In bangkok itself, they have started to prohibit hawkers from using pedestrian walkways to do their business.
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Chitchat Fei Siong Says Hawker Serfs Paying Extra $650 A Mth For QA Very Reasonable! One Hawker Gladly Paid $1000!
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... then it will be the next and the next. The only way is prevent ongoing defecation is to plugged and shut up the shithole. Yes, it's gonna be a dirty job but WE people have to do it. Thinkall's Singularity - the I and the collective WE. Please...
This issue is not just about Fei Siong as intended via this thread. It's all about the unscrupulous PAP LEEders and their LEElated agencies setting up their golden taps, but under the guise of social community service. How could the results be fruitful when the original intent was not noble? It's just sheer complacency and incompetency. How can national LEEders be allowed to squeeze and milk the people to do charity while they themselves are self-serving for MONEY and GLORY! This is what our so-called national LEEders are DOING TO innocent Singaporeans. This present day Singapore's version of meritocracy - the powerful merits everything.
Not being profit driven vs cost-recovery basis is very different. As in all other attempts at privatization by the government, the costs to the consumer (sinkies) always goes up.
It would be a different story if the government mandated cost-recovery pricing by the operators instead of "not profit driven" which has no legal impact whatsoever on their bottom line.
In fact there would less administration involved in the cost recovery model. Government just needs tonlook at the annual financials of the operators to determine if they are profiteering or not. Any profits above X% must be returned to stall holders as rebate and price discounts to customers.
This oppie fake news media TOC doesn't know when to back off. Maybe I should rustle up a few grassroots leaders and go have a talk with their boss?
After it was reported in mainstream media that Fei Siong Food Management has said that the $600 stall inspection fee is optional, TOC went down to Ci Yuan Hawker Centre to talk to the hawkers today (10 Sep).
National Environment Agency (NEA) currently outsources the management of Ci Yuan Hawker Centre at Hougang to a middleman, Fei Siong Food Management – supposedly a "social enterprise" operator.
Speaking to MSM, Fei Siong's group general manager Joe Sng clarified that the $600 inspection fee and $50 coin exchange fee are "optional". He said, "We believe it's some miscommunication from our team to hawkers."
He explained that the $600 fee was introduced in July to address concerns by the management on food portions sold by hawkers. After complaints from residents about shrinking food portions, the management introduced the $600 quality control service to address this issue, he added.
TOC talked to some of the hawkers who, understandably, did not want their names to be quoted.
A Chinese-cooked food stall owner shared that she has to pay the $600 inspection fee. Surprisingly, she added that the management has already been charging an inspection fee since last year. It was $700 last year and this year, it was reduced to $600 for some reasons. She also shared that the $50 coin exchange fee is not optional and has to be paid whether the service is being used or not. Pointing at the malfunctioned money collection machine, she said, "if this was still working, we would have to pay for this as well."
Another cooked-food stall told TOC that she was not aware that the inspection is optional. When told that the management had told mainstream news media that inspection fee is optional, she said, "If the contract writes that we have to pay, nothing much we can contest about." This stall owner has assumed that the inspection fee is meant for hygiene inspection.
A nasi-lemak stall worker also said that it was never told to them that the inspection fee is optional, and that it was just listed in the contract as one of the fees which have to be paid in order to rent the stall.
A roasted-meat stall owner added that there was no choice for him as far as the inspection fee goes. This is because it was already stated in the contract given to him by the management. In other words, it's either one signs the contract including the inspection fee as a whole or not signs at all.
But the roasted-meat hawker did say that regardless of the inspection fee, it is still somewhat cheaper than renting a stall in some privately-run coffeeshops. Then again, when one compares the hawker stalls at Ci Yuan with those run by NEA directly, it is definitely still cheaper for hawkers to operate at the NEA-managed hawker centres on the average.
Makansutra founder KF Seetoh wrote on this blog, "These hawkers in the new hawker centres (run by social enterprises) pay in total (with a laundry list of extra services and charges), an average of $4000, more than what it cost the highest bidder in Maxwell Hawker Centre - arguably the most popular hawker centre in Singapore - where it hovers between two to three thousand dollars a month in total."
Interestingly, a Muslim food stall owner shared that he does not need to pay the $600 inspection fee. He told TOC that his stall was not charged as it is under a different scheme since he only came in Feb this year. According to him, he pays around $3-4k, with the utilities being a varying factor of the monthly expenses.
And for the stalls that pay the $600 inspection fee, they told TOC that they also pay around $3-4k after the inclusion of the inspection fee. This begs the question of whether the $600 is to offset the cheaper rentals charged by Fei Siong under a different scheme.
Then, it also appears that the inspection fees imposed by Fei Siong are not uniform. A drink stall staff shared that their stall had to pay $1000 a month while the rest of the stalls pay $600 a month for inspection. When asked why the difference, she only shook her head and said, "It is just stated in the contract, nothing much to say."
Perhaps it takes more efforts for Fei Siong to inspect drinks than food?
After it was reported in mainstream media that Fei Siong Food Management has said that the $600 stall inspection fee is optional, TOC went down to Ci Yuan Hawker Centre to talk to the hawkers today (10 Sep).
National Environment Agency (NEA) currently outsources the management of Ci Yuan Hawker Centre at Hougang to a middleman, Fei Siong Food Management – supposedly a "social enterprise" operator.
Speaking to MSM, Fei Siong's group general manager Joe Sng clarified that the $600 inspection fee and $50 coin exchange fee are "optional". He said, "We believe it's some miscommunication from our team to hawkers."
He explained that the $600 fee was introduced in July to address concerns by the management on food portions sold by hawkers. After complaints from residents about shrinking food portions, the management introduced the $600 quality control service to address this issue, he added.
TOC talked to some of the hawkers who, understandably, did not want their names to be quoted.
A Chinese-cooked food stall owner shared that she has to pay the $600 inspection fee. Surprisingly, she added that the management has already been charging an inspection fee since last year. It was $700 last year and this year, it was reduced to $600 for some reasons. She also shared that the $50 coin exchange fee is not optional and has to be paid whether the service is being used or not. Pointing at the malfunctioned money collection machine, she said, "if this was still working, we would have to pay for this as well."
Another cooked-food stall told TOC that she was not aware that the inspection is optional. When told that the management had told mainstream news media that inspection fee is optional, she said, "If the contract writes that we have to pay, nothing much we can contest about." This stall owner has assumed that the inspection fee is meant for hygiene inspection.
A nasi-lemak stall worker also said that it was never told to them that the inspection fee is optional, and that it was just listed in the contract as one of the fees which have to be paid in order to rent the stall.
A roasted-meat stall owner added that there was no choice for him as far as the inspection fee goes. This is because it was already stated in the contract given to him by the management. In other words, it's either one signs the contract including the inspection fee as a whole or not signs at all.
But the roasted-meat hawker did say that regardless of the inspection fee, it is still somewhat cheaper than renting a stall in some privately-run coffeeshops. Then again, when one compares the hawker stalls at Ci Yuan with those run by NEA directly, it is definitely still cheaper for hawkers to operate at the NEA-managed hawker centres on the average.
Makansutra founder KF Seetoh wrote on this blog, "These hawkers in the new hawker centres (run by social enterprises) pay in total (with a laundry list of extra services and charges), an average of $4000, more than what it cost the highest bidder in Maxwell Hawker Centre - arguably the most popular hawker centre in Singapore - where it hovers between two to three thousand dollars a month in total."
Interestingly, a Muslim food stall owner shared that he does not need to pay the $600 inspection fee. He told TOC that his stall was not charged as it is under a different scheme since he only came in Feb this year. According to him, he pays around $3-4k, with the utilities being a varying factor of the monthly expenses.
And for the stalls that pay the $600 inspection fee, they told TOC that they also pay around $3-4k after the inclusion of the inspection fee. This begs the question of whether the $600 is to offset the cheaper rentals charged by Fei Siong under a different scheme.
Then, it also appears that the inspection fees imposed by Fei Siong are not uniform. A drink stall staff shared that their stall had to pay $1000 a month while the rest of the stalls pay $600 a month for inspection. When asked why the difference, she only shook her head and said, "It is just stated in the contract, nothing much to say."
Perhaps it takes more efforts for Fei Siong to inspect drinks than food?
The Thai PM thinks like the PAP. Army man, wants total control ...sama sama like PAP lah.
We refer to Ms Joyce Lim's report, (Hawker centre model to be fine-tuned: Amy Khor; Sept 8).
The report presented a list of monthly fixed operating costs for a hawker at Hawker Centre@Our Tampines Hub, including a monthly rental of $3,000.
This is not representative of stall rentals at this hawker centre, as only three out of the 42 stalls have a monthly rental of $3,000.
Other than one stall with a rental of $1,500, the remaining 38 stalls have a rental of $2,000 each.
The list also included a $1,200 monthly cost to hire a worker to tend the night shift.
Only a third of the stalls have extended 24-hour operations.
The list included a cost of $3,000 a month, being "10 per cent food discount to be absorbed by stallholders".
As such a discount is part of a pricing plan to attract customers to the centre, and is proportional to the business volume and revenue, it would not be appropriate to cite it as a cost.
The discount does not apply to food items priced at $2.80, which all stalls have to offer two of.
Centralised dishwashing and cleaning costs were also cited in the list.
Besides rental, stallholders in all hawker centres as well as other food establishments have such ancillary costs as part of their business operations.
At our new hawker centres, the managing agents procure such operational services so that stallholders need focus on only their business.
For example, centralised dishwashing has improved cleanliness levels and increased productivity, and stallholders need not purchase their own crockery or hire hawker assistants to wash it.
As community dining rooms, our hawker centres provide good and affordable food for Singaporeans.
We also want to ensure that our hawkers earn a decent living so that the hawker trade can be sustained.
The alternative management model for new hawker centres has brought benefits to both patrons and stallholders, including providing a good and affordable mix of food, operating efficiency and innovative ideas.
We welcome feedback and will continue to refine the models for our future hawker centres.
Ivy Ong (Ms)
Director
Hawker Centres Division
National Environment Agency
The report presented a list of monthly fixed operating costs for a hawker at Hawker Centre@Our Tampines Hub, including a monthly rental of $3,000.
This is not representative of stall rentals at this hawker centre, as only three out of the 42 stalls have a monthly rental of $3,000.
Other than one stall with a rental of $1,500, the remaining 38 stalls have a rental of $2,000 each.
The list also included a $1,200 monthly cost to hire a worker to tend the night shift.
Only a third of the stalls have extended 24-hour operations.
The list included a cost of $3,000 a month, being "10 per cent food discount to be absorbed by stallholders".
As such a discount is part of a pricing plan to attract customers to the centre, and is proportional to the business volume and revenue, it would not be appropriate to cite it as a cost.
The discount does not apply to food items priced at $2.80, which all stalls have to offer two of.
Centralised dishwashing and cleaning costs were also cited in the list.
Besides rental, stallholders in all hawker centres as well as other food establishments have such ancillary costs as part of their business operations.
At our new hawker centres, the managing agents procure such operational services so that stallholders need focus on only their business.
For example, centralised dishwashing has improved cleanliness levels and increased productivity, and stallholders need not purchase their own crockery or hire hawker assistants to wash it.
As community dining rooms, our hawker centres provide good and affordable food for Singaporeans.
We also want to ensure that our hawkers earn a decent living so that the hawker trade can be sustained.
The alternative management model for new hawker centres has brought benefits to both patrons and stallholders, including providing a good and affordable mix of food, operating efficiency and innovative ideas.
We welcome feedback and will continue to refine the models for our future hawker centres.
Ivy Ong (Ms)
Director
Hawker Centres Division
National Environment Agency
Personally I find the whole concept of social enterprise, at least the way it's applied in Singapore, to be rather dubious.
It seems that there are certain financial advantages of incorporating as a social enterprise https://www.sbsgroup.com.sg/blog/company-incorporation-singapore-set-up-your-social-enterprise/ but I couldn't find any tight definition of what an organization needs to do tangibly to qualify for these perks. For e.g. https://raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/starting-a-social-enterprise.html gives a list of airy fairy guidelines that any smart marketer can spin to make any business seem like a social enterprise.
Contrast this to other entities like Foundations, IPCs and VWO that have very quantitatively defined prerequisites, the social enterprise concept cuts like a loosely connected marketing community where members congregate together, each with their own private agenda.
It seems that there are certain financial advantages of incorporating as a social enterprise https://www.sbsgroup.com.sg/blog/company-incorporation-singapore-set-up-your-social-enterprise/ but I couldn't find any tight definition of what an organization needs to do tangibly to qualify for these perks. For e.g. https://raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/starting-a-social-enterprise.html gives a list of airy fairy guidelines that any smart marketer can spin to make any business seem like a social enterprise.
Contrast this to other entities like Foundations, IPCs and VWO that have very quantitatively defined prerequisites, the social enterprise concept cuts like a loosely connected marketing community where members congregate together, each with their own private agenda.
Social enterprise should have no problem opening up their books for public scrutiny.
NTUC is the grand-daddy of social enterprises in Singapore. All other social enterprise started by private individuals seek to copy the success of NTUC.
And NTUC makes lots of dough. And it can afford to be a holding ground for PAP politicians in waiting.
Why so many Malaysian thingies? Do the vendors need to pay franchising fees too or is it an indication that our PAP LEEders need Malaysians to help with their Social Community Service projects? No wonder people are starting to associate Singapore as part of Malaysia, or olden days Malaya.
PAP LEEders and LEEches - What have you DONE TO Singapore and Singaporeans?
if i operate a jiuhu eatery business i would also want in on the sinkie market. after all, the sgd is strong which may translate to higher revenues, margins, and profits, sinkies have higher purchasing power, and most important sinkies are yau kui - year-round 6.9th month hungry ghosts swarming hawker centers, kopitiams, food courts, eateries and restaurants, choping tables, queueing up, makaning like zombies and then making a mess after meals....just like zombies. very formulaic, successful and well tested algorithm.
Yes, this is present day PEOPLE in a PAP-controlled Singapore. Disadvantaged Singaporeans in our own motherland. Who are the beneficiarie$ and who created it?
The rich getter richer and the $elf-$erving PAP LEEders becoming the riche$t and the most POWER-of-FOOLs. It's time to wake up to depose these traitors, and dispose their treacherous ways of marginalising the citizens. Claim back what is rightfully ours - our DIGNITY and our Motherland.
If we look at other Asian cities the best food are the street food with little or no QA or hyigene control. Ppl flock there and there aren’t mass poisoning that we know of.
And mow often than not , no one complained they are expensive or portions too small.
And mow often than not , no one complained they are expensive or portions too small.
PAP's Strategy: If there is no FEAR, then I WORRY!
PAP creates fear and the people will listen and worry.
PAP does something and the people will appreciate whatever is done.
When people appreciate, the golden taps will flow.
PAP LEEders become the richest and the most POWER-of-FOOL$.
PAP says "PAP LEEders will always be there ...for...the FOOL$$$$$$$$
How will hawker survive when they are forced to feed the PAP cronies?
Hence the current situation. Hawkers can come and go. They can suffer or die...as long as the money keeps flowing from the golden taps.
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