs that's real racism. Do you know those english guys in those days used to go down right at the docks and harrass the new immigrants by shouting or even assaulting them. They openly call blacks niggers cos those were the early days. This type of shit never happens in singapore. When have you ever seen a sinkie openly harrassing a non sinkie here?
 
No lah in the movie gangs that's real racism. Do you know those english guys in those days used to go down right at the docks and harrass the new immigrants by shouting or even assaulting them. They openly call blacks niggers cos those were the early days. This type of shit never happens in singapore. When have you ever seen a sinkie openly harrassing a non sinkie here?

Singaporeans respect the rights of everyone else.

Except their own.

Cheers!
 
No lah in the movie gangs that's real racism. Do you know those english guys in those days used to go down right at the docks and harrass the new immigrants by shouting or even assaulting them. They openly call blacks niggers cos those were the early days. This type of shit never happens in singapore. When have you ever seen a sinkie openly harrassing a non sinkie here?
This point is not gangs nor racism, but nativism and immigrants during the 1850s when irish came to new york in thousands. many were drafted into the Union army and sent to Tennesee
 
This point is not gangs nor racism, but nativism and immigrants during the 1850s when irish came to new york in thousands. many were drafted into the Union army and sent to Tennesee

You're saying the irish were naive to come to the US? FYI ireland had the great potato famine and other problems. Many europeans also immigranted to the US. If the US wasn't such a great place why would they migrate there?
 
You're saying the irish were naive to come to the US? FYI ireland had the great potato famine and other problems. Many europeans also immigranted to the US. If the US wasn't such a great place why would they migrate there?

"Native"? "Naive"?
 
You're saying the irish were naive to come to the US? FYI ireland had the great potato famine and other problems. Many europeans also immigranted to the US. If the US wasn't such a great place why would they migrate there?
The story is lost if you put the irish outfront. The point is the natives and Tammany Hall especially Boss Tweed.
 
your are right bro, the movie is about nativism or those born and bred in the US. The irish were a source of votes for Tammany Hall, where that bearded man in the movie Boss Tweed sought.

Never been to New york but I've heard from friends who have. Ellis Island was the holding place for thousands of "the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free".. I will visit it one day.
 
I just could not relate your question to Salahpark's post. No problemo.


well his post is kind of confusing. This thread is sort of comparing sg to the US in the 1860s. He talks about nativism but then goes on to talk about irish immigrants being drafted into the army thereby explaining their usefulness for the new country. In this case it's very different from sg's context since very few new immigrants actually serve in the saf.
 
No lah in the movie gangs that's real racism. Do you know those english guys in those days used to go down right at the docks and harrass the new immigrants by shouting or even assaulting them. They openly call blacks niggers cos those were the early days. This type of shit never happens in singapore. When have you ever seen a sinkie openly harrassing a non sinkie here?

In those days, the Catholic Irish and Italians weren't considered white in New England. The niggers were not even considered human.
 
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In those days, the Catholic Irish and Italians weren't considered white in New England. The niggers were not even considered human.

Yeah that is correct. The term white was slowly extended to everyone residing in europe over time even though southern europeans tend to have tanned skin although those living on the fringes of eastern europe like turkey always have their "whiteness" called into question. It's even worse that ppl that come from countries not even in europe try to pass themselves off as white like north indians.
 
Singaporeans respect the rights of everyone else.

Except their own.

Cheers!
Bro, We wonder why this is so true? This one part of New York history that surprised was a charity org called Tammany Hall, they did not harass these new immigrants coming off the ship, but gave them soup and smoothed their entry to America by helping them with lodging, jobs, paperwork, enlist them to the union army etc.. There was a part in the movie where newly arrived were slipped with cards that said 'Vote Tammany Hall'. We have to google Tammany to find out more of this. The gangs was used as a tool to direct votes to Tammany, all these resulted in a new mayor who was put in office by Irish immigrants voters. They then milked the city to build infrastructure all awarded to their contractor cronies. who employed these irish workers, who were better off to be paid a nickel than not paid at all.Naturally, the native American Born were not happy.
 
Did you see the part when 2 different fire engines from 2 different political parties arrived at a burning building but each side prevented the other from saving the fire and they ended coming to blows and the building burnt down in the end.
 
Bro, We wonder why this is so true? This one part of New York history that surprised was a charity org called Tammany Hall, they did not harass these new immigrants coming off the ship, but gave them soup and smoothed their entry to America by helping them with lodging, jobs, paperwork, enlist them to the union army etc.. There was a part in the movie where newly arrived were slipped with cards that said 'Vote Tammany Hall'. We have to google Tammany to find out more of this. The gangs was used as a tool to direct votes to Tammany, all these resulted in a new mayor who was put in office by Irish immigrants voters. They then milked the city to build infrastructure all awarded to their contractor cronies. who employed these irish workers, who were better off to be paid a nickel than not paid at all.Naturally, the native American Born were not happy.


It's true that pap wants the new immigrants to vote them, it's true most sinkies should be aware of that and it's also true that nobody can do anything about it.
 
You're saying the irish were naive to come to the US? FYI ireland had the great potato famine and other problems. Many europeans also immigranted to the US. If the US wasn't such a great place why would they migrate there?

Because there was nowhere else to go. To go to British dominions like Canada, Australia and NZ, you needed to be of white British descent to go as a human being, not half- or non-human being. To go to the tropical colonies, it'd be even more scary as you're half-or-less human being in as a foreign minority. The newborn US at least gave them a fighting chance, not on equal footing with those who were there earlier but on better odds than elsewhere.
 
Boss Tweed has been compared with Boss Bloomberg in the news. Wonder why he won the World City prize for NYC ??

SINGAPORE: The City of New York has been awarded the prestigious Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize this year, after beating more than 60 nominations received from all over the world.

The prize was awarded to the mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg, and the city's Departments of Transportation, City Planning and Parks, and Recreation for the city's transformation after the devastating September 11 attacks over a decade ago.

The biennial award goes to cities and their administrative departments for outstanding contributions towards creating vibrant, liveable and sustainable urban communities.

Mr Bloomberg accepted the award at Raffles Hotel in Singapore on Wednesday.

He said cities and its people will need to live with changes and transformation in order to stay competitive.

He highlighted some of the ways New York City has been transformed within a span of ten years.

They include adding 430 kilometres of bicycle lanes and closing off sections of areas for pedestrians, like the iconic Times Square.

Mayor Bloomberg said with the many projects the city had to implement came strong resistance, even though they were bottom-up initiatives. But he said cities, people and governments need to keep reinventing themselves.

He added: "The pace of change is going to continue to grow and we're going to have to learn how to live with that, and it's going to provide great challenges to governments and to peoples, whether you're in Singapore, New York, or any other city.

"The difference is, successful cities will find ways to cope, and unsuccessful cities will just throw up their hands.

"If you had to make a bet, you'd bet on those who've been able to deal with change -- like Singapore and like New York, and they're the ones most likely to be able to cope in the future."

Professor Kishore Mahbubani, chairman of the Prize Nominating Committee and dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, highlighted ways in which New York City stood out.

He said: "New York City, it's a very old city, very difficult to manage, has gone though very difficult times. ... On a scale of difficulty, with one being the easiest (and) ten being the most difficult, New York City is close to ten in terms of difficulties in transforming and reinventing itself...

"It's quite remarkable what New York City has done in terms of reinventing itself. I mean I've lived in New York City for over 10-and-a-half years. I know the degree of local opposition whenever change is mooted.

"I can tell you, when they tried to rejuvenate the High Line, which was by the way, a bottom-up initiative, not a top-down initiative, there was a lot of resistance to it. But people persisted.

"And the fact that New York City could, against great odds, transform itself was a very strong winning point for New York City."

Professor Mahbubani added that Singapore can learn a great deal from the way New York City has transformed in such a short period of time. This is especially important if Singapore wants to become the Asian capital city of the 21st century.

He said: "I think one of the biggest mistakes Singapore has made recently is the belief that it is actually quite easy to be open, it is quite easy to welcome immigrants, and to absorb them, and to live with them. And now we're discovering it's not so easy.

"And frankly, New York City's capacity for absorbing immigrants is probably number one in the world."

He added: "So New York's capacity to accept diversity and to live with it is, I think, one of its great strengths -- and I think that's something Singapore can learn from.

"Singapore now has the great opportunity to become the capital city of Asia. Frankly, we're entering the Asian century; everybody wants to come to Asia. And just like New York City was the iconic city for the American century, Singapore can become the iconic city for the Asian century.


"So to become the iconic city of the Asian century, we must learn to be more open, accept diversity and take full advantage of it -- the way New York City did."

Mr Bloomberg also met Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and other cabinet ministers at the Istana on Wednesday evening.

The World City Prize is jointly organised by Singapore's Urban Redevelopment Authority and the Centre for Liveable Cities.

- CNA/wm/al
 
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