• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Ex-ISD Director: LTK 1 : Ass Loon 0

makapaaa

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Joined
Jul 24, 2008
Messages
33,627
Points
0
[h=2]A paper tiger or pugnacious Prime Minister?[/h]
dmca_protected_sml_120n.png
PostDateIcon.png
May 29th, 2014 |
PostAuthorIcon.png
Author: Contributions

PM-Lee-vs-WP-Low-300x225.jpg
PM Lee versus Low

In the Parliamentary encounter between PM Lee Hsien Loong and the Workers’ Party chief Low Thia Khiang, it was obvious that PM Lee was trying to use his more formidable prime minister position to overwhelm and in the process humiliate Mr. Low. But little did PM Lee realise that he had underestimated the pugnacity of Mr. Low who had been able to put up a sterling resistance to each and every one of his ineffectual attempt to put Mr. Low in a fluster.Every time PM Lee questioned Mr. Low about the so-called lapses of the WP on political issues such as the Population White Paper, he had expected Mr. Low to crumble and not be able to provide a rational defence of the WP’s stand on the issue. Credit must be given to Mr. Low for his quick and nimble retorts which must have baffled the conceited PM Lee of Mr. Low’s leadership quality as chief of the WP whose eloquence can easily match that of the Cambridge-trained PM Lee. It was obvious that as the debate progressed PM Lee found to his dismay that he could not outsmart the astute Mr. Low and he ended by alluding to WP in having to call a spade a spade, a clear indication of his frustration, especially his failure to corner Mr. Low to concede that WP had flip-flopped over the Population White Paer debate.

It was an intellectual tussle delightful to watch if it were not for the belligerent and intimidating style of the inexorable PM Lee in presenting his arguments which may give credence to Mr. Low’s assertion of a PAP bullying political culture. PM Lee could be imagining himself to be a ravaging tiger waiting to pounce on an unwary prey which to his utter horror turned out to be a ferocious lion. PM Lee could have adopted a more humorous and humane style which could have won him more sympathy from the audience. He claimed himself to be “flame-proof”.

Can the WP be faulted for its apparent perfunctory attitude towards the President’s address outlining the PAP programme? The answer probably lies in the perception of Singaporeans on the status of the present minority President. But the WP is not disrespectful to the President, his shortcoming notwithstanding.

As an independent political party with a considerable representation in Parliament, the WP is entitled to interpret its version of constructive politics and it is really up to the electorate to say whether it is credible and acceptable. So there is really no need for PM Lee to be so worked up to denigrate the WP for its position on this issue unless it is done purely to score a political point. It would be better for his public image if PM Lee curbs his impetuosity to fix the opposition, especially the so-called recalcitrant WP leaders, even if they are a threat to PAP’s ambitions in GE 2016.

.
Mr Yoong Siew Wah
Mr. Yoong Siew Wah was the Director of Singapore’s Internal Security Department (ISD) from 1971 to 1974. He was Director of the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) in the 1960s, and had a distinguished career in the Singapore Special Branch in the 1950s.
.
He blogs at http://singaporerecalcitrant.blogspot.sg
 
Agree with TS...PAP just a Big Big Bully...bullying politicians to ordinary citizens...
 


Well said!

-------------



The PAP’s karate chop versus the WP’s jiu-jitsu


One of my weekly staples in TV watching is to tune into SkyNews’ broadcast of Prime Minister’s Questions (PMQs) from the UK House of Commons, which is held on a Wednesday, and broadcast live at 7pm Singapore time. In PMQs the British prime minister takes questions on a whole range of issues from any number of parliamentarians, but the highlight is his jousting across the despatch box with the leader of the opposition.

PMQs makes for great television. Equally significant is the immediate post-mortem on PMQs by SkyNews’ deputy political editor, Joey Jones, who would give his views on who, between David Cameron and Ed Miliband, had the better of the exchanges, not just in terms of content but, crucially, style and presentation.

In politics, style and presentation is as important, if not more important, than content. This is especially so in our televisual age.

That brings me to the exchange in the Singapore Parliament yesterday (28 May 2014) between Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and the de facto leader of the opposition, Mr Low Thia Khiang, over the nature of “constructive politics”.

What was striking was that PM Lee came across as hot under the collar as he kept on trying to get an answer from the WP leader on his party’s stand on important issues. The PM was scowling, adopting a lecturing and hectoring tone. Whereas Mr Low was calm and composed; he kept on smiling as he re-emphasised his party’s stand of being reasonable and responsible in its opposition. The content of the PM’s remarks – in trying to get answers -- was perfectly fine, but his tone and body language was not.

So much about politics constitutes style and presentation. Coming across as angry when there is little reason to be angry – particularly when your interlocutor has not provoked you -- tends to go up like a lead balloon with the viewing public. Indeed, the irony was that even as Mr Low punctuated his responses with some compliments for the PM and his Government, the PM looked and sounded increasingly cheesed off.

One thing is clear: there is a consistency in the way the PAP engages in its politics, and, in fact, the same can be said for the WP under Mr Low. In that regard, I end by quoting from a speech I delivered eight years ago at the Institute of Policy Studies’ post-GE 2006 forum, held on 2 June 2006:

“If the style of some other politicians appear to favour the metaphorical karate chop in dealing with political opponents, Mr Low and his WP colleagues seem to favour another kind of martial art – that is, jiu-jitsu. The basic principle of jiu-jitsu is to attempt to use your opponent’s strength to defeat your opponent. A quiet and calm demeanour should not be misconstrued as weakness. In fact it is very much the reverse.”

Dr Derek da Cunha is author of the books: Breakthrough: Roadmap for Singapore’s Political Future (Singapore: Institute of Policy Studies, 2012), 288pp; Singapore Places its Bets: Casinos, Foreign Talent and Remaking a City-state (Singapore: Straits Times Press, 2010), 192pp; and, The Price of Victory: The 1997 Singapore General Election and Beyond (Singapore: Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, 1997), 150pp.

© Derek da Cunha
 
Agree with TS...PAP just a Big Big Bully...bullying politicians to ordinary citizens...

The biggest bullies are also the biggest cowards... we all have either witnessed or experienced this to be self-evident truth during our school days. ;)

PAP govt's testicles shrivel up whenever foreigners are involved.
 
The biggest bullies are also the biggest cowards... we all have either witnessed or experienced this to be self-evident truth during our school days. ;)

PAP govt's testicles shrivel up whenever foreigners are involved.

I would guess it is INSECURITY that triggers the Bullying Mechanism within us...
 
[video=youtube;0GVx_a1CLNY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GVx_a1CLNY[/video]

Look at Pinky's performance, he is really a big bully. He keep hounding LTK about a small matter like Yes and No answer,,,so he does not only do that to Roy,,,fucker is really a Faggot,,,thanks 60%
 
I think most locals will agree with YSW's assessment -of the son appearing as a bully and losing respect (and votes) as the outcome.
 
PM Lee speaks like a gentlemen. LTK on the other hand debate as if he is in a coffee shop.
 
This is why the PAP would prefer to have a Parliament consisting entirely of PAP MPs: no need to ask hard questions, no need to be asked hard questions, you flatter me, I flatter you, you stroke me, I stroke you. Everyone goes home happy and pockets their pay. Rinse and repeat. ;)
 
[video=youtube;0GVx_a1CLNY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GVx_a1CLNY[/video]....<<QUOTE]

the snigger at 12.50 is akin to what the ol'fart does in many of his interviews, showing disdain in trying to brush off and belittling someone.
kudos to ltk - from the days where he spoke and replied comfortably in mandarin, to speaking in english (although not queen's england but also not helicopter style) and most importantly, thrust and parry with an appropriate response and not getting flustered in the process.
 
PM Lee speaks like a gentlemen. LTK on the other hand debate as if he is in a coffee shop.
Substance beats form in a parliamentary argument. Those who wish to see good oratory skills should go watch university debates or divorce court cases where many of the participants throw morality out of the door: lots of drama too. IMHO, the following are the more urgent issues that Singapore needs to look into:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Constructive politics Stink@poor style: in practise, looks like the operations of a criminal syndicate to me though...

1) [2006GE]: Admit to change goal posts to fix the opposition:

2) [1991 onwards]: Fill up parliament with overpriced puppet MPs in supersized GRCs:
'Without some assurance of a good chance of winning at least their first election, many able and successful young Singaporeans may not risk their careers to join politics,' Mr Goh Chok Tong, June 2006 ['GRCs make it easier to find top talent: SM'].
Intoparliamentjpg.jpg
[Pict= [URL="http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2012/04/disassembling-grc-benefits-pap-1/"]Disassembling GRC system benefits PAP (Part 1 of 3)[/URL]]

3) Run roughshod over any opposition and
a) [2011]: say whatever nonsense U want to explain getting your hand stuck in cookie jar more often than once...
"If the annual salary of the Minister of Information, Communication and Arts is only $500,000, it may pose some problems when he discuss policies with media CEOs who earn millions of dollars because they need not listen to the minister's ideas and proposals. Hence, a reasonable payout will help to maintain a bit of dignity."
YqUYU.jpg
[IMG URL]

b) [1997]: When bending the law for partisan gain, best to instruct the Attorney General to be absent from work...
10390015_708862965841705_3579930549839911222_n.jpg
(Pict source)
 
Last edited:
PAP govt's testicles shrivel up whenever foreigners are involved.

it's great to be a foreigner in sg. there's a swagger and confidence that the pap gov will treat me well and with utmost respect when i'm not a sinkie. and i'm saying this from the very bottom of my butt. :p
 
Singapore's parliament format is a bloody joke. Derek talks about PMQs; Singapore under PAP does not have that. In the UK, Ministers can be hauled up by their own MPs or oppo MPs for urgent questions if they think the issue is important--eg flooding in the UK, terrorism, Afghanistan. PMQs happen weekly unless the UK House of Commons is in recess. the UK Parliamentary system also has fixed times when a Minister and his team must answer questions on policy--every month or so and all ministers are asked from Environment to Immigration. In Sinkie-PAP Parliament, Ministers do not have to answer nor is there a fixed format. In the UK system, Ministers must also answer written questions sent DAILY to their office--PAP system no such thing. In the UK System, there are only at least three ministers per department--Minister/SoS, Minister of State and Parliamentary Under Sec/Most Junior Ministrey. Only large/important Ministries have more Ministers and the PM's office has to report what its Minister without Portfolio do. PAP System--10xplus Ministers per department, mega salaries and no transparency.

Another glaring point: UK System--parliament runs almost all year round with set breaks and my be recalled in the event of a disaster--flooding, Thatcher death, terrorism etc. PAP Parliament wasn't even recalled during the floods or haze.
 
it was a massive failure of this parliament in the past decade that has led to the mess Spore is in today.
 
In the video could see Lawrence Wong putting on a smirking grin with Kee Chiu sitting besides him smiling sheepishly..

Both looked like boy faggots in awe watching Towkay Loh taking on their Pink Bapok Master..
 
Towkay Low was cool as a soursop throughout the debate.. Pink Bapok totally lost it when he made that unreasonable comment of describing the WP as Tigers and Heroes during Election rallies...

Then true to his wily and cunning tiger attacking instinct, Towkay Loh gave a gentle slap on the backside of the Pink Bapok with this witty rebuttal,

“I thank the PM for noting that we can fight an election, I’m sure the PAP can too. You are the Government, you have been the governing party for 50 years and you’ve got (much more) talented people than the WP. How can you say we are tiger and we are something else in Parliament? I’m sure the PAP equally can be tiger or lions.”


Pink Bapok was overwhelmed by the occasion.. Not every day he would be defeated by an Oppo MP in his famiLEE's owned Parleement..

Pink Bapok lost the debate against a Chinese educated Towkay Loh.. Pink Bapok then tried to bully Towkay Loh with his girlie tantrums and childish accusations.. 60% your Pink Bapok is really a wussy..
 
Back
Top