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Do anti depressents work?

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Sebastian Rushworth M.D.

Do anti-depressants work?​



Anti-depressant drugs are common. Very very common. According to the Centers for Disease Control in the United States, 13% of adults reported taking an anti-depressant when surveyed a few years ago. Among women over the age of 60, almost one in four was taking an anti-depressant!

When I work in the hospital, I frequently see elderly people who are on five, ten, fifteen, or even twenty drugs simultaneously. Invariably, one or more of these drugs is an anti-depressant. This absurd overuse of medications, an issue known as polypharmacy, is one of the biggest health problems facing elderly people today. Anti-depressants are one of the main drug classes contributing to polypharmacy.

With so many people taking anti-depressants, you would think that they must at the very least be effective. And safe. Why else would so many millions of people be taking them on a daily basis? Why else would doctors prescribe them so freely?

The most commonly prescribed type of anti-depressant is the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI). Examples of this type of drug include sertraline (a.k.a. zoloft), escitalopram (a.k.a. cipralex), and fluoxetine (a.k.a. prozac). SSRI’s increase serotonin signalling in the brain, which is hypothetically a good thing for people who are depressed. They are generally considered to have the best balance of efficacy and safety of any anti-depressant drug, which is why they are the first line therapy.

So, how effective are SSRI’s at treating depression?

A systematic review and meta-analysis was published in BMC Psychiatry in 2017 that sought to answer this question. The review was funded by the Danish government. It identified 131 randomized placebo-controlled trials investigating SSRI’s as a treatment for depression in adults, with a total of 27,422 participants, and meta-analyzed them (i.e. added all their results together to create one big “meta” trial – this gives a more reliable result than the individual trials can provide).
Before we get in to the results, we need to quickly discuss the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression (HDRS). The HDRS is the scale most commonly used to assess severity of depression in studies, and also to assess how the severity changes over time. It is a 52 point scale, so a score of 52 is as bad as it can get. A score below eight is considered normal (i.e. not depressed). 8 to 13 is considered to be “mild” depression. 14-18 is considered to be “moderate” depression. 19-22 is considered to be “severe” depression, and anything from 23 and up is considered to be “very severe” depression.

The authors of the review decided, before analyzing the data, that anything less than an average reduction of three points on the scale would be considered a negative result. Personally I think that this is a bit generous. I find it hard to believe that anyone would be able to notice a three point reduction on a 52 point scale. I would have set the threshold higher, at more like six points at the very least. One article published back in 2015 came to the conclusion that people are unable to detect anything less than a 7 point difference on the 52 point Hamilton scale. But as we shall soon see, setting the threshold higher wouldn’t have made a difference anyway. So, let’s get to the results.

Overall, SSRI’s resulted in a 1.94 point greater reduction on the 52 point HDRS scale than placebo. Even when only trials of people with very severe depression (a score of 23 or higher) were included, the improvement over placebo was still only 2.69 points.

So, SSRI’s were not able to get over even the generously low bar set by the reviewers. And let’s remember that most of the studies included in the analysis were industry funded, and industry funded studies usually show a bigger benefit than is seen in reality, so it is likely that the real effect is even smaller than was found in the systematic review.

In other words, SSRI’s are not effective as anti-depressants. Considering that they are currently the first line drug therapy for depression, that would seem to be quite a big problem. And before you suggest that we should use non-SSRI anti-depressants instead, like for example tricyclics, I would note that these have not been shown to be markedly more effective than SSRI’s in head-to-head comparisons. Otherwise we’d be using them as the first line therapy, not SSRI’s.
What about safety? Did SSRI’s cause any serious adverse events?

2.7% of participants in the SSRI arm developed a serious adverse event, as compared with 2.1% in the placebo arm. That is a 0.6% absolute difference, which would mean that roughly one in 170 people treated with an SSRI will suffer a serious adverse event as a result of the treatment. Note that the definition of a serious adverse event is an event that causes death, significant risk of death, disability, and/or hospitalization. In other words, “serious” is serious. So even a small increase in serious adverse events is something that needs to be taken quite, well, seriously.

Medical treatments should ideally result in a decrease in serious adverse events. They certainly should not cause an increase. A truly effective anti-depressant would not just make people feel better, it would also make them less likely to try to commit suicide, which would result in an overall reduction in serious adverse events. No such signal was seen here. Even if you look just at suicide attempts, rather than at adverse events overall, there was no signal that SSRI’s decrease their frequency.
Note that the trials in the review were generally of healthy people under 65 years of age. Frail elderly people treated with SSRI’s will likely experience serious adverse events at a much higher rate than that found here.

Speaking of frail elderly people, in particular those living in nursing homes, I want to take the opportunity to point out that they are frequently the heaviest users of anti-depressants. So you would think that there would be a lot of research showing that anti-depressants are useful to give to the frail elderly… Well, having seen that the evidence doesn’t support using anti-depressants in younger people, you might be a bit skeptical by now. A systematic review was published in the Journal of the American Medical Directors Association in 2012, that sought to determine how beneficial anti-depressants are when used as a treatment for depression in people over the age of 65 who are living in nursing homes. The review was funded by the US government.

Two(!) randomized controlled trials were identified that compared anti-depressants with placebo in nursing home residents, with a total of 55(!) participants. It’s pretty shocking that the evidence base is so small, when you consider that nursing home residents are such heavy user of anti-depressants. Basically, when we (doctors) use these drugs on elderly nursing home residents, we have pretty much zero idea what we’re doing, because there is so little evidence.

Neither of the two trials found any benefit to treating nursing home residents with anti-depressants (although to be fair, they were so small that I wouldn’t have expected them to find anything – they were statistically underpowered). The number of participants was far too small to gain any kind of estimate of the prevalence of serious adverse events, although I think it’s fair to assume, as mentioned above, that it would be much higher in this group than in the younger healthier group included in the studies in the previous review.

I’m mainly bringing this tiny systematic review up to illustrate how atrociously small the knowledge base often is when it comes to the effects of drugs on the frail elderly.

What conclusions can we draw these systematic reviews?

Anti-depressant drugs are ineffective against depression. The harms of these drugs clearly outweigh the practically non-existent benefits. That is true for everyone, but especially so for the frail elderly who are at much higher risk of side effects than the general population. In light of this information, which has now been in the public domain for at least a few years, you would expect large campaigns to get doctors to stop prescribing these drugs. Funnily enough, that hasn’t happened yet.

 

laksaboy

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It depends. I heard from a bipolar siao charbor that she was prescribed lithium pills, the doctor will decide on the dosage.
 

orh mee suah

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Back to topic.
I believe SNRIs are effective. The anti-depressant sets out to work immediately. The patient can feel it in his/her body. It helps to calm down and reduce anxiety but still need sedatives to help with sleep.
Usually takes about 3 weeks to feel much better, meaning can sleep without sedatives and appetite returns. Considers fast acting. Some anti-depressants takes 6 weeks for the patient to feel better.
Not cheap. Usually on maintenance dose for up to one year before gradually taper down. Some patients who can afford the costs takes maintenance doses indefinitely. to prevent a relapse.
These are feedback from some friends and relatives. Not from professionals.
 

theblackhole

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Back to topic.
I believe SNRIs are effective. The anti-depressant sets out to work immediately. The patient can feel it in his/her body. It helps to calm down and reduce anxiety but still need sedatives to help with sleep.
Usually takes about 3 weeks to feel much better, meaning can sleep without sedatives and appetite returns. Considers fast acting. Some anti-depressants takes 6 weeks for the patient to feel better.
Not cheap. Usually on maintenance dose for up to one year before gradually taper down. Some patients who can afford the costs takes maintenance doses indefinitely. to prevent a relapse.
These are feedback from some friends and relatives. Not from professionals.
some will definitely feel better
the recalcitrant ones are more difficult to handle
those with deep seated psychological triggers and trama
that keep lingering and keep tormenting the depressed
the doctors then have to keep on changing medications
and keep on giving new twists and new names to the depression condition
all sorts of border line personality disorders , anxiety lah , schizo lah , suicidal lah ...etc etc
in the end after many months and some many years , the illness runs itself to an end
some favourable and some not so favourable
pray hard for these sufferers ....life is one painful suffering
pray hard for their recovery ....
 

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anti-depressants

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SalahParking

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xanax works fast.

others have to take for a long time and not miss a dose. These are addictive. if stop suddenly, you can suffer withdrawals worse than the original feeling before starting.

some can drive you crazy and sucidedal, and you feel like jumping off a building or standing infront of a bus.
 

orh mee suah

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some will definitely feel better
the recalcitrant ones are more difficult to handle
those with deep seated psychological triggers and trama
that keep lingering and keep tormenting the depressed
the doctors then have to keep on changing medications
and keep on giving new twists and new names to the depression condition
all sorts of border line personality disorders , anxiety lah , schizo lah , suicidal lah ...etc etc
in the end after many months and some many years , the illness runs itself to an end
some favourable and some not so favourable
pray hard for these sufferers ....life is one painful suffering
pray hard for their recovery ....
Prayers, especially congregational prayers help but one must not give medical treatment a miss. A smoker who is religious is less likely to suffer serious illness and is more likely to quit successfully if he tries.
A relapse is possible though.
 

theblackhole

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Prayers, especially congregational prayers help but one must not give medical treatment a miss. A smoker who is religious is less likely to suffer serious illness and is more likely to quit successfully if he tries.
A relapse is possible though.

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