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Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on officer's

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Monday, Nov 11, 2013

SINGAPORE - The Singapore Army has identified and disciplined the soldier who celebrated his ORD by urinating on his officer's bed, as well as the soldier who filmed the act.

The disciplinary action comes after a Stomp contributor came across the NSF Sergeant's video online, showing him peeing on his officer's bed.

According to an official statement on The Singapore Army's Facebook page, the NSF Sergeant was court martialled with a punishment of detention and demotion.

Here is the statement in full:

"On 7 September, a post titled "NSF Sergeant celebrates his ORD - by urinating on his officer's bed" was uploaded onto the website STOMP. The post showed a screen capture image of a soldier urinating on a bed in a SAF camp.

"The Singapore Army takes a serious view on the conduct and discipline of our soldiers. The soldier who has committed the act, and the soldier who had filmed the act have both been identified and disciplined under military law. The former was court martialled with a punishment of detention and demotion. While the latter was punished for aiding in the offence."

Many comments posted in response to the official statement supported the action taken against the two.

For example, Syed Sabbir Ahmed commented that, "One cannot show disrespect to their officers. This isn't a good act done by those two soldiers," while Lawrence Lim wrote, "Totally unacceptable, no reasons can be sufficient to justify such an act of disrespect. Shame."

Pang Zhiwei added, "Well-deserved punishment. There is no room for such irresponsible and childish acts.

In addition to multiple comments criticising the two soldiers was an interesting one written by John Chan Yi Wen:

"The SAF 8th core value: Do things but don't get caught. These 2 soldiers actually indirectly surrendered themselves.. Well done... "

Paolo Poey had this piece of advice to share: "Remember the 10 rules. Don't do anything that will make you regret 10 secs later, 10 hours later, 10 days later, 10 weeks later, 10 months later, 10 years later."
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

Those who supported MINDEF have no clue why the NSF has such deep hatred towards the officer. How many SAF officers are truly leaders? Not many.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

I believe that most of the SAF officers whom I have known and/or interacted with, are leaders.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

It does not matter what is their reason(s), hatred, or the circumstances leading to such an uncivil act, any organization where discipline is important, has to take the necessary steps to deal with it.
 
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Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

I believe that most of the SAF officers whom I have known and/or interacted with, are leaders.

And I can tell you for certain that many of those officers you admired will be shot by friendly fire during war.
 
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It does not matter what is their reason(s), hatred, or the circumstances leading to such an uncivil act, any organization where discipline is important, has to take the necessary steps to deal with it.

The officer should be investigated. Why was there such deep hatred for him?

Officers lead by examples. This officer must have failed miserably. There are so many sadistic officers in the military.

Let's stop pretending that our military is of any worthiness. We have a conscripted military. And many of the conscripts don't want to be in. Thrust us in a war and you can see how many of them will shoot their officers first.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

And I can tell you for certain that many of those officers you admired will be shot by friendly fire during war.

I did not indicate that I admired all or many of the officers.

You are entitled to your opinion, but not all of us can be as confident as you regarding our SAF men shooting their officers in combat.
However, if you are an individual who has considered such a step or is inclined to do, perhaps, your conscience may make you re-consider.

I pray and hope that the SAF considers giving you an out right release, and not call you for reservist or similar duties.

Good health and good luck.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

The officer should be investigated. Why was there such deep hatred for him?

Officers lead by examples. This officer must have failed miserably. There are so many sadistic officers in the military.

Let's stop pretending that our military is of any worthiness. We have a conscripted military. And many of the conscripts don't want to be in. Thrust us in a war and you can see how many of them will shoot their officers first.

May be but may be not.

When I was enlisted for NS in the mid-1970's, my attitude then (and it has not changed) is that since I have no alternative, I will try to learn and make the most out of my 2.5 years in the SAF.

If you were or are that unhappy with NS, you have the option to leave Singapore.
 
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The officer should be investigated. Why was there such deep hatred for him?

Because the officer takes NS seriously and doesn't allow his men to muck around.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

Because the officer takes NS seriously and doesn't allow his men to muck around.

his men already muck around on his bed you twit
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

When did 2.5 years for ns start:confused: Mid 70s?

May be but may be not.

When I was enlisted for NS in the mid-1970's, my attitude then (and it has not changed) is that since I have no alternative, I will try to learn and make the most out of my 2.5 years in the SAF.

If you were or are that unhappy with NS, you have the option to leave Singapore.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

When did 2.5 years for ns start:confused: Mid 70s?

It may not be correct, but based on my memory, in the early years, commissioned officers have to serve 3 years.
Then, perhaps, not to waste the time of those who completed Pre-U, but had to serve NS, the govt. reduced it to 2.5 years, in order to allow them to enrol in university in early July.
For example, if an individual completed his Pre-U in Nov 1975, he would have joined the SAF in Dec 1976, complete his NS by end of June 1978, and then enrol in a local university in early July 1978 (in those days).
Based on the above example, the scholars disrupt in Feb 1976 to enrol in universities in Australia, or in Aug 1976 to enrol in universities in the UK.
Those who are attending med school at SU (as it then was), disrupt in June 1976.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

even if you disagree with my posts for this discussion thread, there is no need to reduce my points.
if you reduce my points, please tell me who you are and the reason for it.
Thank you.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

Because the officer takes NS seriously and doesn't allow his men to muck around.

Officers keng more than the other NSF ...that's a known fact.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

May be but may be not.

When I was enlisted for NS in the mid-1970's, my attitude then (and it has not changed) is that since I have no alternative, I will try to learn and make the most out of my 2.5 years in the SAF.

If you were or are that unhappy with NS, you have the option to leave Singapore.

I look forward to the opportunity to be witness friendly fire on the officers. Let there be wars soon.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

Shooting officers in times of war is dumb. Balistic tests will produce evidence against the culprits. American GIs developed fragging during the Vietnam war to eliminate this problem.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

Forget about shooting... just don't turn up in a war. :cool:

Singapore isn't really worth risking life and limb to defend. Total Defence can kiss my ass.

And getting demoted is actually a wonderful thing for the guy. Better to be a corporal than a sergeant. ;)
 
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I look forward to the opportunity to be witness friendly fire on the officers. Let there be wars soon.

Unfortunately, I believe that is very unproductive and undesirable.
I hope that war does not happen, but if it does, it will be when you are no longer liable for NSF or reservist obligations.
Perhaps, and I am merely speculating, that during your NS period, there was an unhappy or unfortunate incident(s) which caused you to harbour such resentment.
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

Forget about shooting... just don't turn up in a war. :cool:

Singapore isn't really worth risking life and limb to defend. Total Defence can kiss my ass.

And getting demoted is actually a wonderful thing for the guy. Better to be a corporal than a sergeant. ;)

Cannot run away!

Those are our allies and saviours removing the worse enemies of Singaporeans

I happily join them for the pleasure of hooting those PAP maggots cockroaches and their fucking paper generals and kangaroos
 
Re: Detention and demotion for NSF Sergeant who celebrated ORD by urinating on office

When did 2.5 years for ns start Mid 70s?

It may not be correct, but based on my memory, in the early years, commissioned officers have to serve 3 years.
Then, perhaps, not to waste the time of those who completed Pre-U, but had to serve NS, the govt. reduced it to 2.5 years, in order to allow them to enrol in university in early July.
l completed his Pre-U in Nov 1975, he would have joined the SAF in Dec 1976, complete his NS by end of June 1978, and then enrol in a local university in early July 1978 (in those days).
Based on the above example, the scholars disrupt in Feb 1976 to enrol in universities in Australia, or in Aug 1976 to enrol in universities in the UK.
Those who are attending med school at SU (as it then was), disrupt in June 1976.

in the mid 70's, nsf chaps who passed out from SISL and OCT school served 2.5 years, not sure when they commenced 2 year fulltime though.
 
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