forgotten weapon sar 21

[singveld]

poor AR-15, last year when i was in USA, it cost only 1000 US dollars, now because of obama, i saw on tv, it is now 2000 US dollars.
What a price rises.

 

[singveld]

A leftie reservist tried shooting right, at a rifle range and found his shots ended in the next-guy's target.

it is best he change his spec.

 

[johnny333]

You mean AR-15? There is no M-15. The M-16 is the military version of the AR-15, which was a hunting rifle initially.

The AR-15s used in the SAF in the late 60s till mid 70s were bought from the US, most of which were Vietnam surpluses, as the US troops were withdrawing from Vietnam.

The M-16 was designed for military use by Eugene Stoner. FYI the 5.56 calibre is too small for a hunting rifle unless you are using it against varmints i.e. squirels, racoons, coyotes,... At that time military rifles used the more powerful 7.62mm round, so the M16 broke new ground. The 5.56 round was considered by many at that time to be under powered That's why the military establishment was initially against the M16/5.56.

It was well known that CIS made the M16 rifles i.e. not a secret.
I don't know if Spore ever used vietnam surplus M16's The M16 that I used during NS was made in Spore. I doubt that Spore ever used US made M16's because the one's made in Spore were cheaper

I remember seeing the M16 used by the NZ soldiers & it was the newer version of the M16's, the ones with a bolt assist. The M16 that I used were the older model, without the bolt assist.

I think the Spore armed forces were using the FN rifle before the transitioned to the M16. You'll have to ask an older uncle about that.

 

[Lee5604]

The M-16 was designed for military use by Eugene Stoner. FYI the 5.56 calibre is too small for a hunting rifle unless you are using it against varmints i.e. squirels, racoons, coyotes,... At that time military rifles used the more powerful 7.62mm round, so the M16 broke new ground. The 5.56 round was considered by many at that time to be under powered That's why the military establishment was initially against the M16/5.56.

It was well known that CIS made the M16 rifles i.e. not a secret.
I don't know if Spore ever used vietnam surplus M16's The M16 that I used during NS was made in Spore. I doubt that Spore ever used US made M16's because the one's made in Spore were cheaper

I remember seeing the M16 used by the NZ soldiers & it was the newer version of the M16's, the ones with a bolt assist. The M16 that I used were the older model, without the bolt assist.

I think the Spore armed forces were using the FN rifle before the transitioned to the M16. You'll have to ask an older uncle about that.

When I entered NS in April 1975, (I was in an Infantry Battalion) we were using the AR-15 until when I almost ROD (not ORD), when it was changed to the M-16. My time no FN rifles already, except the GPMG and the sniper rifle.

 

[lorrydriver]

When I entered NS in April 1975, (I was in an Infantry Battalion) we were using the AR-15 until when I almost ROD (not ORD), when it was changed to the M-16. My time no FN rifles already, except the GPMG and the sniper rifle.

I had a AR-15 in the late 80s, support unit always last to upgrade. I still remember, Butt No 135. very special cause the butt also had a compartment to keep the cleaning kit

 

[johnny333]

When I entered NS in April 1975, (I was in an Infantry Battalion) we were using the AR-15 until when I almost ROD (not ORD), when it was changed to the M-16. My time no FN rifles already, except the GPMG and the sniper rifle.

I'm from an earlier batch & as a young & poor student I remember going to the main library at Stamford Rd & spent my time reading about these weapons e.g. Janes's Weapon Systems, Jane's Infranty systems etc :o

I'm not surprised that you didn't see any FN Fal because it must have been phased out long before NS was started. I've also never seen those rifles myself. I did see some Vigilantes(the men in white) & they were carrying big bolt action rifles, maybe the Lee enfield

Things back then were different as Spore was frugal & we were not so hi tech
I would sometimes see the NZ army & their equipment because their camp was only next door. They would sometimes use the Obstacle course in our camp.

 

[Kinana]

SAR 21 is truly a great rifle, kudos to ST.

 

[steffychun]

SAR 21 is truly a great rifle, kudos to ST.

It is a pile of shit

 

[Lee5604]

The worst weapon made by the Chartered Insustries of S'pore was the Ultimax 2000.

That rifle rusts like a tin can in the field. Used it once for my reservist training, next year did not see the weapon again, the trainers said it was withdrawn. Heard they were sold to Myanmar for a song. Like a clearance sale.

 

[johnny333]

The worst weapon made by the Chartered Insustries of S'pore was the Ultimax 2000.

That rifle rusts like a tin can in the field. Used it once for my reservist training, next year did not see the weapon again, the trainers said it was withdrawn. Heard they were sold to Myanmar for a song. Like a clearance sale.

I read somewhere that some of the Ultmax found it's way to the balkans. You have to wonder about how the PAP sells their wares I read about how some Sporeans were caught selling weapons. It's not like the typical Sporeans can easily get weapons. So is this another Lee & Sons side business

 

[Kinana]

Notice that anywhere the Ultimax shows up on the battlefield, it ends wars.

Croatia - the took over occupied lands from Serbia quickly n decisively ending the civil war.
Acheh - the civil war ended soon after TNI adopted Ultimax to juice up their fire power.
Sri Lanka - tamil Tigers wiped out soon after adoption of Ultimax.
Philippines - war in Mindanao coming to an end after decades of war.

 

[mollusk]

Notice that anywhere the Ultimax shows up on the battlefield, it ends wars.

Croatia - the took over occupied lands from Serbia quickly n decisively ending the civil war.
Acheh - the civil war ended soon after TNI adopted Ultimax to juice up their fire power.
Sri Lanka - tamil Tigers wiped out soon after adoption of Ultimax.
Philippines - war in Mindanao coming to an end after decades of war.

lol. where you get your info ? You meant ultimax is the weapon of choice for peace ?

 

[Trout]

ST Technologies' "Peace-Maker" sia, Ultimax 2000...

 

[wikiphile]

Notice that anywhere the Ultimax shows up on the battlefield, it ends wars.

Croatia - the took over occupied lands from Serbia quickly n decisively ending the civil war.
Acheh - the civil war ended soon after TNI adopted Ultimax to juice up their fire power.
Sri Lanka - tamil Tigers wiped out soon after adoption of Ultimax.
Philippines - war in Mindanao coming to an end after decades of war.

guns don't make peace, people make peace fucktard

 

[Kinana]

lol. where you get your info ? You meant ultimax is the weapon of choice for peace ?

ultimax is a great weapon.
We should rename it peace maker

 

[steffychun]

ultimax is a great weapon.
We should rename it peace maker

cock sucker

 

[Lee5604]

ultimax is a great weapon.
We should rename it peace maker

If I say that the Ultimax 2000 is the worst weapon, Kinana will say it is great.

If I say A, Kinana will say B.

Just want to say something I guess.

 

[Kinana]

I only know ultimax 100, never came across 2000 before.
mark 3 is ok.

 

[blackmore]

You mean AR-15? There is no M-15. The M-16 is the military version of the AR-15, which was a hunting rifle initially.

The AR-15s used in the SAF in the late 60s till mid 70s were bought from the US, most of which were Vietnam surpluses, as the US troops were withdrawing from Vietnam.

Predecessor to the AR-15 in design was the AR-10 by Armalite Industries. All SAF's AR-15 has the original COLT markings stamped on the receiver; probably COLT surplus but not necessary from Vietnam stockpile. The purchase has to be sanctioned by the senate and usually shipment direct from Colt in the USA.

The worst products from CIS accepted into service was probably the SAR-80 & SAR-88 plus the cursive Ultimax 100 Mk I

 

[johnny333]

All SAF's AR-15 has the original COLT markings stamped on the receiver; probably COLT surplus but not necessary from Vietnam stockpile. ......

If Spore bought all their rifles from the US. Then why did they start making the rifles in Spore