For people of this forum but not for Leongsam

[LaoTze]

For people of this forum but not for Leongsam
Leongsam is so full of himself that he cannot understand just how stupid he appears to us all here.

Here is the message from a cardiologist working in an ICU ward in Milan that will give you the proper perspective on what is happening:

"I am Martina, I am a cardiologist in an intensive care unit in a hospital in Milan.
The situation is very serious, in the sense that this virus is extremely contagious. It is true that many do not show symptoms, it is true that many get by without too many problems, but it is also true that many people develop what is called bilateral interstitial pneumonia that, basically, needs respiratory support.
We don't have drugs because it's a virus and therefore antibiotics don't work. We are giving a cocktail of drugs that are used in viruses such as AIDS but on a completely experimental basis. We don't know if they will work or not.
The only thing that can be done is to intubate the patient and then let him/her breathe through the machine, resting the lungs, waiting for the immune system to defeat the virus.
It is true that those who die are often elderly and with co-pathologies, but there are many young people in intensive care. Our youngest patient is 38 years old and had no other problems.
The real problem is that many people need ventilatory assistance and there are no fans for everyone. Already yesterday in my hospital they called me, I am in cardiology intensive care, asking me to give them one of our fans. We only have two left. I gave it to her and a patient whose tubes had been removed for the respiration helped the day before, normally in these cases, the ventilator is kept nearby because sometimes patients go into crisis and must be intubated, if this patient goes in crisis the fan is not there.
Basically they told us that in these days we will have to choose who to intubate, so we favor young people and those without other pathologies. In Niguarda, which is another hospital, they no longer intubate patients over the age of 60, that is, truly young people.
So the situation is really very serious. The virus is really very contagious. It has 14 days of incubation, so even if one person has been infected, that person is completely symptom-free for 14 days and can infect an incredible number of people. So the concept is that the only way not to have a massacre is to ensure that there are as few contagions as possible and if there should be, that they are spread over time. This is because if I have 10,000 sick people all at the same time and we have 3000 fans in Italy (as it is), and if all those 10,000 need to be ventilated and intubated, 7000 dies.
If, on the other hand, I manage to move the infection further and reduce the speed of infection, when the new ones get sick, the old ones who are already intubated will probably be healed and have freed the fan.
The only things to do are what they are already saying around, so it's true, staying at home, no cinema, no exhibitions, no walking around, shops as little as possible, closed schools, football in the afternoon closed, no dinners outside, avoid staying in contact with other people and washing your hands as much as possible. Soap and alcoholic solutions such as Amuchina work well. The virus on surfaces remains, but it only lasts 30-40 minutes. The only way to make sure it goes away is to wash with bleach and leave the bleach in contact for 40 minutes.
You in Rome are in the same situation we were in Milan ten days ago and I assure you that in ten days there has been an incredible escalation of the thing.
Lombardy is collapsing and it is the Region that is doing better in terms of health so I cannot think what could happen if the problem extends to the less efficient regions.
For children, there are no serious cases. Some children are positive but, potentially, as with all viruses such as chickenpox measles and others, tendentially even if they take them they develop a much less aggressive form than in adults. But they are crazy greasers because maybe the child is infected, does not develop symptoms goes to grandparents and ... basically kills grandparents.
So there too try to limit the contact between children and grandparents.
So, without panicking, however, it is not something that should be underestimated. So, those who can stay in the house as much as possible without seeing anybody, they should.
If you have questions, doubts, perplexities, I am here, I keep going to the hospital. "

 

[frenchbriefs]

At the end of the day it's a virus for old people,and this is no country for old people.

 

[eatshitndie]

not only old with pre-existing conditions but smokers too including young smokers with compromised lungs. italy, iran, south korea, japan, china (and sg) are cuntries with more and more smokers. u.s. have vapers and smokers too among her young population. no planet for smokers.

 

[glockman]

not only old with pre-existing conditions but smokers too including young smokers with compromised lungs. italy, iran, south korea, japan, china (and sg) are cuntries with more and more smokers. u.s. have vapers and smokers too among her young population. no planet for smokers.

Dagobah planet in the Dagobah system, go there I shall. To smoke.

 

[nayr69sg]

Summary of problem :

1) Covid19 is EXTREMELY infective. ie virtually everyone will get exposed to this eventually.
2) Hospital capacity/Tertiary care access/Ventilator availability. If you overwhelm the system with too many SERIOUS cases at the SAME TIME then the problem is there will be people without access to the ventilators and die. Thus mortality rate is higher.
3) The strategy is to try to keep the number of serious cases under a certain level for an extended period so that you can treat everyone slowly over that time. ie Controlled exposure.

One thing I have not quite seen in data is what is the percentage of patients who do need ventilators? This is important so we have an idea how many people we can afford to have exposed per 14 days.

 

[glockman]

Yes, the main concern is the over-whelming of hospitals to the extent that the hospitals cannot cope.

 

[Leongsam]

For people of this forum but not for Leongsam
Leongsam is so full of himself that he cannot understand just how stupid he appears to us all here.

Here is the message from a cardiologist working in an ICU ward in Milan that will give you the proper perspective on what is happening:

"I am Martina, I am a cardiologist in an intensive care unit in a hospital in Milan.
The situation is very serious, in the sense that this virus is extremely contagious. It is true that many do not show symptoms, it is true that many get by without too many problems, but it is also true that many people develop what is called bilateral interstitial pneumonia that, basically, needs respiratory support.
We don't have drugs because it's a virus and therefore antibiotics don't work. We are giving a cocktail of drugs that are used in viruses such as AIDS but on a completely experimental basis. We don't know if they will work or not.
The only thing that can be done is to intubate the patient and then let him/her breathe through the machine, resting the lungs, waiting for the immune system to defeat the virus.
It is true that those who die are often elderly and with co-pathologies, but there are many young people in intensive care. Our youngest patient is 38 years old and had no other problems.
The real problem is that many people need ventilatory assistance and there are no fans for everyone. Already yesterday in my hospital they called me, I am in cardiology intensive care, asking me to give them one of our fans. We only have two left. I gave it to her and a patient whose tubes had been removed for the respiration helped the day before, normally in these cases, the ventilator is kept nearby because sometimes patients go into crisis and must be intubated, if this patient goes in crisis the fan is not there.
Basically they told us that in these days we will have to choose who to intubate, so we favor young people and those without other pathologies. In Niguarda, which is another hospital, they no longer intubate patients over the age of 60, that is, truly young people.
So the situation is really very serious. The virus is really very contagious. It has 14 days of incubation, so even if one person has been infected, that person is completely symptom-free for 14 days and can infect an incredible number of people. So the concept is that the only way not to have a massacre is to ensure that there are as few contagions as possible and if there should be, that they are spread over time. This is because if I have 10,000 sick people all at the same time and we have 3000 fans in Italy (as it is), and if all those 10,000 need to be ventilated and intubated, 7000 dies.
If, on the other hand, I manage to move the infection further and reduce the speed of infection, when the new ones get sick, the old ones who are already intubated will probably be healed and have freed the fan.
The only things to do are what they are already saying around, so it's true, staying at home, no cinema, no exhibitions, no walking around, shops as little as possible, closed schools, football in the afternoon closed, no dinners outside, avoid staying in contact with other people and washing your hands as much as possible. Soap and alcoholic solutions such as Amuchina work well. The virus on surfaces remains, but it only lasts 30-40 minutes. The only way to make sure it goes away is to wash with bleach and leave the bleach in contact for 40 minutes.
You in Rome are in the same situation we were in Milan ten days ago and I assure you that in ten days there has been an incredible escalation of the thing.
Lombardy is collapsing and it is the Region that is doing better in terms of health so I cannot think what could happen if the problem extends to the less efficient regions.
For children, there are no serious cases. Some children are positive but, potentially, as with all viruses such as chickenpox measles and others, tendentially even if they take them they develop a much less aggressive form than in adults. But they are crazy greasers because maybe the child is infected, does not develop symptoms goes to grandparents and ... basically kills grandparents.
So there too try to limit the contact between children and grandparents.
So, without panicking, however, it is not something that should be underestimated. So, those who can stay in the house as much as possible without seeing anybody, they should.
If you have questions, doubts, perplexities, I am here, I keep going to the hospital. "

By starting this thread it shows how stupid you are.

Nobody is saying that that the corona virus cannot be fatal. There a hundreds of diseases that can kill and especially vulnerable are those that are already unhealthy.

And of course there will be some seemingly fit and healthy people who succumb too.

However what is NOT happening is that the corona virus is not being viewed in relation to other threats. It is being viewed as a death sentence rather than an infection that is mild in more than 80% of those that catch it.


Here's the stats for flu from an article published just before all this corona shit hit the fan.

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Flu Taking a Toll, Pediatric Deaths Hit 17-Year High

Share on PinterestThe flu is still spreading as we near peak flu season. Getty Images

• Northern and western states are now being hit hard.
• Currently the influenza B strain is appearing most often around the country.
• The CDC announced high numbers of pediatric deaths related to the flu.

The United States may be gearing up for one of the worst flu seasons in years, health experts predict.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported Friday that there have been 32 pediatric deaths so far this season. That’s the most flu-related deaths we’ve seen in children since the CDC started tracking flu numbers 17 years ago.

That’s the most flu-related deaths we’ve seen at this point in the season in years, though that’s largely due to the earlier start we got this year. (To put this into perspective, at this time last year, there had only been 16 pediatric deaths.)

Most of the pediatric deaths have been linked to influenza B — a strain young children are particularly susceptible to. Now, influenza A appears to be gaining momentum, upping the risk that this flu season will be even more severe than expected.

In total, there have been at least 9.7 million cases of the flu, at least 87,000 flu-related hospitalization, and up to 12,000 deaths, according to the CDC.

Forty-six states plus Puerto Rico are currently experiencing widespread flu activity, though the type of strain and incidence vary from region to region.

“Since mid-December, influenza activity has really ramped up,” said Marie-Louise Landry, MD, a Yale Medicine infectious disease expert and the director of the Yale Clinical Virology Laboratory. “All four influenza strains are circulating, but so far A/H1 and B/Victoria have been more common.”

 

[Leongsam]

Here's an article about Swine Flu from 10 years ago before we had all this social media rubbish to stir things up and cause panic.

Swine flu has killed up to 17,000 in U.S.: report



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday.


The H1N1 flu virus (red) is pictured in this handout photograph taken on July 9, 2009 and released on July 13, 2009. REUTERS/Image courtesy of Yoshihiro Kawaoka/University of Wisconsin-Madiso/Handout

The swine flu pandemic put as many people into the hospital as during the normal influenza season — but most were younger adults and children instead of the elderly, and it was during the months when usually very little or no flu is circulating, the CDC said.

In a separate study that helped shed light on why so many children were seriously affected, researchers reported on four children who developed a serious infection of the heart from swine flu, including one who died.

“CDC estimates that between 41 million and 84 million cases of 2009 H1N1 occurred between April 2009 and January 16, 2010,” the agency said in a statement. Usually the CDC goes with a middle number, which it puts at about 57 million people infected.

Between 8,330 and 17,160 people died during that time from H1N1, with a middle range of about 12,000, the CDC said. But between 880 and 1,800 children died, up to 13,000 adults under the age of 65 and only 1,000 to 2,000 elderly.

In a normal flu season, the CDC estimates that 36,000 Americans die of flu, but 90 percent are over the age of 65. The CDC estimates that 200,000 go into the hospital, again mostly frail elderly people with other health conditions.

The swine flu pandemic has affected much younger people.

The CDC estimate shows that between 183,000 and 378,000 people were hospitalized with H1N1 swine flu from April to January.

In an average flu season, about 82 children die in the United States, the CDC says. But those are lab-confirmed cases.

ACCURATE ESTIMATES

The CDC and the World Health Organization stopped trying to count all the actual cases months ago, once it became clear that H1N1 was a pandemic that would infect millions.

WHO’s count of lab-confirmed cases showed that at least 15,292 people had died in 212 countries and territories.

But WHO and the CDC note there are nowhere near enough diagnostic tests to give to everyone with flu-like symptoms to see if they really have swine flu.
The CDC therefore does its estimates based on models, calculated by looking intensively at small groups of people, gathering data on overall reports of sickness and death, and reconciling the two.

That is also how the CDC comes up with its annual estimates for seasonal flu, and experts agree these estimates are far more accurate than counting confirmed cases.
H1N1 is causing some unusual symptoms. In a report published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology, Dr. Andras Bratincsak of Rady Children’s Hospital and the University of California San Diego reported on four cases of a heart inflammation called myocarditis among children there in just one month.

“We present the first known report of acute myocarditis in pediatric population associated with the present pandemic H1N1 influenza A virus infection,” they wrote.
Viral myocarditis is extremely rare and one child died and two required extracorporeal membrane oxygenation support or ECMO — an extreme type of life support similar to heart-lung bypass machines used during open-heart surgery.

“Our observations warrant a high index of suspicion for myocarditis in children with H1N1 influenza A infection. Early detection and aggressive management are paramount,” Bratincsak’s team wrote.

Editing by Peter Cooney

 

[Leongsam]

And here is the situation for seasonal flu this year.

UPDATE: Influenza Deaths Now Total 20,000, Including Elevated Number of 136 Children

Chris Hondros/Getty ImagesPENNY STARR6 Mar 20205385
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The number of people who have died from seasonal influenza so far has now reached 20,000, including 136 influenza-associated deaths in children, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported as of February 29.

This is up from 18,000 just a week ago.

“This number [of children] is higher for the same time period than in every season since reporting began in 2004-05, except for the 2009 pandemic,” the CDC reported.
As the world gears up to battle the coronavirus, which has killed more than 3,460 worldwide, including 13 deaths in the United States in the state of Washington, the CDC is engaged in its usual battle to inform people about influenza and its dangers:

Influenza (flu) is a contagious respiratory illness caused by influenza viruses. It can cause mild to severe illness. Serious outcomes of flu infection can result in hospitalization or death. Some people, such as older people, young children, and people with certain health conditions, are at high risk of serious flu complications. There are two main types of influenza (flu) virus: Types A and B. The influenza A and B viruses that routinely spread in people (human influenza viruses) are responsible for seasonal flu epidemics each year.
The best way to prevent flu is by getting vaccinated each year.

“CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 34 million flu illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths from flu,” the CDC’s Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report said.

“Antiviral medications are an important adjunct to flu vaccine in the control of influenza,” the report said. Almost all (more than 99 percent) of the influenza viruses tested this season are susceptible to the four FDA-approved influenza antiviral medications recommended for use in the U.S. this season.”
The CDC report reveals where influenza cases exist on a state-by-state basis.

• High – New York City, Puerto Rico, and 40 states (Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming)
• Moderate – seven states (Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Dakota)
• Low – one state (Idaho)
• Minimal – the District of Columbia and two states (Arizona and Florida)

The CDC said influenza reports from the U.S. Virgin Islands have been sporadic and that Guam did not report.
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[nirvarq]

Stop reading when i saw this.

'It is true that many do not show symptoms, it is true that many get by without too many problems, but it is also true that MANY people develop what is called bilateral interstitial pneumonia that, basically, needs respiratory support. '

If many did not show symptoms and without problem then only FEW will show other symptoms this is just logic. Wrong use of words to mislead the naive and those of lower IQ.

 

[tanwahtiu]

If I recommend something for this it will be out of stock soon ... then sobo myself....

It become ISA...

 

[sweetiepie]

Summary of problem :

1) Covid19 is EXTREMELY infective. ie virtually everyone will get exposed to this eventually.
2) Hospital capacity/Tertiary care access/Ventilator availability. If you overwhelm the system with too many SERIOUS cases at the SAME TIME then the problem is there will be people without access to the ventilators and die. Thus mortality rate is higher.
3) The strategy is to try to keep the number of serious cases under a certain level for an extended period so that you can treat everyone slowly over that time. ie Controlled exposure.

One thing I have not quite seen in data is what is the percentage of patients who do need ventilators? This is important so we have an idea how many people we can afford to have exposed per 14 days.

In this case gov should use more money buying saf toys to buy more ventilators and schedule a exposure schedule for everyone

 

[sweetiepie]

Stop reading when i saw this.

'It is true that many do not show symptoms, it is true that many get by without too many problems, but it is also true that MANY people develop what is called bilateral interstitial pneumonia that, basically, needs respiratory support. '

If many did not show symptoms and without problem then only FEW will show other symptoms this is just logic. Wrong use of words to mislead the naive and those of lower IQ.

For this type of statement normally my uncle will take the most serious part as guide in this case shall be many people will develop bilateral interstitial pneumonia KNN same rike eg when you goto a financial consultant and he recommend some funds he will tell you all the positive items until during signing time he will then disclose some negative then usually my uncle will chicken out KNN

 

[Leongsam]

Passed by this cafe in Auckland. Queue to get in.

Everybody enjoying an extended Friday lunch. No masks, no panic, no anxiety.

 

[LaoTze]

Here's an article about Swine Flu from 10 years ago before we had all this social media rubbish to stir things up and cause panic.

Swine flu has killed up to 17,000 in U.S.: report



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday.


The H1N1 flu virus (red) is pictured in this handout photograph taken on July 9, 2009 and released on July 13, 2009. REUTERS/Image courtesy of Yoshihiro Kawaoka/University of Wisconsin-Madiso/Handout

The swine flu pandemic put as many people into the hospital as during the normal influenza season — but most were younger adults and children instead of the elderly, and it was during the months when usually very little or no flu is circulating, the CDC said.

In a separate study that helped shed light on why so many children were seriously affected, researchers reported on four children who developed a serious infection of the heart from swine flu, including one who died.

“CDC estimates that between 41 million and 84 million cases of 2009 H1N1 occurred between April 2009 and January 16, 2010,” the agency said in a statement. Usually the CDC goes with a middle number, which it puts at about 57 million people infected.

Between 8,330 and 17,160 people died during that time from H1N1, with a middle range of about 12,000, the CDC said. But between 880 and 1,800 children died, up to 13,000 adults under the age of 65 and only 1,000 to 2,000 elderly.

In a normal flu season, the CDC estimates that 36,000 Americans die of flu, but 90 percent are over the age of 65. The CDC estimates that 200,000 go into the hospital, again mostly frail elderly people with other health conditions.

The swine flu pandemic has affected much younger people.

The CDC estimate shows that between 183,000 and 378,000 people were hospitalized with H1N1 swine flu from April to January.

In an average flu season, about 82 children die in the United States, the CDC says. But those are lab-confirmed cases.

ACCURATE ESTIMATES

The CDC and the World Health Organization stopped trying to count all the actual cases months ago, once it became clear that H1N1 was a pandemic that would infect millions.

WHO’s count of lab-confirmed cases showed that at least 15,292 people had died in 212 countries and territories.

But WHO and the CDC note there are nowhere near enough diagnostic tests to give to everyone with flu-like symptoms to see if they really have swine flu.
The CDC therefore does its estimates based on models, calculated by looking intensively at small groups of people, gathering data on overall reports of sickness and death, and reconciling the two.

That is also how the CDC comes up with its annual estimates for seasonal flu, and experts agree these estimates are far more accurate than counting confirmed cases.
H1N1 is causing some unusual symptoms. In a report published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology, Dr. Andras Bratincsak of Rady Children’s Hospital and the University of California San Diego reported on four cases of a heart inflammation called myocarditis among children there in just one month.

“We present the first known report of acute myocarditis in pediatric population associated with the present pandemic H1N1 influenza A virus infection,” they wrote.
Viral myocarditis is extremely rare and one child died and two required extracorporeal membrane oxygenation support or ECMO — an extreme type of life support similar to heart-lung bypass machines used during open-heart surgery.

“Our observations warrant a high index of suspicion for myocarditis in children with H1N1 influenza A infection. Early detection and aggressive management are paramount,” Bratincsak’s team wrote.

Editing by Peter Cooney

Keep your counter ticking.
This only the start of the very beginning
In couple of weeks, USA will have more than China Italy Iran and rest of the world.

The dying will get more , and more , and more.

And those deaths you attribute to flu in USA?
Its be discovered through post humous excavation and tests that those were not flu deaths but covid tests, even before wuhan crisis started

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/wu...ut-very-likely-to-have-started-in-usa.281384/

As I said before, this thread not for leongsam as he too fucking full of himself

Forward this on your WhatsApp and make this go viral.
Get this onto the handphones of all in Singapore

VOTE OUT ALL THE MAGGOTS AND MAGGOTESS IN WHITE AND TURN STINKAPORE BACK INTO SINGAPORE
OR OUR KIDS END UP BECOMING SECURITY GUARDS TO BE KICKED IN FACE BY CECAs OR PANDA FOOD DELIVERIES OR PICKING UP CARDBOARDS OR SELLING TISSUE PAPER IN HAWKER CENTERS

 

[Leongsam]

Keep your counter ticking.
This only the start of the very beginning
In couple of weeks, USA will have more than China Italy Iran and rest of the world.

The dying will get more , and more , and more.

And those deaths you attribute to flu in USA?
Its be discovered through post humous excavation and tests that those were not flu deaths but covid tests, even before wuhan crisis started

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/wu...ut-very-likely-to-have-started-in-usa.281384/

As I said before, this thread not for leongsam as he too fucking full of himself

Forward this on your WhatsApp and make this go viral.
Get this onto the handphones of all in Singapore

VOTE OUT ALL THE MAGGOTS AND MAGGOTESS IN WHITE AND TURN STINKAPORE BACK INTO SINGAPORE
OR OUR KIDS END UP BECOMING SECURITY GUARDS TO BE KICKED IN FACE BY CECAs OR PANDA FOOD DELIVERIES OR PICKING UP CARDBOARDS OR SELLING TISSUE PAPER IN HAWKER CENTERS

Why not dig up a few thousand bodies in China to conduct posthumous analysis of what killed them too?

If it had started elsewhere the epicentre wouldn't have been in China.

On a daily basis the media has to latch on to something to feed this corona virus story or it will start to die down and they'll lose traffic.

Tomorrow you'll probably see a new article adding another twist to the melodrama and you'll swallow it hook, line and sinker.

 

[whoami]

Up to 150 million Americans could get coronavirus: US projection

WASHINGTON: Between 70 and 150 million people in the United States could eventually be infected with the novel coronavirus, according to a projection shared with Congress, a lawmaker said on Thursday (Mar 12).

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib made the remarks during a hearing of the House of Representatives with members of the president's coronavirus task force, confirming earlier reports by US media outlets including Axios and NBC News.

"Congress's attending physician told the Senate that he expects between 70 to 150 million people to eventually contract the coronavirus in the United States," Tlaib said.

Axios had reported that doctor Brian Monahan conveyed the projection to Senate senior staff on Tuesday, telling them they should prepare for the worst and offering advice on how to remain healthy.

The upper end of the projection is about 46 per cent of the US population of 327 million people. By comparison German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned this week that up to 70 per cent of her country's population could get the virus.

Asked by Tlaib whether he believed the projection was accurate, Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), told the hearing: "We really need to be careful with those kinds of predictions because that's based on a model."

He added that "all models are as good as the assumptions that you put into the model" and that with containment and mitigation the upper end of the projection could be avoided.

About 80 per cent of coronavirus cases are mild, and the overall mortality rate is around 1 per cent, according to the latest estimate provided by Fauci to Congress on Wednesday.

At the low end of the projection this would mean about 700,000 deaths. At the high end it would mean 1.5 million deaths.

Heart disease was the leading cause of death for Americans in 2018, with just over 650,000 deaths in 2018. The flu and pneumonia caused around 60,000 deaths.

As of Friday, there has been more than 1,600 cases and 40 deaths in the US, according to a tracker maintained by Johns Hopkins University.

Risk from coronavirus starts to increase for people who are over 60 and is heightened more for those over 80, as well as for people with conditions like diabetes, heart disease or lung disease, or whose immune systems are compromised.

Fauci noted that a 2014 model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) projected the African Ebola outbreak could affect more than a million people. But this was eventually not the case and the final number was under 30,000.

'FAILING' ON ACCESS TO TESTS

Fauci also responded to a query about people having difficulty getting access to tests, for which US authorities have come under severe criticism.

"The system is not really geared to what we need right now, what you are asking for. That is a failing," said Fauci. "Let's admit it."

"The idea of anybody getting it easily, the way people in other countries are doing it, we're not set up for that. Do I think we should be? Yes, but we're not."

Vice President Mike Pence, the White House's pointman for the crisis, claimed earlier this week that "a million tests are in the field" and four million would be going out soon.

But the CDC's director Robert Redfield said that the kits were not operational because there was a shortage of substances that activated them, called re-agents, and they also required more nasal swabs and trained staff.

 

[nayr69sg]

2 million will die in USA

 

[Leongsam]

This testing shit is just a waste of time. The coronavirus is not new. This group of viruses around for centuries and is the cause of 15% of common colds.

Most of the time it causes a mild infection but because the viruses mutate new strains to which we have no immunity can cause a lot more damage which is what is happening now.

The current strategy of containment is ill advised because the efforts to contain the virus are far more harmful than the virus itself.

The best way to handle this current so called pandemic is simply to allow it to spread throughout the population and this will boost immunity levels.

The immune system needs a workout in order to stay healthy. Trying to lead sterile lives doesn't make you more healthy it actually makes you weaker. This is why Singaporeans who have been mollycoddled end up getting stomach bugs when they go to neighboring countries where hygiene is lacking.

From a scientific standpoint we should let the infection run its course. This will start the process of gaining some immunity to the infection and it will then get milder as time goes by. Of course there will be some that succumb but that's part and parcel of life and true for any disease. We are not yet immortal.

Sadly politics rather than logic and sound science is now the order of the day. We have gone backwards rather than forwards.

This coronavirus is not a one off. New strains will come along and probably with increasing frequency. Containment of the current -19 will make us more vulnerable to new mutations in the future.

 

[LaoTze]

Up to 150 million Americans could get coronavirus: US projection

WASHINGTON: Between 70 and 150 million people in the United States could eventually be infected with the novel coronavirus, according to a projection shared with Congress, a lawmaker said on Thursday (Mar 12).

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib made the remarks during a hearing of the House of Representatives with members of the president's coronavirus task force, confirming earlier reports by US media outlets including Axios and NBC News.

"Congress's attending physician told the Senate that he expects between 70 to 150 million people to eventually contract the coronavirus in the United States," Tlaib said.

Axios had reported that doctor Brian Monahan conveyed the projection to Senate senior staff on Tuesday, telling them they should prepare for the worst and offering advice on how to remain healthy.

The upper end of the projection is about 46 per cent of the US population of 327 million people. By comparison German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned this week that up to 70 per cent of her country's population could get the virus.

Asked by Tlaib whether he believed the projection was accurate, Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), told the hearing: "We really need to be careful with those kinds of predictions because that's based on a model."

He added that "all models are as good as the assumptions that you put into the model" and that with containment and mitigation the upper end of the projection could be avoided.

About 80 per cent of coronavirus cases are mild, and the overall mortality rate is around 1 per cent, according to the latest estimate provided by Fauci to Congress on Wednesday.

At the low end of the projection this would mean about 700,000 deaths. At the high end it would mean 1.5 million deaths.

Heart disease was the leading cause of death for Americans in 2018, with just over 650,000 deaths in 2018. The flu and pneumonia caused around 60,000 deaths.

As of Friday, there has been more than 1,600 cases and 40 deaths in the US, according to a tracker maintained by Johns Hopkins University.

Risk from coronavirus starts to increase for people who are over 60 and is heightened more for those over 80, as well as for people with conditions like diabetes, heart disease or lung disease, or whose immune systems are compromised.

Fauci noted that a 2014 model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) projected the African Ebola outbreak could affect more than a million people. But this was eventually not the case and the final number was under 30,000.

'FAILING' ON ACCESS TO TESTS

Fauci also responded to a query about people having difficulty getting access to tests, for which US authorities have come under severe criticism.

"The system is not really geared to what we need right now, what you are asking for. That is a failing," said Fauci. "Let's admit it."

"The idea of anybody getting it easily, the way people in other countries are doing it, we're not set up for that. Do I think we should be? Yes, but we're not."

Vice President Mike Pence, the White House's pointman for the crisis, claimed earlier this week that "a million tests are in the field" and four million would be going out soon.

But the CDC's director Robert Redfield said that the kits were not operational because there was a shortage of substances that activated them, called re-agents, and they also required more nasal swabs and trained staff.

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