You need really polish up your skills if you are from the counter strike squad. This kind of arguement wont go down well, - it is ok to kill the person you have saved earlier. A-father-can-sell-his-daughter kind of theory. If this carry on, I have no doubt where your gang is heading.
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Fare Increase in Disguise
- Thread starter Goh Meng Seng
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You need really polish up your skills if you are from the counter strike squad. This kind of arguement wont go down well, - it is ok to kill the person you have saved earlier. A-father-can-sell-his-daughter kind of theory. If this carry on, I have no doubt where your gang is heading.
ACtually, I want to rebut him on this one... does he know how that $300billion reserves come about? I bet he would think PAP is so great that it can grow the reserves so well....
All proceeds from land sales go into the reserves direct. That's how it comes about. PAP acquire land cheap cheap from citizens, 80% of Singapore land... then sell them at high market prices. All proceeds go to the reserves. That's how the reserves can grow so fast.
Tang Liang Hong has touched on this issue before but it seems that people are still ignorant about it and still think that PAP is that almighty and great. Sigh.
Goh Meng Seng
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UpYoz_olo
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Please rejoin the thread on why 1st HDB buyers should enjoy large resale profits.
Your silence on this matter is deafening!
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See our million dollars brain at work. Strip you bare and still make you feel you benefited. Anyway Sinkaporeans no teeth and spine. Next erection (no election in Singapore only MIW's erection) still MIW wins.
Just ignore the bitch CASS888. A old virgin who dream about getting fucked only to be disappointed again and again. Even LKY prefers his wife to her and LHL prefers HC to her. Cheap whore (BAN ME AGAIN LA I DON"T CARE)
Just ignore the bitch CASS888. A old virgin who dream about getting fucked only to be disappointed again and again. Even LKY prefers his wife to her and LHL prefers HC to her. Cheap whore (BAN ME AGAIN LA I DON"T CARE)
So simple meh? Get a whole new job? Just for lower transport costs? Are u some kind of retard? If you work in city hall, u are not likely to be able to afford to live around there, unless u are some kind of minister of superscale civil servant. That is why u have to buy further out in the first place like in Tampines. The onus is not on you to reduce your transportation costs, it is on the Govt. That is what they are paid for, that is what every other govt. in the world tries to do except this one.
Thank you. Unfortunately, Mr Goh Meng Seng is resorting to the gutter politics of the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan DELIBERATELY selecting exceptions to show that the LTA is lying. The one who is lying is Goh Meng Seng this time round. And when you try to take Goh Meng Seng on, he harps on the 30%. Which part of "70% will pay lower fares does he not understand?"
Now I understand why Low Thia Khiang dropped him like hot coals!
Now I understand why Low Thia Khiang dropped him like hot coals!
I predict you're going to be the next one to get into trouble for defamation, since you cannot substantiate your statements.
Mr Secretary General, please provide numbers. Stop making bare statements without basis. Give solid numbers to show how $300 billion came from land sales. I am quite curious how sales of HDB flats generate $300 billioon in reserves. Come 'on ... remember ... land acquisition prices have been marked to market for quite a few years now. Every time you are asked to substantiate something, you throw even more wild and bare statements.
Since you ignored the truth on MRT fares, someone gave you hard numbers. But you just sidestepped and addressed other posts more to your liking.
Now I know why you had to leave a credible opposition party even while you were a mighty CEC member. Sylvia and Thia Khiang were astute to drop you like hot coals. With the likes of you in charge, I am sure that Chiam must be very glad NSP is no longer part of the SDA.
And I am not a him.
RIP NSP.
Mr Secretary General, please provide numbers. Stop making bare statements without basis. Give solid numbers to show how $300 billion came from land sales. I am quite curious how sales of HDB flats generate $300 billioon in reserves. Come 'on ... remember ... land acquisition prices have been marked to market for quite a few years now. Every time you are asked to substantiate something, you throw even more wild and bare statements.
Since you ignored the truth on MRT fares, someone gave you hard numbers. But you just sidestepped and addressed other posts more to your liking.
Now I know why you had to leave a credible opposition party even while you were a mighty CEC member. Sylvia and Thia Khiang were astute to drop you like hot coals. With the likes of you in charge, I am sure that Chiam must be very glad NSP is no longer part of the SDA.
And I am not a him.
RIP NSP.
Dear AndroAsc,
Thank you for your findings here. AS of now, I may not verify the figures here.
I do not think my point is weaken in any way. And I reiterate, I do not think 70% of people are benefiting. 70% may include those who are neutral.
Not all combination has been covered here. That is why I have asked PTC to provide us the matrix of fare comparisons for both MRT as well as main trunk services.
For example, if I need to take a MRT and then another bus to my work place, most likely I would prefer to take a trunk service directly to reach my work place instead. On the other hand, many people have given up on feeder service and chose to walk (within 10 min distance) or cycle to MRT stations instead.
Besides, we have not gone into the purely bus services comparison.
PTC did not put up the possible increases in fare for straight forward trips, either MRT or buses. It did not tell us that there is a possibility of more than 7% increase in fare!
We understand the complexity of the comparisons basically due to huge number of possible combination involved in a public transportation model. However, it is the transparency of the whole introduction of this new system that matters.
Goh Meng Seng
Thank you for your findings here. AS of now, I may not verify the figures here.
I do not think my point is weaken in any way. And I reiterate, I do not think 70% of people are benefiting. 70% may include those who are neutral.
Not all combination has been covered here. That is why I have asked PTC to provide us the matrix of fare comparisons for both MRT as well as main trunk services.
For example, if I need to take a MRT and then another bus to my work place, most likely I would prefer to take a trunk service directly to reach my work place instead. On the other hand, many people have given up on feeder service and chose to walk (within 10 min distance) or cycle to MRT stations instead.
Besides, we have not gone into the purely bus services comparison.
PTC did not put up the possible increases in fare for straight forward trips, either MRT or buses. It did not tell us that there is a possibility of more than 7% increase in fare!
We understand the complexity of the comparisons basically due to huge number of possible combination involved in a public transportation model. However, it is the transparency of the whole introduction of this new system that matters.
Goh Meng Seng
Dear Cass,
You don't even understand what I am saying. It is not about HDB, but rather, the land sales, which includes to HDB as well as commercial use.
There is no secret about this. The PAP government has admitted in parliament that proceeds from land sales do not go into the annual budget but straight into the reserves. It is just that people like you are ignorant of it because you do not follow parliamentary proceedings closely or didn't pay attention to it.
Goh Meng Seng
I think a table of all possible iterations using variations starting and ending locations would be good. I'm sure SMRT has done their homework and detailed statistics and while I don't have proof, I'm sure those bloodsuckers will earn more money from the fares ultimately. Since when does SMRT or any GLC or Stat Board do stuff that benefits Singaporeans?! I do admit that perhaps this time it is really benefiting some customers but definitely not all customers. I won't be surprised if they quietly raise fares or add additional charges and fees some time later.
However, as of now it is quite difficult to argue unless you can prove that a substantial amount of people use direct bus or direct MRT to work. Personally, I live near MRT and I don't take feeder bus (because the service sucks) and I also do not like the new fares.
I was under the impression that billions of dollars of Temasek and GIC came from the CPF savings of all Singaporeans? I'm sure the PAP make shitloads of money from land sales but I wasn't aware that it made that much money.
The Land Acquisition Act in the past allow PAP government to acquire land at dirt cheap prices. They have acquired about 80% of Singapore's land. The other 20% of land belongs to mainly those filthy rich people.
Selling land acquired definitely make tons of money to them. No doubt about it. Imagine when they acquire land, they pay a few dollars for one square meters. When they sell.... it is in the hundreds and thousands.
Goh Meng Seng
The Land Acquisition Act in the past allow PAP government to acquire land at dirt cheap prices. They have acquired about 80% of Singapore's land. The other 20% of land belongs to mainly those filthy rich people.
Selling land acquired definitely make tons of money to them. No doubt about it. Imagine when they acquire land, they pay a few dollars for one square meters. When they sell.... it is in the hundreds and thousands.
Goh Meng Seng
PAP MPs exchange beauty tips in parliament ... double sigh
Sinkees used to be able to take one bus to their destinations most of the time. Then the PAP forced you to take feeder bus and then MRT. Having to change bus/ MRT is already a regression in services, fares notwithstanding.
Changing bus and MRT wastes time. But stupid Sinkees do not understand that time is money.
Changing bus and MRT wastes time. But stupid Sinkees do not understand that time is money.
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UpYoz_olo
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What's your point Mr Goh?
You advocate high resale HDB flat profits for 1st time buyers and if govt cannot acquire land cheaply, how to generate the profits you wanted?
Also, if there is no buyers for the land, where's the profits???
The crux of the arguments is you are not happy that profits go to govt. You seem happy that profit go to people like you and your supporters, right???
I will be damn surprise if you can even keep your deposits in the coming election if you keep engaging people in this forum with your nonsense.
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ah seng, to really fight this gross profiteering, ALL MUST DEMAND THAT THE MONOPOLISED public transport company should not be PUBLIC LISTED COMPANY.
where is the anti-competition underdog when the nation needs them?
the profits leeported by SBS & SMRT are already a proof about their obscene profiteering. why does the gov allow such to happen?
where is the anti-competition underdog when the nation needs them?
the profits leeported by SBS & SMRT are already a proof about their obscene profiteering. why does the gov allow such to happen?
Wah lau, what a retard...
You fucking moron... rebutting you is a waste of time. graduate from school, get a job (and I hope you get a good paying job) then come here an tok cock okay? boy boy.
