French News says DDR4 RAM in 2012 3D silicon archetecture - any better translation?

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price per unit storage drops further? hd is dirt cheap now.

Forgot to elaborate. Price per unit storage of SSDs.
 
Re: French News says DDR4 RAM in 2012 3D silicon archetecture - any better translatio

yeah i heard some people have problem getting hd, i think it is bad idea for seagate to move out of singapore, if they would have stay in singapore, things will be different for them. their own fault.

there are two development that might bring some life back to magnetic hd, one is ssd caching, the other is ram caching.
ssd caching is using max 40B of SSD to cache the magnetic harddisk, the other is using 8GB of RAM to cache the harddisk, since x79 support 32 GB to 64GB of RAM, RAM caching will be the next big thing.

Yeah ssd I use only 1 unit. Not high end nor high capacity either.

RAM is the economical resources right now. Approx S$7.5/GB so can use more RAM to cache for speed.


# mount -t ramfs -o size=4000m ramfs ./RAM</pre>

In my own system I do the above for example to create a RAM drive mounted at ./RAM 4GB in this case. I an copy entire Linux VM inside and run. It will perform like flying once it is up. A typical Linux desktop can fit in 4GB. For your case if you already have 32G or 64G then easily can afford 20G for RAM disk. You can try a FOC vmware player to run a virtual machine inside your 20GB RAM disk. The disk I/O time is virtually zero. All programs and data loads lightning fast. The only slow moments are the initial copy stage when you copy a whole VM from HDD to RAM disk. Considering that you may save lots of time later using that for whole day, it is worthwhile. But if you got any data which you have to save, put them in regular HDD or any server mounted. RAM disk contents vanish after you unmount them, unless you copy them. Usually I discard whole copy of VM after use, and only copy just files which I want to keep. That way is better for security. :cool:
 
Re: French News says DDR4 RAM in 2012 3D silicon archetecture - any better translatio

RAM is the economical resources right now. Approx S$7.5/GB so can use more RAM to cache for speed.
In my own system I do the above for example to create a RAM drive mounted at ./RAM 4GB in this case. I an copy entire Linux VM inside and run. It will perform like flying once it is up. A typical Linux desktop can fit in 4GB. For your case if you already have 32G or 64G then easily can afford 20G for RAM disk. You can try a FOC vmware player to run a virtual machine inside your 20GB RAM disk. The disk I/O time is virtually zero. All programs and data loads lightning fast. The only slow moments are the initial copy stage when you copy a whole VM from HDD to RAM disk. Considering that you may save lots of time later using that for whole day, it is worthwhile. But if you got any data which you have to save, put them in regular HDD or any server mounted. RAM disk contents vanish after you unmount them, unless you copy them. Usually I discard whole copy of VM after use, and only copy just files which I want to keep. That way is better for security. :cool:

yes in future, you will have 128GB of ram etc, using ram disk and store entire win7 and programs in it. i tell you, it will be incredible speed. i hope they make something that backup ramdisk when you shutdown and restore the ramdisk when booting. god my game will load so fast. dream.

yes it is possible for linux now, but not win7. also you need a new chipset to support high capacity ram disk.
today it is possible to go cheap setup for 32gb ram and not so cheap 64 gb ram, 64-8, left about 56 gb of ramdisk for x79. it will hundred time faster than ssd, thousand time faster than conventional harddisk.
 
Re: French News says DDR4 RAM in 2012 3D silicon archetecture - any better translatio

yes in future, you will have 128GB of ram etc, using ram disk and store entire win7 and programs in it. i tell you, it will be incredible speed. i hope they make something that backup ramdisk when you shutdown and restore the ramdisk when booting. god my game will load so fast. dream.

yes it is possible for linux now, but not win7. also you need a new chipset to support high capacity ram disk.
today it is possible to go cheap setup for 32gb ram and not so cheap 64 gb ram, 64-8, left about 56 gb of ramdisk for x79. it will hundred time faster than ssd, thousand time faster than conventional harddisk.

I know these devices can do your dream speed and retain data in RAM by battery. But pray your battery don't go flat. Or else data Bye Bye! Not cheap hor! 4 figure prices to start with depending on capacity. The base unit here is US$549 but think it's not inclusive of the RAM yet. You can add the RAM until DIMM slots are full. Will be S$1-2K



http://techreport.com/articles.x/16255
ACard's ANS-9010 Serial ATA RAM disk
Solid-state storage from another angle
by Geoff Gasior — 11:08 PM on January 20, 2009
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Solid-state storage is the new hotness. Of course, that hotness is relative—this is still the storage market we're talking about. Think less Scarlett Johansson and more Tina Fey. Nonetheless, the recent almost-affordability of blazing-fast flash drives has been an interesting development in the storage world. And it's getting even more interesting, because in addition to an entire family of flash drives, the SSD market also has a crazy uncle.
The focus of most solid-state storage discussions centers on flash-based solutions, but they're not the only game in town. DRAM chips offer solid-state storage, too, and they're widely available on plain old memory modules. What's more, even Intel's fastest X25-E flash drive is limited to 250MB/s reads and 170MB/s writes, but your average DDR2-800 DIMM can read and write at up to 6.4GB/s. That's like lining up a 40-horsepower motor ripped from a Vespa against the W16 monstrosity that powers the Bugatti Veyron.
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Of course, you still need a way to get DRAM chips to behave as a hard drive. The hardware to do so was initially offered only for high-end servers and workstations, and it was priced accordingly. Then, about three years ago, Gigabyte went out on a limb with an i-RAM storage device that allowed users to plug four DIMMs into a PCI card that hooked up to a standard Serial ATA port. The i-RAM was ridiculously fast, and for most intents and purposes, it behaved exactly like a normal hard drive.
The original i-RAM's total capacity was limited to 4GB of DDR SDRAM, so it's not particularly useful by today's standards. However, a company called ACard has done one better with the ANS-9010 RAM disk, which has eight DDR2 DIMM slots and support for up to 8GB of memory per slot. The ANS-9010 also features a pair of Serial ATA ports, allowing it to function as a single drive or masquerade as a pair of drives that can easily be split into an even faster RAID 0 array. Can this latest RAM disk live up to its staggering performance potential, and perhaps more importantly, could you live with it as a primary hard drive?
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The difference DRAM makes
Before taking a closer look at the ANS-9010, I should date myself by noting that the RAM disk concept is really nothing new. Those who have been around for a while will remember that sectioning off a chunk of system memory for storage was all the rage back in the day. RAM disks were a software solution back then, so they used memory already plugged into your motherboard. The move to hardware-based RAM disks has made things much easier by allowing users to access memory modules through a standard hard drive interface without the need for drivers or even an operating system.
So why use DRAM over the flash memory everyone and their mother seems to have their fingers in? Speed, for one. I've already mentioned DDR2's 6.4GB/s transfer rates. However, that 6.4GB/s is just a theoretical peak. The Serial ATA interface is currently limited to 300MB/s, and even with both its SATA ports active, ACard only claims transfer rates up to 400MB/s for the ANS-9010.
Another benefit DRAM has over flash memory is that there's no limit on the number of write-erase cycles it can endure. Effective wear leveling algorithms and single-level cell memory can greatly improve the lifespan of a flash drive, but they just prolong the inevitable. DRAM's resiliency does come with a cost, though. While flash memory cells retain their data when the power is cut, DRAM is volatile, so it does not. To keep DRAM data intact, you have to keep the chips juiced.
Evolving the RAM disk
Storage solutions generally aren't much to look at, but the ANS-9010 is a little different. Instead of being tucked away in an internal hard drive bay, it slides into an external 5.25" optical bay where you can see it.
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The device's front panel has a few ventilation slits and is littered with indicator lights for power, drive access, and battery life. ACard equips the ANS-9010 with a 7.4V, 2400 mAh battery that keeps the drive's memory powered when the host system is shut off. Our battery was able to keep 16GB of memory powered for more than four hours, which isn't nearly good enough if you want to turn your system off at night, but more than enough to get through the occasional reboot or hardware upgrade.
For those who would rather not trust a battery with preserving their data, the ANS-9010 also features a CF card slot up front. With the push of a button, the drive can back up or restore the contents of its memory to a flash card. This backup capability might seem like a small thing, but it greatly improves the RAM disk's usability in the real world. ACard quotes a CF backup time of 21 minutes and 34 seconds for a 32GB configuration and a restore time of just over 14 minutes for the same config.
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Busting the ANS-9010 open reveals eight 240-pin DDR2 DIMM slots. ACard says module densities up to 8GB are supported, bringing the drive's total capacity potential up to an impressive 64GB. Keep in mind that 8GB memory modules are extremely expensive, though. For most folks, cost alone will limit the drive's total capacity to 32GB or less. ACard doesn't yet list any 8GB modules on its memory compatibility list, either. You'll want to pay attention to that compatibility list, because registered and ECC DIMMs aren't supported. It also took a couple of firmware revisions for the ANS-9010 to get along with the OCZ DIMMs we used for testing.
The RAM disk's DIMM slots are arranged in pairs of four, with spacing similar to what you'd find on a motherboard. This leaves just enough room for modules with normal heatspreaders, although taller DIMMs may bump their heads on the 5.25" drive bay ceiling. You can still run taller DIMMs by removing the ANS-9010's top panel, and as long as you don't have a 5.25" drive in the bay directly above, most cases should be accommodating.
Between the rows of DIMM slots sits the RAM disk's battery and really the only silicon of note. Hidden under a passive heatsink sits a FPGA chip that ACard has programmed to make the memory modules behave as a hard drive. As Intel's X25-series SSDs have illustrated, a good storage controller architecture can significantly improve performance. ACard isn't saying much about the ANS-9010's storage controller design, but we'll soon see whether it's made the most of the prodigious bandwidth potential inherent to DDR2 memory.
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We do know that ACard's storage and memory controller has at least one interesting trick up its sleeve—it's able to split installed memory between two physical Serial ATA ports. Even with only a single DIMM installed, the ANS-9010 can present itself as two physical hard drives via two SATA ports located at the rear. This feature allows users to wring even more performance from the drive by pairing it with a RAID controller for a little striped RAID 0 love. And because solid-state storage is immune to the mechanical failures that make running RAID 0 dicey with traditional hard drives, you don't have to worry about a head crash hosing the array.
Switching the ANS-9010 between single-drive and RAID modes requires flipping a jumper, which is accessible from the rear. Otherwise, there isn't much to see. The drive pulls juice from a standard Serial ATA power cable, although it only seems to draw from the 12V line.

This device is using SATA2 RAID0 2 ways. However even if you use RAID0 4ways at SATA3 won't be as fast as the method I mentioned using Linux - mount ramfs. And my method need not cost so much. And work at native RAM speed which will be faster than any form of I/O. When your computer have got lots of RAM just use them as RAM disk directly. Don't need to purchase these battery backup RAM disk. All you need to do is to copy to regular storage when you shut down, copy back to RAM disk when you need them.
 
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Re: French News says DDR4 RAM in 2012 3D silicon archetecture - any better translatio

All sorts of says:

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http://www.techpowerup.com/143511/Hynix-Introduces-High-Performance-DDR4-DRAM.html?cp=2

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Hynix Introduces High Performance DDR4 DRAM
Hynix Semiconductor Inc. (‘Hynix’) today announced that it has developed 2Gb(Gigabit) DDR4 DRAM and DDR4 DRAM based 2GB(Gigabyte) ECC-SODIMM(Error Check & Correction Small Outline Dual In-line Memory Module) applying its leading 30nm class process technology. The DDR4 DRAM product meets the JEDEC standard and the module product is designed for the micro server.

DDR4 DRAM is a next generation memory product which consumes less electronic power while it transfers data as twice as faster than the existing DDR3 DRAM. The device works at the industry’s fastest speed of 2400Mbps(Megabits per second), which is also 80% faster than DDR3 1333Mbps product. The Module product operates at such a low voltage of 1.2V and processes up to 19.2 GB (Gigabytes) of data per second with a 64-bit I/O.



“The DDR4 products fully support various demanding features including eco-friendly, energy efficient, high performance.” said Mr. Ji-Bum Kim, Chief Marketing Officer of Hynix. “With this product, Hynix will be able to provide premium solutions to our customers not only in the PC and server but also in the tablet market.”

Hynix plans to start volume production of this high performance DDR4 product in the second half of 2012.

According to market research firm, iSuppli, the portion of the DDR4 DRAM is expected to increase from 5% in 2013 to over 50% in 2015 and become a mainstream in the market. While the demand DDR3 DRAM will reach its peak in 2012 with 71% portion and will eventually decrease to 49% in 2014.




http://manish-bhagat.blogspot.com/2011/08/ddr4-sdram-is-coming-soon-in-2013-tells.html

[h=2]Monday, 29 August 2011[/h] [h=3]DDR4 SDRAM is coming soon in 2013. Tells Samsung Electronics, Korea[/h]


INTRODUCTION

In computing, DDR4 SDRAM, an abbreviation for double data rate type four synchronous dynamic random-access memory, is a type of dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) with a high bandwidth interface currently under development and expected market release in 2012. As a "next generation" successor to DDR3 SDRAM, it is one of several variants of DRAM used since the early 1970s. It is not directly compatible with any earlier type of random access memory (RAM) due to different signaling voltages, timings, physical interface and other factors.

DDR4 itself is a DRAM interface specification. Its primary benefits compared to DDR3 include a higher range of clock frequencies and data transfer rates (2133–4266 MHz and MT/s compared to DDR3's 800–2133) and significantly lower voltage (1.2 decreasing to 1.05 volts,[2] compared to 1.5 – 1.2 V for DDR3). DDR4 also anticipates a change in topology – it discards dual and triple channel approaches in favor of point-to-point where each channel in the memory controller is connected to a single module.
Switched memory banks are also an anticipated option for servers

THE STORY

DDR4 test samples were announced in line with the original schedule in early 2011 at which time manufacturers began to advise that large scale commercial production and release to market was scheduled for 2012.

DDR4 is expected to represent 5% of the DRAM market in 2013,and to reach mass market adoption and 50% market penetration around 2015;the latter is comparable with the approximately 5 years taken for DDR3 to achieve mass market transition over DDR2. In part, this is because changes required to other components would impact all other parts of computer systems, which would need to be updated to work with DDR4.
In February 2009, Samsung validated 40 nm DRAM chips, considered a "significant step" towards DDR4 development since in 2009, DRAM chips were only beginning to migrate to a 50 nm process.In January 2011, Samsung announced the completion and release for testing of a 2 GB DDR4 DRAM module based on a process between 30 and 39 nm. It has a maximum data transfer rate of 2133 Mb/s at 1.2 V, uses pseudo open drain technology (adapted from graphics DDR memory[20]) and draws 40% less power than an equivalent DDR3 module.

Three months later in April 2011, Hynix announced the production of 2 GB 2400 MHz clock speed DDR4 modules, also running at 1.2 V on a process between 30 and 39 nm (exact process unspecified), adding that it anticipated commencing high volume production in the second half of 2012. Semiconductor processes for DDR4 are expected to transition to sub-30 nm at some point between late 2012 and 2014.

THE TECHNICAL DESCRIPTION

The new chips are expected to run at 1.2 V or less, versus the 1.5 V of DDR3 chips, and have in excess of 2 billion data transfers per second. They are expected to be introduced at clock speeds of 2133 MHz, estimated to rise to a potential 4266 MHz and lowered voltage of 1.05 V by 2013. DDR4 is likely to be initially commercialized using 32 – 36 nm processes, and according to a roadmap by PC Watch (Japan) and comments by Samsung, as 4 Gbit chips. Increased memory density was also anticipated, possibly using TSV ("through-silicon via") or other 3D stacking processes. The DDR4 specification will include standardized 3D stacking "from the start" according to JEDEC. X-bit Labs commented that "as a result DDR4 memory chips with very high density will become relatively inexpensive". Prefetch will also potentially increase up to 16 bits per clock, compared to DDR3's 8 bits per clock.
DDR4 also anticipates a change in topology. It discards dual and triple channel approaches (used since the original first generation DDR) in favor of point-to-point where each channel in the memory controller is connected to a single module. This mirrors the trend also seen in the earlier transition from PCI to PCI Express, where parallelism was moved from the interface to the controller, and is likely to simplify timing in modern high-speed data buses. Switched memory banks are also an anticipated option for servers.

The minimum clock speed of 2133 MHz was said to be due to progress made in DDR3 speeds which, being likely to reach 2133 Mb/s, left little commercial benefit to specifying DDR4 below this speed. Techgage interpreted Samsung's January 2011 engineering sample as having CAS latency of 13 clock cycles, described as being comparable to the move from DDR2 to DDR3.

In 2008, concerns were raised in the book Wafer Level 3-D ICs Process Technology that non-scaling analog elements such as charge pumps and voltage regulators, and additional circuitry "have allowed significant increases in bandwidth but they consume much more die area". Examples include CRC error-detection, on-die termination, burst hardware, programmable pipelines, low impedence, and increasing need for sense amps (attributed to a decline in bits per bitline due to low voltage). The authors noted that as a result, the amount of die used for the memory array itself has declined over time from 70 to 80% with SDRAM and DDR1, to 38% for DDR3 and potentially to less than 30% for DDR4.
 
Re: French News says DDR4 RAM in 2012 3D silicon archetecture - any better translatio

I know these devices can do your dream speed and retain data in RAM by battery. But pray your battery don't go flat. Or else data Bye Bye! Not cheap hor! 4 figure prices to start with depending on capacity. The base unit here is US$549 but think it's not inclusive of the RAM yet. You can add the RAM until DIMM slots are full. Will be S$1-2K

i think you are missing the point of ram

there is a lot of different between reading ram next to cpu and reading ram from sata. your example will be better fill by good ssd.
 
Re: French News says DDR4 RAM in 2012 3D silicon archetecture - any better translatio

i think you are missing the point of ram

there is a lot of different between reading ram next to cpu and reading ram from sata. your example will be better fill by good ssd.

Big diff is SPEED more than 10X diff. Then plus price diff, at least 4.5X diff.

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The practical advantage of that SATA RAM disk vs motherboard RAM is actually Modular Portability. That is e.g. you can mount that device in a E-SATA box or hot-plug SATA drawer or the likes. When your computer is damaged or shut for maintenance, you can quickly pop up that data contents and shaft it ASAP into another spare system and use the same data.

E-SATA & regular SATA can hot-plug without shutdown.

I do that with regular SATA Winchester HDDs to minimize down time, using hot-swap bays like these:

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OMG where can i find 16GB ram???


MSI outs X79A-GD45 (8D) X79 motherboard


MSI has announced the official release of its latest X79-based motherboard, the X79A-GD45 (8D).

MSI X79A-GD45 (8D) supports LGA2011 (Sandy Bridge-E) processors, eight sticks of 16GB DDR3 memory and the latest PCI Express Gen 3 to provide up to 32GB/s transfer bandwidth for the expansion cards.

It’s equipped with overclocking function, OC Genie II and features eight memory DIMMS, 7.1-channel audio, and Click BIOS II (UEFI), as well as MSI-exclusive features, including NVIDIA SLI & AMD CrossFireX, THX TruStudio Pro, Multi-BIOS II, and Super Charger.


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Re: French News says DDR4 RAM in 2012 3D silicon archetecture - any better translatio

Server / Workstation class DIMMs usually the expensive ECC type.

http://www.kingston.com/uk/memory/valueram/server

KVR1066D3Q4R7S/16G
16GB 2048M x 72-Bit PC3-8500
CL7 Registered w/Parity 240-Pin DIMM

http://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR1066D3Q8R7SK2_16G.pdf

that does not work on this motherboard, since this one only support non ECC type.
Just said there is no such RAM, most sinkies cannot even afford 64GB RAM, not to mention 128GB.
Even moi, not going to touch 128GB of ram, i think cost vs performance is too small.

I think 64gb RAM cost more than 5-10 times of 32 GB ram, 128GB probably cost 10 time more than 64 GB. Not an option.
 
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4Gb of RAM should be more than enough for gaming needs. For casual gaming and general purpose usage, 2Gb is sufficient.

Also, according to personal experience, MSI mobos suck big time. If you want to get the bleeding edge X79 mobo, go for the Asus one.

Personally, I won't run a SLI setup, so X-series are not for me. And I don't like to buy the first generation of mobos. Sometimes it takes a few BIOS updates, or even a refresh release, for the product to be stable. I am not an early adopter.
 
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