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Basic physics: why we can recieve radio signal inside a close room?

the answer to this question is also the answer why whatever tons of shit you quote from the net is rubbish.

seeing your ignorance and strong belief in all these nonsensical rubbish is exact the reason why there is a need to introduce science early in school.
 
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Basic physics: why we can recieve radio signal inside a close room?

the answer to this question is also the answer why whatever tons of shit you quote from the net is rubbish.

seeing your ignorance and strong belief in all these nonsensical rubbish is exact the reason why there is a need to introduce science early in school.




http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-02/disconnected



The Man Who Was Allergic to Radio Waves

Your cellphone does not in itself cause cancer. But in the daily sea of radiation we all travel, there may be subtler dangers at work, and science is only just beginning to understand how they can come to affect people like Per Segerbäck so intensely
By James Geary Posted 03.04.2010 at 11:39 am 83 Comments

Per Segerbäck’s Nearly Electricity-Free Home The photographer shot on film, using daylight, to avoid setting off Segerbäck’s hypersensitivity. Jonathan Worth

Per Segerbäck lives in a modest cottage in a nature reserve some 75 miles northeast of Stockholm. Wolves, moose and brown bears roam freely past his front door. He keeps limited human company, because human technology makes him physically ill. How ill? On a walk last summer, he ran into one of his few neighbors, a man who lives in a cottage about 100 yards away. During their chat, the man's cellphone rang, and Segerbäck, 54, was overcome by nausea. Within seconds, he was unconscious.

Segerbäck suffers from electro-hypersensitivity (EHS), which means he has severe physical reactions to the electromagnetic radiation produced by common consumer technologies, such as computers, televisions and cellphones. Symptoms range from burning or tingling sensations on the skin to dizziness, nausea, headaches, sleep disturbance and memory loss. In extreme cases like Segerbäck's, breathing problems, heart palpitations and loss of consciousness can result.

A cellphone has to be in use -- either making or receiving a call, or searching for a signal, when radiation levels are highest -- for it to have this kind of effect on Segerbäck. Phones that are on but neither sending nor receiving usually don't produce enough radiation to be noticeable. But it's not the sound of the phone that sets him off. Once, while on a sailboat with friends, he recalls, he was on the front deck when, unknown to him, someone made a call belowdecks. Headache, nausea, unconsciousness. When Segerbäck is within range of an active cellphone (safe distances vary because different makes and models produce different radiation levels), he experiences the feeling that there is "not enough room in my skull for my brain."

Sweden is the only country in the world to recognize EHS as a functional impairment, and Segerbäck's experience has been important in creating policy to address the condition. Swedish EHS sufferers -- about 3 percent of the population, or some 250,000 people, according to government statistics -- are entitled to similar rights and social services as those given to people who are blind or deaf. Today, local governments will pay to have the home of someone diagnosed with EHS electronically "sanitized," if necessary, through the installation of metal shielding.
SEA OF RADIATION

Electromagnetic fields (EMFs) are inescapable. We are constantly exposed to them, mostly in the form of either extremely low-frequency (ELF) radiation from things like domestic appliances and power lines or radio-frequency (RF) radiation from things like cellular and cordless phones, telecom antennas, and TV and radio transmission towers. Our bodies even produce faint EMFs of their own, from the electrical activity in the brain and heart.

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Ionizing radiation -- the kind produced by x-rays, CT scans and nuclear bombs -- can do terrible damage to the body. It is classified as a carcinogen. But ELF and RF are types of non-ionizing radiation, which is thought to be nearly harmless. Non-ionizing radiation isn't powerful enough to break molecular bonds, so it cannot directly cause the cellular damage that leads to disease. This type of radiation is everywhere. "We are bathed in a sea of non-ionizing radiation," says John Boice, a professor of medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine and scientific director of the International Epidemiology Institute, a biomedical research firm in Rockville, Maryland.

This sea, most scientists agree, is harmless. Cellphones are safe and conditions like EHS cannot exist, they argue, because the EMFs involved are too weak to have any health effect. The non-ionizing radiation from cellphones has almost no known influence on the human body. In fact, the only universally recognized effect of non-ionizing radiation is a very minor heating of nearby tissue. The Federal Communications Commission sets EMF limits for cellphones -- measured as "specific absorption rates" (SARs) -- below which significant heating does not occur. Segerbäck's symptoms and those of other EHS sufferers, according to many researchers, may be either misdiagnosed or imaginary. Some experts suggest that people like Segerbäck perhaps suffer from a psychological disorder, or that their cases may illustrate the "nocebo" effect, in which the expectation that something will make you sick actually does make you sick. A review published last year in the journal Bioelectromagnetics found no evidence that hypersensitive individuals had an improved ability to detect EMFs, and the study found evidence of the nocebo effect in those same people.

The cellphone industry's position on the subject is clear. "The peer-reviewed scientific evidence has overwhelmingly indicated that wireless devices do not pose a public-health risk," says John Walls, vice president of public affairs at CTIA -- The Wireless Association, the international industry body. "In addition, there is no known mechanism for [EMFs] within the limits established by the FCC to cause any adverse health effects." A host of major institutions -- including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP), the American Cancer Society and the World Health Organization -- agree with this assessment. (Although the ICNIRP says scientific assessment of the health aspects of wireless devices should continue as the technology becomes more widespread.)

Boice points out that data from cancer registries, such as the National Cancer Institute's SEER program, shows that brain-cancer rates haven't gone up since the early 1990s. The trends are also relatively flat from the mid-1970s to the early 2000s in Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden, where cellphones have been in use longer than in the U.S. If cellphones were causing brain cancer, an obvious uptick in reported cases would be expected. "If you look at the totality of biological and experimental studies," Boice says, "the vast amount of evidence is that there is no association between cellphones and malignancies."
Signal Strength: Cellphones are one of a number of household items that give off electromagnetic radiation Davvi.com

Your cellphone gives off radiation largely through the antenna when you make and receive calls and when it searches for a signal.
Cellphones operate in the radio-frequency range of the spectrum, along with radar and FM radio broadcasts.
Daily life exposes us to radiation from many sources, and electromagnetic fields vary [the circled number is the median field strength]. The combined effect is difficult to determine.

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Electromagnetic radiation and health
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Electromagnetic radiation can be classified into two types: ionizing radiation and non-ionizing radiation, based on its capability of ionizing atoms and breaking chemical bonds. Ultraviolet and higher frequencies, such as X-rays or gamma rays are ionizing, and these pose their own special hazards: see radiation and radiation poisoning. Non-ionizing radiation, discussed here, is associated with electrical and biological hazards.
Contents

1 Types of hazards
1.1 Electrical hazards
1.2 Fire hazards
1.3 Biological hazards
2 Positions of governments and scientific bodies
2.1 World Health Organization
2.2 Health Canada
2.3 U.S. military definition
3 Electric power transmission
3.1 Mitigation
3.2 Leukemia and cancer
3.2.1 Suggesting no significant link
3.2.2 Suggesting a significant link
3.2.3 Other findings
3.2.4 UK SAGE report
4 Mobile telephones
5 See also
6 References
7 External links

Types of hazards
Electrical hazards

Strong radiation can induce current capable of delivering an electric shock to persons or animals. It can also overload and destroy electrical equipment. The induction of currents by oscillating magnetic fields is also the way in which solar storms disrupt the operation of electrical and electronic systems, causing damage to and even the explosion of power distribution transformers,[1] blackouts (as in 1989), and interference with electromagnetic signals (e.g. radio, TV, and telephone signals).[2]
Fire hazards

Extremely high power electromagnetic radiation can cause electric currents strong enough to create sparks (electrical arcs) when an induced voltage exceeds the breakdown voltage of the surrounding medium (e.g. air). These sparks can then ignite flammable materials or gases, possibly leading to an explosion.

This can be a particular hazard in the vicinity of explosives or pyrotechnics, since an electrical overload might ignite them. This risk is commonly referred to as HERO (Hazards of Electromagnetic Radiation to Ordnance). MIL-STD-464A mandates assessment of HERO in a system, but Navy document OD 30393 provides design principles and practices for controlling electromagnetic hazards to ordnance.

On the other hand, the risk related to fueling is known as HERF (Hazards of Electromagnetic Radiation to Fuel). NAVSEA OP 3565 Vol. 1 could be used to evaluate HERF, which states a maximum power density of 0.09 W/m² for frequencies under 225 MHz (i.e. 4.2 meters for a 40 W emitter).
Biological hazards

The best understood biological effect of electromagnetic fields is to cause dielectric heating. For example, touching or standing around an antenna while a high-power transmitter is in operation can cause severe burns. These are exactly the kind of burns that would be caused inside a microwave oven.

This heating effect varies with the power and the frequency of the electromagnetic energy. A measure of the heating effect is the specific absorption rate or SAR, which has units of watts per kilogram (W/kg). The IEEE[3] and many national governments have established safety limits for exposure to various frequencies of electromagnetic energy based on SAR, mainly based on ICNIRP Guidelines,[4] which guard against thermal damage.

There are publications which support the existence of complex biological effects of weaker non-thermal electromagnetic fields (see Bioelectromagnetics), including weak ELF magnetic fields[5][6] and modulated RF and microwave fields.[7] Fundamental mechanisms of the interaction between biological material and electromagnetic fields at non-thermal levels are not fully understood.[8]

A 2009 study at the University of Basel in Switzerland found that intermittent (but not continuous) exposure of human cells to a 50 Hz electromagnetic field at a flux density of 1 mT (or 10 G) induced a slight but significant increase of DNA fragmentation in the Comet assay.[9] However that level of exposure is already above current established safety exposure limits.
Positions of governments and scientific bodies
World Health Organization

In May 2011, the WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer published a review of the evidence on health risks of EMF, and concluded that there was limited evidence that cellphone users might be at increased risk of glioma and acoustic neuroma, and that there was inadequate evidence of any other health risks posed by EMF.[10][11] This "possibly carcinogenic" classification was often misinterpreted, meaning only "that there is very little scientific evidence as to the carcinogenicity of cell phone use".[12]
Health Canada

"There is no conclusive evidence of any harm caused by exposures [to electric and magnetic fields] at levels found in Canadian homes and schools, including those located just outside the boundaries of power line corridors."[13]
U.S. military definition

In Federal Standard 1037C, the United States government adopts the following definition:

Electromagnetic radiation hazards (RADHAZ or EMR hazards): Hazards caused by a transmitter/antenna installation that generates electromagnetic radiation in the vicinity of ordnance, personnel, or fueling operations in excess of established safe levels or increases the existing levels to a hazardous level; or a personnel, fueling, or ordnance installation located in an area that is illuminated by electromagnetic radiation at a level that is hazardous to the planned operations or occupancy. These hazards will exist when an electromagnetic field of sufficient intensity is generated to: (a) induce or otherwise couple currents or voltages large enough to initiate electroexplosive devices or other sensitive explosive components of weapon systems, ordnance, or explosive devices; (b) cause harmful or injurious effects to humans and wildlife; (c) create sparks having sufficient magnitude to ignite flammable mixtures of materials that must be handled in the affected area. —Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms

Electric power transmission

The preponderance of evidence suggests that the low-power, low-frequency, electromagnetic radiation associated with household current does not constitute a short or long term health hazard, and whilst some biophysical mechanisms for the promotion of cancer have been proposed (such as the electric fields around power lines attracting aerosol pollutants[14][15]), none have been substantiated. [16][17][18][19][20][21] Nevertheless, some research has reported correlation with a number of adverse health effects, although controversy can include whether observed correlation implies causation. These include, but are not limited to, childhood leukemia,[16] adult leukemia,[22] neurodegenerative diseases (such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis),[23][24][25] miscarriage,[26][27][28] and clinical depression.[citation needed]
Mitigation

One response to the potential dangers of overhead power lines is to place them underground. The earth and enclosures surrounding underground cables prevent the electric field from radiating significantly beyond the power lines, and greatly reduce the magnetic field strength radiating from the power lines, into the surrounding area.[29] However, the cost of burying and maintaining cables at transmission voltages is several times greater than overhead power lines.[30]
Leukemia and cancer
Suggesting no significant link

In 1997 the National Cancer Institute (NCI) released a report published in the New England Journal of Medicine, the result of a seven-year epidemiological investigation. The study investigated 638 children with acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL) and 620 controls and concluded that their study provided "little evidence that living in homes characterized by high measured time-weighted average magnetic-field levels or by the highest wire-code category increases the risk of ALL in children."[31] Following the report, the US Department of Energy disbanded the EMF Research and Public Information Dissemination (RAPID) Program, saying that its services were no longer needed.[32]

In 2005, the Canadian Federal-Provincial-Territorial Radiation Protection Committee said, "The outcome of a recently conducted pooled analysis of several epidemiological studies shows a two-fold increase in the risk of leukemia in children living in homes, where the average magnetic field levels are greater than 0.4 microtesla (4 milligauss). [However,] it is the opinion of [this committee] that the epidemiological evidence to date is not strong enough to justify a conclusion that EMFs in Canadian homes, regardless of locations from power lines, cause leukemia in children."[33]

The World Health Organization issued a fact sheet, No. 322, in June, 2007 based on the findings of a WHO work group (2007), the IARC (2002) and the ICNIRP (2003), which reviewed research conducted since the earlier publication. The fact sheet says "that there are no substantive health issues related to ELF electric fields at levels generally encountered by members of the public." For ELF magnetic fields, the fact sheet says, "the evidence related to childhood leukaemia is not strong enough to be considered causal", and "[as regards] other childhood cancers, cancers in adults, ... The WHO Task Group concluded that scientific evidence supporting an association between ELF magnetic field exposure and all of these health effects is much weaker than for childhood leukaemia. In some instances (i.e., for ... breast cancer) the evidence suggests that these fields do not cause them."[16]

According to Dr. Lakshmikumar at the National Physical Laboratory, India, a direct, causal, link between RF radiation and cancer (including leukemia) would require one to be "willing to discard Planck's Law… and the entire body of quantum physics." [34]

In 2010, Maslanyj et al., applying the Bradford-Hill criteria to available evidence, considered the application of low-cost exposure reduction measures as appropriate precautionary responses to "small and uncertain public health risks". Even after pooling all the data, they found it fell short of establishing "strength of association, dose-response relationship, biological plausibility and coherence, and analogy". They recognised that controversy would continue so long as other interpretations of the data were possible.[35]
Suggesting a significant link

In 2001, Ahlbom et al. conducted a review into EMFs and Health, and found that there was a doubling in childhood leukemia for magnetic fields of over 0.4 µT, but said that that it "... may be partly due to bias. This is difficult to interpret in the absence of a known mechanism or reproducible experimental support."[36]

In 2002 a study by Michelozzi et al. found a relationship between leukemia and proximity to the Vatican Radio station transmitters although "the study has limitations because of the small number of cases and the lack of exposure data."[37]

In 2005 Draper et al. found a 70% increase in childhood leukemia for those living within 200 metres (656 ft) of an overhead transmission line, and a 23% increase for those living between 200 and 600 metres (656 and 1,969 ft). The authors concluded that "the relation may be due to chance or confounding." The authors considered it unlikely that the increase from 200 m to 600 m is related to magnetic fields as they are well below 0.4 µT at this distance.[38] Bristol University (UK) has published work on a theory that could account for this increase, and would also provide a potential mechanism, being that the electric fields around power lines attract aerosol pollutants.[15]
Other findings

The World Health Organisation issued Factsheet No. 263 in October 2001 on ELF (Extremely low frequency) EMFs and cancer. It said that they were "possibly carcinogenic", based primarily on IARC's similar evaluation with respect to childhood leukemia. It also said that there was "insufficient" data to draw any conclusions on other cancers.[39] The WHO later noted that result had been based on evidence which was "weakened by methodological problems" and that "on balance, the evidence related to childhood leukaemia is not strong enough to be considered causal."[16]

In 2007, the UK Health Protection Agency produced a paper showing that 43% of homes with magnetic fields of over 0.4 µT are associated with overground or underground circuits of 132 kV and above.[40]
UK SAGE report

The UK Department of Health set up the Stakeholder Advisory Group on ELF EMFs (SAGE) to explore the implications and to make recommendations for a precautionary approach to power frequency electric and magnetic fields in light of any evidence of a link between EMF and childhood leukemia. The first interim assessment of this group was released in April 2007 [1], and found that the link between proximity to power lines and childhood leukemia was sufficient to warrant a precautionary recommendation, including an option to lay new power lines underground where possible and to prevent the building of new residential buildings within 60 m (197 ft) of existing power lines. The latter of these options was not an official recommendation to government as the cost-benefit analysis based on the increased risk for childhood leukemia alone was considered insufficient to warrant it. The option was considered necessary for inclusion as, if found to be real, the weaker association with other health effects would make it worth implementing.[41]
Mobile telephones
Main article: Mobile phone radiation and health

Mobile phone radiation and health concerns have been raised, especially following the enormous increase in the use of wireless mobile telephony throughout the world (as of August 2005, there were more than 2 billion users worldwide). Mobile phones use electromagnetic radiation in the microwave range, and some[42][unreliable medical source?] believe this may be harmful to human health.[43] These concerns have induced a large body of research (both epidemiological and experimental, in non-human animals as well as in humans).[44][45] Concerns about effects on health have also been raised regarding other digital wireless systems, such as data communication networks.

The World Health Organization, based upon the consensus view of the scientific and medical communities, states that health effects (e.g. headaches or promotion of cancer) are unlikely to be caused by cellular phones or their base stations,[46][47] and expects to make recommendations about mobile phones in the third quarter of 2010 at the earliest, or the first quarter of 2011 at the latest[48][dated info].
 

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typing so much yet you still do not get the hint. what you post on the last post is already a known fact for prolong exposure which has nothing to do with what i asked. knowing the answer to that provide the reason why i said what you post earlier is rubbish

forget it. i met enough of idiots in this forum like conquerer and psalm23. should not be surprise to see another one
 
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typing so much yet you still do not get the hint

forget it.


You don't get it do you.

I'm responding for the benefit of others. Even if you don't agree with the information I've provided there are others looking for answers.
I doubt you would trust believe anything I have to say. So I have simply posted articles that debunk your arguments.
 

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You don't get it do you.

I'm responding for the benefit of others. Even if you don't agree with the information I've provided there are others looking for answers.
I doubt you would trust believe anything I have to say. So I have simply posted articles that debunk your arguments.

you don't understand basic physics do you?

why we could received clear radiowave signal inside a enclosed room? the answer to this directly prove why whatever shit you have posted earlier on is nonsensical.
 

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the discussions can go on non stop
pros and cons
truths and falsehoods
lenghty articles and posts
deep research has been done
cancer genes, trigger genes, stopper genes
whatever cancer markers provocaetuers
you got it say good bye
you have the truth good luck
you dont have the truth
live with cancer and say good bye
no need to argue until sunset
sunrise midsun evening sun
the sun will still be there.....good luck
 

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why fight and quarrel over cancer beliefs and cures
all these make chalartans and oncologists filthy rich and wealthy
there are so many variable factors that will influence the course of a cancer cell
the most important is still yourself
if you can find something that will protect you and shield you from cancer growth
you will be the billionaire of the universe
we are all scared of cancer
but we have cancer cells proliferating in our bodies every second and every moment
why are we so afraid
why are we spending so many painful hours,days and years thinking about it
why waste all these precious time worrying about it
if cancer comes, welcome it with open arms, embrace it, kiss it...and say good-bye to
this cancer-stricken world....so ....enjoy when you are well and healthy....
dont run around like rabid dogs of alien chens and his clones....
their bites are nothing compared to the ferocious cancer armies that will swarm your bodies...
so be happy ...holy sunday.....
 

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the discussions can go on non stop
pros and cons
truths and falsehoods
lenghty articles and posts
deep research has been done
cancer genes, trigger genes, stopper genes
whatever cancer markers provocaetuers
you got it say good bye
you have the truth good luck
you dont have the truth
live with cancer and say good bye
no need to argue until sunset
sunrise midsun evening sun
the sun will still be there.....good luck


For many laypeople they just want to know what to do. The trouble is that the treatment of cancer is very lucrative & doctors can make $$$$$$ by prolonging treatments. You have alot of people with vested interests to keep quiet on effective treatments. Many suspect that big pharma with the assistance of the medical community has been actively suppressing information on cures for this problem.

You also have so called experts who cannot believe that there are many alternative treatments out there. However if you have cancer you have to actively update yourself because there is plenty of new research available. For years many people believed that that Soy fed the cancer cancer cells. It's now commonly accepted that non-genetically modified soy does not feed cancer cells.
 

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johnny 333 you are one passionate crusader of alterntive medicine. i applaud you for your enthusiasm and belief. but please do not go overboard and crusade for a total abandonment of proven medical therapies and regimes. it can be highly dangerous in cyberspace where you can find all sorts of alternative anti-cancer therapy which is also about making $$$$

there are reports where parents of cancer-striken children refused medical treatment and sought alternative medicine. the result is the premature deaths of their children. esp children suffering from leukaemias which are treatable by well proven chemotherapy. but of course there are other " alternative" medical regimes advocated by others.

early cancers are treatable and curable by early medical intervention. it's suicidal to leave them alone and depend solely on alternative medications and regimes alone. there is a growing group of cancers which are related to our faulty and deranged autoimmune system and these bizarre cancers are affecting the young and the "healthy". maybe some "alternative" regimes can help this group with faulty autoimmune system. but all these are still in the twilight zones. new cancers at different sites are rapidly being discovered and they are getting more and more virulent.

maybe we should develop a healthy body with a healthy immune system even before we discover any cancers in our bodies. that's where preventive medicine comes into play. and that's where your alternative medicine comes in. once the autoimmune system is broken and shattered and once the cancer cells establish inside your system, it's not going to be easy.

i truly appreciate your passionate sharing of your alternatives to traditional cancer cures. but the doctor's role in the prevention, early detection and management of cancers should not be marginalised. thank you.
 

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All our life we have all been listening to only one side of the story and that's the medical establishment. Johnny333 had brought to us the other side of the story and its worth reading for knowledge and alternative view. Please don't stop posting Johnny333 the information you painstakingly brought to us is a fresh breeze and enlightening.
 

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All our life we have all been listening to only one side of the story and that's the medical establishment. Johnny333 had brought to us the other side of the story and its worth reading for knowledge and alternative view. Please don't stop posting Johnny333 the information you painstakingly brought to us is a fresh breeze and enlightening.

alternative views and alternative medicine is not new. it's not easy a fresh breeze. it's old stuff which should be taken with great awareness.

a person stricken with cancer will go all out to seek a cure. anyone with any alternative regime that can promise a cure or even a prolongation of life will be embraced. and this does not come cheap. this does not spare the mercenary doctor and the chalartans too.

so it's good to listen to both sides but the decision is yours. it's not easy to make an informed decision once you are struck with cancer, esp the terminal cancers. it's good to seek alternatives but you have to remain rational and sane in your choice. good luck.
 

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johnny 333 you are one passionate crusader of alterntive medicine. i applaud you for your enthusiasm and belief. but please do not go overboard and crusade for a total abandonment of proven medical therapies and regimes. it can be highly dangerous in cyberspace where you can find all sorts of alternative anti-cancer therapy which is also about making $$$$

there are reports where parents of cancer-striken children refused medical treatment and sought alternative medicine. the result is the premature deaths of their children. esp children suffering from leukaemias which are treatable by well proven chemotherapy. but of course there are other " alternative" medical regimes advocated by others.

early cancers are treatable and curable by early medical intervention. it's suicidal to leave them alone and depend solely on alternative medications and regimes alone. there is a growing group of cancers which are related to our faulty and deranged autoimmune system and these bizarre cancers are affecting the young and the "healthy". maybe some "alternative" regimes can help this group with faulty autoimmune system. but all these are still in the twilight zones. new cancers at different sites are rapidly being discovered and they are getting more and more virulent.

maybe we should develop a healthy body with a healthy immune system even before we discover any cancers in our bodies. that's where preventive medicine comes into play. and that's where your alternative medicine comes in. once the autoimmune system is broken and shattered and once the cancer cells establish inside your system, it's not going to be easy.

i truly appreciate your passionate sharing of your alternatives to traditional cancer cures. but the doctor's role in the prevention, early detection and management of cancers should not be marginalised. thank you.


No one refuses good medical advise unless they are senile or have a very good reason.

Chemo therapy is one of the worst treatments you can undergo. It damages the body.

I knew someone with cancer. While others followed the doctor's advice & did chemo, she decided to go the natural route. She went to a retreat in Malacca where they educate people on what to eat, how to prepare, avoiding stress, exercises, what to avoid, etc. She adopted the recommended life style changes.

The facts speak for themselves. She outlived the others who took the chemo route. Unfortunately she eventually passed away. I suspect she got cancer from 2nd hand smoking, her boss is a heavy smoker. He also passed away from cancer. So if you have smokers in the family, help them to quit.
 

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I agree with Johnny333 about the side effects of chemotherapy. But it also depends on the type of cancers .Whether they are best treated with chemotherapy or not. Yes, I have many friends who were diagnosed with breast cancer and they are still around after simple surgery, radiation and chemotherapy. They are still around playing golf and majong.

In my mother's time, most would have passed long time ago. So there is a place for chemotherapy which is now safer and with less side-effects. We cannot totally write off chemotherapy for alternative medicine. There must be a balance.
 

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People run out of choice because of lack of information to the choices available. One thing for sure chemotherapy kills everything and leave one fully exposed to the tinniest thing that could kill the patient. This was what happened to my late wife many years ago gone not from cancer. Now I am wiser chemotherapy is no longer a choice in my future consideration anymore as I believe there are better choices.
 
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People run out of choice because of lack of information to the choices. One thing for sure chemotherapy kills everything and leave one fully exposed to the tinniest thing that could kill the patient. This was what happened to my late wife many years ago gone not from cancer. Anyway from then on chemotherapy is no longer a choice in my future consideration anymore as I believe there are better choices.

sorry to hear about your wife. i am really sorry.

but chemotherapy does not really kill everything. many cancer patients do survive following chemotherapy. there are many other factors to consider of course: type of cancer, site of cancer, stage of cancer, health of the patient, the immune system of the patient,types of chemotherapy given....any other supporting therapy like radiotherapy or other alternative therapies....

there are so many other factors to consider before the doctors can announce the prognosis....so chemotherapy has its uses and of course like anything else, there are side-effects and complications.....sorry to hear about your wife's case. blessings.
 

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sorry to hear about your wife. i am really sorry.

but chemotherapy does not really kill everything. many cancer patients do survive following chemotherapy. there are many other factors to consider of course: type of cancer, site of cancer, stage of cancer, health of the patient, the immune system of the patient,types of chemotherapy given....any other supporting therapy like radiotherapy or other alternative therapies....

there are so many other factors to consider before the doctors can announce the prognosis....so chemotherapy has its uses and of course like anything else, there are side-effects and complications.....sorry to hear about your wife's case. blessings.

No worries kopiU. What I was driving at is there are more less destructive alternatives that the medical establishment don't want us to know.
 

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Just received the stuff I ordered from SOTA. They sent it by DHL. Didn't know that DHL worked on Sundays :smile:

All the products: Silver Pulser, Magnetic Pulser, & Ozonator come in nice packing boxes & they've included a nice tough padded nylon bag for each of the devices to make transportation convenient.
The company also responded promptly to all my emailed enquiries.
 

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Just received the stuff I ordered from SOTA. They sent it by DHL. Didn't know that DHL worked on Sundays :smile:

All the products: Silver Pulser, Magnetic Pulser, & Ozonator come in nice packing boxes & they've included a nice tough padded nylon bag for each of the devices to make transportation convenient.
The company also responded promptly to all my emailed enquiries.

good luck and good health. blessings.
 
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