FAP started out as socialists

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[h=2]PAP started out as socialists[/h]

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The writer (‘Opposition exploiting ‘Utopia’ theme – a road to disaster‘) has
simplified the issues again. And this time it is to cast the opposition members
as utopians and tyrants. And to humanize PAP, saying that they are not perfect,
but why change the system, just try to improve it.

I think that is fair enough. But I seriously have doubts that the writer has
thought through the issues while siding with PAP. Let me give some historical
lessons here.

1. Russia in 1918 was up in revolution because the Tsar was tyrannical, he
was very rich and his nobles were very rich, they kept the production systems
and the means for economic growth to themselves, they stagnated social mobility,
and they had most people in somewhat slavish conditions.

2. Are you saying KMT that was deposed by the communists were saints, or that
Batista of Cuba was a gentle despot? It was a time of upheaval, and both ends of
the spectrum whether despots or communists were guilty of brutality and
savagery.

3. Socialism actually was the compromise that saved the democracies from
those revolutions in that period.

Socialism is the way that opened up universal schooling and public health. It
was when the elites realized that they could not rule as before, but that the
stability of the country depended on compromises, which is why social mobility
and universal education are very much part of what defines a democracy, and that
it doesn’t matter who your father is, but the system will give you a fair shot
at the good life – these are the premises of socialism.

You are trying to brand the opposition as some wannabe tyrants, yet you have
never in all your articles talked about the incarceration of people under ISA,
you said most people who protest are not the poor, you are clueless as to what
it means to be poor, the poor cannot have this energy to protest when they
cannot even know what tomorrow brings, that is why the enlightened must make a
choice to protest on their behalf. That is why we are a community.

And you are confused. PAP is not a capitalist political party, its genesis is
from socialist roots, what we want them to do, is to go back to their roots, and
that is to show empathy for the ordinary Singaporeans.

And mostly, you do not understand Singaporeans. You have not been able to
appreciate the active citizenry coming forth. You would prefer that Singaporeans
be docile, that is how the PAP likes it. But you have no imagination that a
country of citizens who are aware will actually bring innovations and creations
into the economic realm. Did not LKY say that the US will always be more
innovative and creative than China, because its system is more open and
transparent?

And since you are into rich people, take a note from people like Bill Gates,
who have dedicated their wealth to helping the poor, and Warren Buffet, who
suggested that taxes are too low and favor the rich. It is a common mistake to
think that just because we ask for higher taxes, we are punishing the rich. In
fact, we are creating a bigger middle class to buy their
goods.

BK

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Yeah, then the Old Bastard backstabbed his Barisan Socialis mates, and locked up a lot of innocent folks who would stand in his way, branding them as Marxists or commies.

And the rest is history.
 
Yeah, then the Old Bastard backstabbed his Barisan Socialis mates, and locked up a lot of innocent folks who would stand in his way, branding them as Marxists or commies.

And the rest is history.

you are absolutely correct.
LKY was the defence solicitor for Lim Chin Siong initially when Lim was jailed by the British.
LKY was nobody at that time and he needed Lim badly and when LKY was established, he used dirty tricks to send Lim into jailed and the rest is history
 
China was once into cultural revolution. Mao locked up China and the country slid into cesspit. The progress of China shows one united people, one nation is the way to go. China is a nation of Han Ren; USA is a country of rojak people from various lands. Given time to develop and progress, China will go farther and achieve more than USA, whether system is open and transparent or not. The Chinese people under the Govt all pull in one direction. The USA with different self interest groups pull in different directions. The result? Govt shut down in USA. What a joke.
 
that is why lee family got one old virgin spinster, daughter in law died at age 31yo, and 1 albino son.
1 playboy son...

it is simply dharma. it is only your perspective that makes the above incidents "bad" or "good".
 
China was once into cultural revolution. Mao locked up China and the country slid into cesspit. The progress of China shows one united people, one nation is the way to go. China is a nation of Han Ren; USA is a country of rojak people from various lands. Given time to develop and progress, China will go farther and achieve more than USA, whether system is open and transparent or not. The Chinese people under the Govt all pull in one direction. The USA with different self interest groups pull in different directions. The result? Govt shut down in USA. What a joke.

EXACTLY! no terrorist of sovereign state has ever managed to achieve that.

i nominate the Tea Party as the most effective terror group (by results) in recent decades. IRA? ETA? ptui! TEA PARTY!!
 
China was once into cultural revolution. Mao locked up China and the country slid into cesspit. The progress of China shows one united people, one nation is the way to go. China is a nation of Han Ren; USA is a country of rojak people from various lands. Given time to develop and progress, China will go farther and achieve more than USA, whether system is open and transparent or not. The Chinese people under the Govt all pull in one direction. The USA with different self interest groups pull in different directions. The result? Govt shut down in USA. What a joke.


I tip my hat to the person who had paid you to post this drivel, newly registered astroturfer. :rolleyes:
 
China was once into cultural revolution. Mao locked up China and the country slid into cesspit. The progress of China shows one united people, one nation is the way to go. China is a nation of Han Ren; USA is a country of rojak people from various lands. Given time to develop and progress, China will go farther and achieve more than USA, whether system is open and transparent or not. The Chinese people under the Govt all pull in one direction. The USA with different self interest groups pull in different directions. The result? Govt shut down in USA. What a joke.



huh ???

the Chinese people are the most disunited bunch of people around.......selfish and corrupt...........look thru history, how many dynasties fell due to civil war or traitors helping foreign invaders............
 
PAP backed away from Socialism when they had to kowtow to foreign investors to bring in their capital. So PAP has to appear capitalist-friendly. In time, they become so inebriated with wealth that they became capitalists themselves.

4 legs good, 2 legs better!
 
Agree that PAP was a socialist party in the early days..

The this country gradually became a Monarchy with all cronies of the PAP bowing to one Master and his Family..
 
PAP backed away from Socialism when they had to kowtow to foreign investors to bring in their capital. So PAP has to appear capitalist-friendly. In time, they become so inebriated with wealth that they became capitalists themselves.

4 legs good, 2 legs better!

capitalism without morality or religion is a recipe for disaster. just look at china.
 
capitalism without morality or religion is a recipe for disaster. just look at china.


China is doing very well now. what disaster ? the Chinese people are very nationalistic and China will continue to prosper and advance with or without her current government.
 
China is doing very well now. what disaster ? the Chinese people are very nationalistic and China will continue to prosper and advance with or without her current government.

the disaster that befalls nations when capitalism trumps morality.
 
Nothing wrong with pulling in one direction but Mao pulled his people down. Deng was supposed to take over during the 60s.

China was once into cultural revolution. Mao locked up China and the country slid into cesspit. The progress of China shows one united people, one nation is the way to go. China is a nation of Han Ren; USA is a country of rojak people from various lands. Given time to develop and progress, China will go farther and achieve more than USA, whether system is open and transparent or not. The Chinese people under the Govt all pull in one direction. The USA with different self interest groups pull in different directions. The result? Govt shut down in USA. What a joke.
 
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