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Old Goat, Gay Loong and Goh Choked Dong have been defending their pathetic immigration policy ad nauseam. I look at all the things they have said and done to date and nothing makes sense at all. Unfortunately, many Sinkies believe it or not have actually swallowed this drivel. Summing up as follows:
1) We need these many new immigrants because our population growth rate is so low - Well, who's fault is this? Who was ramming the stop at 2 policy down our throats in the 70's and 80's? Lawyers who don't know anything about population growth should stop acting like they did. Also, how does othe low population growth countries like Japan manage without importing millions of FTs? Rather than examine why the birth rate is so low, and doing something about it, they just blindly allow every tom dick and harry in.
2) These new immigrants are skilled and we need these people - So, what the PAP is saying is that dispite our much vaunted world classs education system, we still cannot produce skilled people to do these jobs? In fact, our people are so unskilled that an Indian, or Chinese with degrees from Universities that we have never heard off is better than our graduates? If the PAP says that we don't have enough of these skilled people, who's fault is it? For decades, there was only NUS. They needed many more tertiary instituitions decades ago, and not the new flood of unis.
3) We need to reach a population of 6-6.5 million - Why? For critical mass? Where is the studies to show that this is necessary? PAP is so good at doing surveys, studies, committees, well lets see some hard evidence. Where is the infrastructure to support these people? What is the impact on housing prices, diseases, social ills etc. that these extra people bring. HFMD epidemic outbreak in S'pore? Are u shitting me? In the 70s, 80s, where got HFMD? Did the PAP just pull this number out of their ass?
4) These people are rigourously screened before they come here - Really? Why are there gang fights between PRC gangs, robberies, rapes, molestation, assaults etc. on such a regular scale than? Can MOM and ICA say they did criminal background checks on all these million plus people they let in? Or did the agents just bribe someone at ICA to let them in? How can background checks be verified in countries such as India and china where u can buy anything with a bribe.
5) These new immigrants will contribute to and help S'pore - There has been absolutely no evidence of this so far. On the contrary, the opposite seems to be true. We see new waves of crimes, immigrants displacing locals from jobs, causing the rise in housing prices, etc. They also do no do NS hence contributing nothing to the security and defence of the country.
6) Our population growth rate is too low, revisited - I think the population replacement rate is actually low, but not any lower than many industrialised countries. Where it differs is that not only do locals have to give birth at a rate that replaces the dead, they also have to give birth to replace the people that have left singapore for other countries. Lets face it, everyone in singapore knows a few people who have moved overseas on a permanently basis whether its US, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, China etc. These people are not coming back except for vacation. They in turn marry and have kids, all of whom are now citizens of their new countries. If everyone adds up all the people they know who have done this, we are looking at perhaps 1 million would-be S'poreans that are gone.
7) If the PAP immigration policy was so great, the PAP would not need to spend an inordinate amount of time promoting it. They would not have to include PRC bus drivers in their NDP rally speeches, they would not need Shit times to constantly highlight great FTs etc. If FTs really created jobs and did all those other fantastic things the PAP says, the local people would see and recognise this and would appreciate them without the PAP exhorting them to do so. This is far from the case.
In my opinion, real basis of the PAP immigration policy is 2 fold. One is vendetta, and the other is pure greed.
Old Goat has know for years that people were leaving S'pore. this was and still is taken as a personal insult by him. here he is telling the world leaders and everyone else who would listen that he performed an economic miracle in S'pore and sinkies are so much better off with him. yet on the other hand, sinkies are leaving for other countries in droves, and hence calling him a boldface liar, and repudiating his claims that S'pore is a great place to live. he tried to reverse this by first threatening and cajoling people and trying to bully them into not leaving. He and his minions used words like quitters, and weak, and what not to characterise sinkies that move away. When this tactic failed, he tried to placate them by offering to make it easy for them to retain ties with the motherland, and other carrots. But again, no one was buying this, because real reform involves him letting go of some control. In the end, he has now given up and since he cannot stem the outflow, he has decided to punish all sinkies by letting in massive numbers of FTs to make life hard for everyone. this is the vendetta aspect
The greed aspect is very simple. the S'pore economy is vastly majority controlled indirectly or directly by the govt. thru GLCs, stat boards, monopolies, etc. Rather than increase productivity and making more efficient use of the limited manpower (done thru capital investments in automation, robots, equipment), these companies went for short term gains by just going into cohoots with the MOM and importing massive amounts of cheap labour. The problem is the whole system is run on a for profit basis. GLCs and other govt. agencies compete directly with private companies in providing many goods and services for the same customers. These GLCs and govt. agencies have to show a profit to their owners, the govt. These same companies are feeding troughs for govt. favourites who know nothing about running a sucessful business. It is therefore in their interest to save wages by importing a FT who will do a job for $1500 and replace him with a sinkie who was doing it for $3000 before. It does not occur to them they can make the sinkie more productive if they provide him with a piece of machinery that can do the job of 2 or 3 people and train him in how to use it. It does notmake sense to them because this machinery costs money, and labour can be easily obtain thru their mafia with the MOM.
These are just my observations.
1) We need these many new immigrants because our population growth rate is so low - Well, who's fault is this? Who was ramming the stop at 2 policy down our throats in the 70's and 80's? Lawyers who don't know anything about population growth should stop acting like they did. Also, how does othe low population growth countries like Japan manage without importing millions of FTs? Rather than examine why the birth rate is so low, and doing something about it, they just blindly allow every tom dick and harry in.
2) These new immigrants are skilled and we need these people - So, what the PAP is saying is that dispite our much vaunted world classs education system, we still cannot produce skilled people to do these jobs? In fact, our people are so unskilled that an Indian, or Chinese with degrees from Universities that we have never heard off is better than our graduates? If the PAP says that we don't have enough of these skilled people, who's fault is it? For decades, there was only NUS. They needed many more tertiary instituitions decades ago, and not the new flood of unis.
3) We need to reach a population of 6-6.5 million - Why? For critical mass? Where is the studies to show that this is necessary? PAP is so good at doing surveys, studies, committees, well lets see some hard evidence. Where is the infrastructure to support these people? What is the impact on housing prices, diseases, social ills etc. that these extra people bring. HFMD epidemic outbreak in S'pore? Are u shitting me? In the 70s, 80s, where got HFMD? Did the PAP just pull this number out of their ass?
4) These people are rigourously screened before they come here - Really? Why are there gang fights between PRC gangs, robberies, rapes, molestation, assaults etc. on such a regular scale than? Can MOM and ICA say they did criminal background checks on all these million plus people they let in? Or did the agents just bribe someone at ICA to let them in? How can background checks be verified in countries such as India and china where u can buy anything with a bribe.
5) These new immigrants will contribute to and help S'pore - There has been absolutely no evidence of this so far. On the contrary, the opposite seems to be true. We see new waves of crimes, immigrants displacing locals from jobs, causing the rise in housing prices, etc. They also do no do NS hence contributing nothing to the security and defence of the country.
6) Our population growth rate is too low, revisited - I think the population replacement rate is actually low, but not any lower than many industrialised countries. Where it differs is that not only do locals have to give birth at a rate that replaces the dead, they also have to give birth to replace the people that have left singapore for other countries. Lets face it, everyone in singapore knows a few people who have moved overseas on a permanently basis whether its US, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, China etc. These people are not coming back except for vacation. They in turn marry and have kids, all of whom are now citizens of their new countries. If everyone adds up all the people they know who have done this, we are looking at perhaps 1 million would-be S'poreans that are gone.
7) If the PAP immigration policy was so great, the PAP would not need to spend an inordinate amount of time promoting it. They would not have to include PRC bus drivers in their NDP rally speeches, they would not need Shit times to constantly highlight great FTs etc. If FTs really created jobs and did all those other fantastic things the PAP says, the local people would see and recognise this and would appreciate them without the PAP exhorting them to do so. This is far from the case.
In my opinion, real basis of the PAP immigration policy is 2 fold. One is vendetta, and the other is pure greed.
Old Goat has know for years that people were leaving S'pore. this was and still is taken as a personal insult by him. here he is telling the world leaders and everyone else who would listen that he performed an economic miracle in S'pore and sinkies are so much better off with him. yet on the other hand, sinkies are leaving for other countries in droves, and hence calling him a boldface liar, and repudiating his claims that S'pore is a great place to live. he tried to reverse this by first threatening and cajoling people and trying to bully them into not leaving. He and his minions used words like quitters, and weak, and what not to characterise sinkies that move away. When this tactic failed, he tried to placate them by offering to make it easy for them to retain ties with the motherland, and other carrots. But again, no one was buying this, because real reform involves him letting go of some control. In the end, he has now given up and since he cannot stem the outflow, he has decided to punish all sinkies by letting in massive numbers of FTs to make life hard for everyone. this is the vendetta aspect
The greed aspect is very simple. the S'pore economy is vastly majority controlled indirectly or directly by the govt. thru GLCs, stat boards, monopolies, etc. Rather than increase productivity and making more efficient use of the limited manpower (done thru capital investments in automation, robots, equipment), these companies went for short term gains by just going into cohoots with the MOM and importing massive amounts of cheap labour. The problem is the whole system is run on a for profit basis. GLCs and other govt. agencies compete directly with private companies in providing many goods and services for the same customers. These GLCs and govt. agencies have to show a profit to their owners, the govt. These same companies are feeding troughs for govt. favourites who know nothing about running a sucessful business. It is therefore in their interest to save wages by importing a FT who will do a job for $1500 and replace him with a sinkie who was doing it for $3000 before. It does not occur to them they can make the sinkie more productive if they provide him with a piece of machinery that can do the job of 2 or 3 people and train him in how to use it. It does notmake sense to them because this machinery costs money, and labour can be easily obtain thru their mafia with the MOM.
These are just my observations.
