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From Dr. David Lye

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From Dr. David Lye :
“My insomnia got worse!
It is hard being an infectious disease doctor in a pandemic.
I need a few cups of strong Kopi O.
The same small group of doctors (if you compare the now infamous letter by the group of 12 you will see three common names and can draw your own conclusion on the mastermind) is at it again misleading and misinforming the public!
They don’t tell you the risk benefit conclusion by US CDC presented at the same meeting.
They don’t tell you what may happen if Delta variant sweeps through our children in massive outbreaks and overwhelms our hospitals; see peer-reviewed meta-analysis of 129 studies from 31 countries involving >10,000 children where reported rates of intensive care admission 22.9% and death occurred in 3.6%.
We are lucky so far as we have very few children infected before Delta variant.
MOH has worked very hard on safe distancing and mask wearing, and aggressive test and trace, with quarantine and isolation.
There are very few effective treatments for children with COVID, unlike for adults.
Vaccination is the main protection for our kids.
They made up their own story about the unfortunate death of a child in US; the report did not say anything about heart failure and stated that investigation into the cause is under way.
Israel which was initially not recommending vaccination in children has now rushed to vaccinate children as Delta caused school outbreaks.
Did we not have school outbreaks?
While our government strives to protect our children, these doctors are telling us to stop?!?!
These doctors really should tell us their true motive in repeatedly calling to stop mRNA vaccination.
Clearly they are selective in promoting certain information.
They do not represent the majority of doctors.
Authorities including US FDA and CDC, and our HSA and MOH have highlighted the slight excess risk, explained risk benefit and advised counter measures (i.e. avoid exercise for a week, and see doctors if unwell).
The following statement has been co-signed by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP), American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), American College of Physicians (ACP), American Heart Association, American Hospital Association (AHA), American Medical Association (AMA), American Nurses Association (ANA), American Public Health Association (APHA), Association of Public Health Laboratories, Association of State and Territorial Health Officials (ASTHO), Big Cities Health Coalition, Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists, Infectious Diseases Society of America, and National Association of County and City Health Officials (NACCHO):
“As physicians, nurses, public health and health care professionals, and, for many of us, parents, we understand the significant interest many Americans have in the safety of the COVID-19 vaccines, especially for younger people. Today, the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) met to discuss the latest data on reports of mild cases of inflammation of the heart muscle and surrounding tissue called myocarditis and pericarditis following COVID-19 vaccination among younger people.
“The facts are clear: this is an extremely rare side effect, and only an exceedingly small number of people will experience it after vaccination. Importantly, for the young people who do, most cases are mild, and individuals recover often on their own or with minimal treatment. In addition, we know that myocarditis and pericarditis are much more common if you get COVID-19, and the risks to the heart from COVID-19 infection can be more severe.
“The vaccines are safe and effective, and they prevent COVID-19 illness. They will help protect you and your family and keep your community safe. We strongly encourage everyone age 12 and older who are eligible to receive the vaccine under Emergency Use Authorization to get vaccinated, as the benefits of vaccination far outweigh any harm. Especially with the troubling Delta variant increasingly circulating, and more readily impacting younger people, the risks of being unvaccinated are far greater than any rare side effects from the vaccines. If you get COVID-19, you could get severely ill and be hospitalized or even die. Even if your infection is mild, you or your child could face long-term symptoms following COVID-19 infection such as neurological problems or diminished lung function.”
“We recommend getting vaccinated right away if you haven’t yet. It is the best way to protect yourself, your loved ones, your community, and to return to a more normal lifestyle safely and quickly.”
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cocobobo

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Hopefully he's not put there like a walter tesera or something the transport 'expert', always paraded out whenever lta increase fares etc
 

nirvarq

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But but but........ they say don't judge a book by it's cover wor. /snickers ! lol........


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SINGAPORE - Senior infectious diseases specialist David Lye from the National Centre for Infectious Diseases has called out claims by a group of doctors behind an open letter arguing for a halt in the vaccination of Singapore's youths, noting that they are "misleading" and "misinforming the public".


In his Facebook post on Monday (June 28), Associate Professor Lye said that the doctors had "made up their own story" about a child's death in the United States even though investigation into the cause has yet to conclude.


The open letter - posted on Facebook on Saturday by a doctor, Dr Kho Kwang Po - was addressed to Professor Benjamin Ong, chairman of the expert committee. It comes after a 13-year-old American boy died days after he received his second dose of a Covid-19 vaccine in the US.




The letter had called for a pause in Singapore's vaccination exercise until the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and organisations elsewhere have produced more robust and convincing data on the case.


The letter was signed by Dr Kho; Dr Wong Wui Min, a cardiologist and heart specialist at W.M. Wong Cardiac and Medical Clinic in Gleneagles Hospital; Dr A.M. Chia; Dr L.W. Ping; and Dr I.W. Yang. It was said to be penned "on behalf of many concerned paediatricians, primary care physicians, specialists, surgeons and GPs".


Responding to the letter on Monday (June 28), Associate Prof Lye said that it is "the same small group of doctors" who are once again "misleading and misinforming the public", noting that three of the doctors were involved in "an infamous letter by the group of 12".







He was referring to an earlier letter published by 12 doctors calling for children to be given the traditional Covid vaccines, such as the Sinovac one, instead of the mRNA ones - which are Pfizer and Moderna.


They claimed that it was not known what side effects might surface 10 to 20 years down the road from these vaccines.


"There are very few effective treatments for children with Covid-19, unlike for adults," said Prof Lye, noting that vaccination is the main protection for children.


He cited an example in Israel, which had initially not recommended vaccinating children but is now rushing to do so after outbreaks linked to the Delta variant in schools.




Therefore, the doctors who had signed the open letter do not represent the majority of doctors, and they should share their true motivation in repeatedly calling to stop mRNA vaccinations, said Prof Lye.


Prof Lye also said that the group of doctors had not given the full picture, and they had omitted several important points, such as the risk-benefit conclusion presented by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).


It was concluded that the benefits for vaccination in adolescents and young adults still continue to outweigh the risks, though continued monitoring of the long-term outcomes of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart) after the mRNA vaccines will be important.


The Expert Committee on Covid-19 vaccination had on Sunday reiterated that there is a small risk of myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) associated with mRNA vaccines.


More on this topic​

Infectious diseases expert David Lye calls out misinformation about Covid-19 vaccines

Pfizer vaccine safe for kids aged 12 to 15: Expert committee in response to open letter from docs


Four of the six cases of myocarditis and pericarditis among people vaccinated here involved men between 18 and 30 years old. All four reported symptoms of heart inflammation within a few days of receiving their second dose of the vaccines and have since recovered.


As such, authorities, including the US Food and Drug Administration , CDC, as well as Singapore's Health Sciences Authority and MOH have highlighted the slight risk, explained the risk benefit and advised counter measures.


These include refraining from strenuous exercise one week after the second dose and seeing a doctor if one feels unwell, said Prof Lye.


Citing a study published on the BMJ, he also noted that the doctors had failed to point out what might happen if the Delta variant "sweeps through our children in massive outbreaks and overwhelms our hospitals".


The peer-reviewed study provided an analysis of 129 studies from 31 countries, involving more than 10,000 children.


Of these, 22.9 per cent were in intensive care, and 3.6 per cent of them had died.
 

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Oh dear, Is this the guy?
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...d-lye-calls-out-misinformation-about-vaccines

He's silencing alternative views just because they are different from his.


It is idiots like you who spout nonsense from your silly brain. You claim that others are silencing alternative views, but you are the ones who are curtailing people's freedom of choice. You are the ones removing the freedom of choice from our children's lives. Sickening hypocrites. You can;t even smell your own hypocrisy.
 

lostvirgin

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It is idiots like you who spout nonsense from your silly brain. You claim that others are silencing alternative views, but you are the ones who are curtailing people's freedom of choice. You are the ones removing the freedom of choice from our children's lives. Sickening hypocrites. You can;t even smell your own hypocrisy.

Darling, did you get D for English & comprehension?
 

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SINGAPORE - Senior infectious diseases specialist David Lye from the National Centre for Infectious Diseases has called out claims by a group of doctors behind an open letter arguing for a halt in the vaccination of Singapore's youths, noting that they are "misleading" and "misinforming the public".


In his Facebook post on Monday (June 28), Associate Professor Lye said that the doctors had "made up their own story" about a child's death in the United States even though investigation into the cause has yet to conclude.


The open letter - posted on Facebook on Saturday by a doctor, Dr Kho Kwang Po - was addressed to Professor Benjamin Ong, chairman of the expert committee. It comes after a 13-year-old American boy died days after he received his second dose of a Covid-19 vaccine in the US.




The letter had called for a pause in Singapore's vaccination exercise until the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and organisations elsewhere have produced more robust and convincing data on the case.


The letter was signed by Dr Kho; Dr Wong Wui Min, a cardiologist and heart specialist at W.M. Wong Cardiac and Medical Clinic in Gleneagles Hospital; Dr A.M. Chia; Dr L.W. Ping; and Dr I.W. Yang. It was said to be penned "on behalf of many concerned paediatricians, primary care physicians, specialists, surgeons and GPs".


Responding to the letter on Monday (June 28), Associate Prof Lye said that it is "the same small group of doctors" who are once again "misleading and misinforming the public", noting that three of the doctors were involved in "an infamous letter by the group of 12".







He was referring to an earlier letter published by 12 doctors calling for children to be given the traditional Covid vaccines, such as the Sinovac one, instead of the mRNA ones - which are Pfizer and Moderna.


They claimed that it was not known what side effects might surface 10 to 20 years down the road from these vaccines.


"There are very few effective treatments for children with Covid-19, unlike for adults," said Prof Lye, noting that vaccination is the main protection for children.


He cited an example in Israel, which had initially not recommended vaccinating children but is now rushing to do so after outbreaks linked to the Delta variant in schools.




Therefore, the doctors who had signed the open letter do not represent the majority of doctors, and they should share their true motivation in repeatedly calling to stop mRNA vaccinations, said Prof Lye.


Prof Lye also said that the group of doctors had not given the full picture, and they had omitted several important points, such as the risk-benefit conclusion presented by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).


It was concluded that the benefits for vaccination in adolescents and young adults still continue to outweigh the risks, though continued monitoring of the long-term outcomes of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart) after the mRNA vaccines will be important.


The Expert Committee on Covid-19 vaccination had on Sunday reiterated that there is a small risk of myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) associated with mRNA vaccines.


More on this topic​

Infectious diseases expert David Lye calls out misinformation about Covid-19 vaccines

Pfizer vaccine safe for kids aged 12 to 15: Expert committee in response to open letter from docs


Four of the six cases of myocarditis and pericarditis among people vaccinated here involved men between 18 and 30 years old. All four reported symptoms of heart inflammation within a few days of receiving their second dose of the vaccines and have since recovered.


As such, authorities, including the US Food and Drug Administration , CDC, as well as Singapore's Health Sciences Authority and MOH have highlighted the slight risk, explained the risk benefit and advised counter measures.


These include refraining from strenuous exercise one week after the second dose and seeing a doctor if one feels unwell, said Prof Lye.


Citing a study published on the BMJ, he also noted that the doctors had failed to point out what might happen if the Delta variant "sweeps through our children in massive outbreaks and overwhelms our hospitals".


The peer-reviewed study provided an analysis of 129 studies from 31 countries, involving more than 10,000 children.


Of these, 22.9 per cent were in intensive care, and 3.6 per cent of them had died.
Somebody from both sides should write formal complaint to SMC against the other for "bringing the medical professional into disrepute "

Would be interesting what the SMC disciplinary committee's final ruling would be.
 
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