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Future of Singapore children

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Future of Singapore children
December 17th, 2010 | Author: Contributions

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We are a singaporean couple in our 30s and both of us are from top universities in Australia , since graduation we gave been married for quite some time now. We do not have any children at present. For some reasons such as family commitments, relatives from a large extended family, we had to stay put in Singapore for some time.

Some years back, we had contemplated on buying our own HDB home before having children. After observing recent developments in Singapore, we decided that at some point we should just return to Australia permanently, since then we had dropped the idea of having kids. We had a discussion regarding the issue as having kids in Singapore is indeed very disastrous compared to family oriented Australia. We were asked countless times by many of our relatives on why we have no kids . It’s a pleasure and a boon to have children who bring joy to our lives. but reality eventually takes the cake . Many people proudly proclaim their family oriented approach in life but how many of them face the stresses of having to deal with high cost of living and that of the child’s when reality hits them? While the authorities encourage producing more babies, it looks like merely lip service . They do not understand that high cost of living deters many prospective child bearing couples. The incentives such as baby bonus given are lackluster and the system itself is unforgiving to children. Which couple will want a child in a system where one pays school fees that are higher than most first world countries that subsidise education for citizenary , an education system that emphasize on paper grades, unstable economy,low wages , high cost of living and a lack of a comprehensive social safety net?

These are some of the few reasons that we had identified that may hold some worth having stayed and observed education, parenting and family aspects in the Australian and and similar Canadian systems.

1) high cost of education in Singapore relative to wages. Unlike Australia which subsidizes their local students heavily , Singaporeans are paying horrendous amount of fees for tertiary education that is supposed to be subsidized.

2) quality of education . No matter what the marketing machine churns out, singapore’s education is not that trains students to think out of the box and to solve problems. Both of us, came from Australian universities which train their students from preschool in knowledge based applications and theory, what the Singapore system does is uncreative rote learning which left many singaporeans without the global thinking skill sets required for a knowledge based economy.

Despite statistics that show the Singapore education system as being one of the world’s best, it’s people have not turned out to be Nobel laurettes. The students are bent on getting high grades than actually learning stuff useful to them in a rat race to the top or rather , ironically, to the bottom. Having been a kid myself, I never gained anything from the education system , except stress. If Australia’s education system may not be the best , according to singapore’s “standards” , the country and it’s citizens are ironically doing better with higher productivity and home grown local businesses that compete on the global stage . It’s also a known fact that international rating bodies which rank education systems are not particularly known to take a holistic approach but merely do so from a investor or meritocratic point of view.

3) difficulty in entering universities in a tightly rigid classification method that streams students in a outdated meritocratic system that judges capability with past achievements from paper grades than future critical thinking ability. It does not take into account that people mature and change differently from others at different periods in their lives as I myself, had been a slow learner in school before but had obtained a degree overseas eventually. There is no scope for a well rounded holistic education here. Just a poor imitation of old British style system unlike the Australian and Canadian models. Scandinavian systems included as well.

4) Finally in a system that is unforgiving, a child if drops out of the rat race within a time frame limit , will have his or her future in question and expected to go into a job that pays $800 a month for a living. A situation we do not have in Australia. To further add on, children are being told to study in a rigid system that does not apply to foreigners who will be competing for jobs with our child in the future when companies insult the education system here by employing cheaper foreigners from some unknown university in India or Manila. It seems stress is only for the singapore child and the companies are here to enjoy the first world infrastructure and security without the social responsibility to pay for it.

5) we do not want our children to grow up in an education system that seems to be more tailored towards creating people who want to be rewarded with capitalistic benefits detached from society rather than thinking individuals that can improve the lives of others around them . It also seems that if a Singaporean did his or her education on Australia or overseas, they can’t accept the fact that one who was rejected by a singapore university has gained admission in overseas first world universities by a whole lot of discriminating local Uni grads that think too highly of themselves compared to people who have graduated from 100 year old overseas universities with a wealth of knowledge rooted in history and culture . It’s obvious that if one has been doing something for 100 years, they are pretty good at it. Besides that point, local unis will not be where they are without the template provided by the western education system and it’s state universities .

6) if it’s a male child , it’s obvious that he will be at a disadvantage due to NS liabilities. NS is for a good cause but it does not compensate a male for the sacrifices in terms of job opportunities or housing.

7) due to longer working hours eating up in valuable family time, today’s parents are vastly different to that of yesteryears , they do not have the time to spend with their kids who tend to be lonely and mix with bad company. In a first world country with a third world work structure that does not allow for work , life balance it’s expected that there will be more problems in teen delinquency, school dropout rate. The same situation can be found in Australia but due to other different reasons as well. The Aussie kids do not have to worry about social security, job opportunities dropping out of the rat race or low wages.

We are unsure where Singapore is headed in the future, despite assurances that “singaporeans come first” , judging from past promises , we do not have confidence in the future and the system for us, especially for our child, if we were to have one, .In the future, there is no gurantee that we can send our own children like ourselves for overseas studies at the rate cost of living is escalating in Singapore . Till we see a system that takes the local society’s well being into consideration , we just want to end our generation here. We do not want another generation to suffer , worst of all, more than we did. As the Australians put it , we do not want our child to be in a system that is made by ”obligatories” that rely on the servtitude of others but yet provide a unfair playing ground .We shall be back in Australia to start a family. We want our children to be like the free children of Australia as children they meant to be, free and easy.


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Local couple
 
This is total bullshit.

While cost is a indeed a serious factor when considering kids, statistics have shown that the low birthrate is not exclusive to lower income family, i.e. the richer parents are not having kids as well. In fact, the richer, more affluent ones, or what we used to called DINK (couples who are double income no kids) are the the major cause of concern.

You cited a few reasons for not having kids and I can tell you all of them are craps. Let you tell you why.

You said our cost of education is high compared to Australia? How high is their tax rate? Between 30 - 47% for income between $37K and $180K. How about Singapore? Between 5.5% to 20% for $30K to $320K. If almost half of every dollar I earned goes to the coffer, I would naturally expect cheaper or free public services.

Your point on the quality of education totally baffles me. First you said you learn nothing in our education? How did you make it to the University by the way? You mentioned Nobel Laureates as a measure for the success of a tertiary education? If it's only based on that, then we should get the impression that Universities in India (no. of NL = 9), Hungary (10), Nigeria (1) and Chile (2) are better than NUS/NTU/SMU, but do you seriously think so? Germany unis, with 102 NLs, would have been up right up there together with UK and US unis. You think the Aussies are more productive than Singaporeans? I personally don't know the statistics but the last time I went to Australia, most shops close at 5pm or 6pm. Most Aussies work till 4pm.

You said our education system is harsh, rigid and competitive. Seriously, if we are as big as Australia with as much natural resources, we can of course afford to have students studying ants, or how zombies make love if they are interested to. But the truth is, we can't because we need graduates who can make direct contributions to the economic progress of the nation. In any case, times have changed and the local unis today are vastly different from the time when you applied (but failed to get admission to). It is because of this system that students from Singapore (including you) can hold their heads high and do well in any parts of the world.

In fact, I can tell you that today, many of the stresses faced by the students are induced by the parents. It is the parents who fear that their kids cannot catch up and hence heap tons of pressure on the children. It is the parents who teach the kids that they have to do well so that they can make it in life and earn more money. And yes, the same parents who tell their boys that defending the country is a 'liability'. And it is the parents who decided to work long hours because they want to earn more money 'for their kids' who would probably prefer their parents' time to the pocket monies.

So, at the end of the day, don't give us the crap that Australia is better because they have better system for kids, blah blah blah. They are only better because they are better endowed with rich resources, i.e, they are richer. So just say that you are abandoning your poor roots for a richer land.

As for whether or not to have kids, don't blame it on the education system or the country. Having kids is a personal choice and there are many reasons to have or not to have one (including medical reasons). There are people who are raise 5 kids with an average income of $1,500, and one of them even became a President's Scholar.
 
I totally enjoy reading this coming from someone who think independently after going through a real education from a real first world country.

Very similar to my ang mor frens whose mindset are more or less like that. if you stay away from sinkies and mixed with some real people, you will think like that, very similar to the Local couple here.
 
The 'local couple' who both studied in Australia should have WISED UP earlier and NOT returned to SINGAPORE and waste precious years believing in the propaganda. Human lifespan is short and limited to 70-80 yrs, too short to waste even 1 year on a VAIN HOPE and DREAM or "NIGHTMARE".

Aged parents not wishing to leave Singapore shores should not act as a MILLSTONE to prevent the 2nd generation from emigrating for a better future. If their children are willing to sacrifice much for the sake of the 3rd generation, the GRANDPARENT generation should be magnanimous and give their full blessings and tell the children to leave ASAP from SINGAPORE!
 
Singapore system does is uncreative rote learning which left many singaporeans without the global thinking skill sets required for a knowledge based economy.

That is the reason sinkie talks like some robots giving words and phrases coming out form some textbook. You can read a lot of sinkies posts that are like that here in this very forum.
 
well.. the main factor is china... 1.3 billion of their people are causing prices to rise and also jiang zemin directed the china universities to churn out millions of uni grads each year.. you can't really blame singapore leaders for it.. just being objective
 
That is the reason sinkie talks like some robots giving words and phrases coming out form some textbook. You can read a lot of sinkies posts that are like that here in this very forum.

tony.. did you receive higher education? from where?
 
well.. the main factor is china... 1.3 billion of their people are causing prices to rise and also jiang zemin directed the china universities to churn out millions of uni grads each year.. you can't really blame singapore leaders for it.. just being objective

This has nothing to do with China... It is the sinkie system at fault.
 
That is the reason sinkie talks like some robots giving words and phrases coming out form some textbook. You can read a lot of sinkies posts that are like that here in this very forum.

Are you referring to the ones who begin every post with "You retarded gay dog! :oIo::oIo: " ?
 
This has nothing to do with China... It is the sinkie system at fault.

i have friends in senior government positions
their mentality is that they can easily attract top chinese/indian students.. why bother having a comprehensive program for the locals? the local education system is to allocate resources to train the smarter ones to fill positions in government jobs

i also observed that they seem to think that even if you educate the locals very well, they will end up migrating to us/europe one day anyway..
 
i have friends in senior government positions
their mentality is that they can easily attract top chinese/indian students.. why bother having a comprehensive program for the locals? the local education system is to allocate resources to train the smarter ones to fill positions in government jobs

i also observed that they seem to think that even if you educate the locals very well, they will end up migrating to us/europe one day anyway..

The system trains them to be servant rather than being a real human being. I have no respect for such govt. That is why i do not settle down in sinkieland.

They think that they will have their comfy job for eternity
 
Are you referring to the ones who begin every post with "You retarded gay dog! :oIo::oIo: " ?

You can read a lot of posts that sound like some textbook copy material. They are just not creative enough to form their own thoughts and sentences in it.

When they are challenged, they just repeated the same thing all over again. Or try to copy and paste some inform and then act it like they come up with it on their own.

Terrible way of living and behaving.. Yucksss!!!
 
i also observed that they seem to think that even if you educate the locals very well, they will end up migrating to us/europe one day anyway..

Can anyone blame them? Everyone has to look after own future since the state will only look after the Lees & their cronies :rolleyes:

It's rumoured that many in the civil service already have invested in a back door to Aust, NZ, US, etc So these civil servants are walking the talk :)
 
The system trains them to be servant rather than being a real human being. I have no respect for such govt. That is why i do not settle down in sinkieland.

that's the requirement of the sg economy
can't really blame them
but the ns system tries to pick the leaders, albeit at a young age
 
that's the requirement of the sg economy
can't really blame them

But Australia do not need human servants to be a first world economy. They are real human beings who lives real lives in Australia.

The sinkie govt is just selfish and uncreative to make sinkieland a progressive and a better place for human beings to live.
 
Can anyone blame them? Everyone has to look after own future since the state will only look after the Lees & their cronies :rolleyes:

It's rumoured that many in the civil service already have invested in a back door to Aust, NZ, US, etc So these civil servants are walking the talk :)

i know several retired ex-civil servants are now canadians... not sure about the current generation but i think a recent survey indicated that 9X% of young singaporeans want to migrate.. if PAP is really practical like they preach, they will simply just allocate resources to train an elite group of top scholars. to be honest, i think that is what is happening.
 
i know several retired ex-civil servants are now canadians... not sure about the current generation but i think a recent survey indicated that 9X% of young singaporeans want to migrate.. if PAP is really practical like they preach, they will simply just allocate resources to train an elite group of top scholars. to be honest, i think that is what is happening.


It has already been said that Spore is only a place to work & not much else. Some PAP MP even proudly describes this country as Spore Inc :rolleyes:

Many lunch time discussions with colleagues have revealed that the majority don't see a future in Spore.

I know many ex-Sporeans who have left & the interesting thing is that they NOW have large families, on average 2 to 3 kids but only after they've exchangde passports. One of my relatives has 5 kids:eek:

LKY was responsible for the current population problem. It was his eugenics policy that culled future generations. Add to that the working environment & the profiteering by the GLCs that make having children an expensive luxury.
 
i know several retired ex-civil servants are now canadians... not sure about the current generation but i think a recent survey indicated that 9X% of young singaporeans want to migrate.. if PAP is really practical like they preach, they will simply just allocate resources to train an elite group of top scholars. to be honest, i think that is what is happening.
Talking about that,th red Chinese bright kids are definitely more keen to run road to USA.

Get some interaction with the bright kids fr Red China
 
LCB: You're LYING. Just ask my FT pets and they will tell you the truth! *chey*
 
Talking about that,th red Chinese bright kids are definitely more keen to run road to USA.

Get some interaction with the bright kids fr Red China

They only being disillusioned . They will end as cooks in soup kitchens .

if they got no qualifications .
 
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