Chitchat Confusing Chinese Roots with Chinese politics and conduct

[Narong Wongwan]

Here is interesting rule of thumb. No matter what your views and feelings are about culture, roots, politics, when it comes to education you would send your kids to the West for tertiary education. They might do a module or a post grad or a diploma in China but your core education will be in the West if overseas is an option.

All the opium stories, the factual western record of imperialism, overseas conquest and invasions, sponsored coups and overthrow of government thru assassination are suddenly forgotten. Its called context. They would not dare suggest to their own kids to consider China because they would be laughed and ridiculed. You would not even suggest China or India as an option to colleagues and friends as they will probably think you are confused, mad or mocking these countries.

Is the the same as those anti west Arab Moslems fanatics whose secretly love Coca Cola and American fast food like MacDonalds?
Or NK fat Kim who is a fan of Hollywood?

 

[winners]

fuck off nigger shit skin and learn the meaning of plagiarize. Btw you so free not sucking american cock?

KNNBCCB, you bastard son of a whore. Your English expressions have always been such low standards that there are times which I also cannot understand what the fuck you are talking? I think you are mad indeed. Fungkulo to you and your family. May all of them be cursed to death before this CNY.

Will you dare to meet me for a zap? I doubt so, bloody fucking coward keyboard warrior. What else can you show me besides typing on your keyboard? Fuck to you.

 

[winners]

In fact it's the local Chinese who have been bashing Chinese of other nationalities

Why? So, this has been bothering you all these times and that's also the very reason why you are here in this forum to sow further discord against those who are against the "other" Chinese. If you are a Sinkie, I'll say you are fighting a losing battle. If you are a Chink, I'll say FUCK OFF.

Bloody fucking no balls coward, don't even dare to try my stun gun despite repeated calls. I think your cock is less than 10mm length even when fully erected. Like that how to procreate? You can't even give your whore mother a tiny sensation of orgasm. No wonder she had to find other men because she hates you to the maximum. You end up being a "Nobody's Child", just like the song of the same name.

 

[scroobal]

What you have said below is factually true. There is no disputing these facts. I also recall reading about cannibalism, burning of witches at the stake, quartering the guilty for various crimes. I am not clear about my forefathers but I do recall my grandmother saying something about her grandparents being farmers, tilling land and keeping some animals.

History is always fascinating. Sometimes we live in a World that is so detached from reality. Its a phenomenon that afflicts those who are growing old and its either religion or events of past that they are comfortable with. They genuinely belief its their cause and that it is right. Thankfully the young with access to the Internet and flow of ready information are more independent and can make up their own minds. They no longer have to rely on old foggies with their sense of the World to help them decide.

U go read the Pommies histories of kings killing kings and corruption in English kingdom too.

The Pommies holy bible was translated during King James reign period.
King James was a dictator and are feared by his own people. Like LKY.

Lower mortals hv to slipped tiny notes in between cracked walls and flowers pots to pass messages. Lower mortals want to kill this king.

So don't put Mao or China in bad image dickhead.

 

[scroobal]

Don't get me started on that lot.

Go to London during the month of Ramadan. All the luxury sports comes out of the garages, the tudungs have disappeared, mini skirts are back in fashion and they are in all restaurants in the city.

They get away because their subjects and citizens are ignorant and have no idea what is going on. Imagine with late Senior Kim's world famous rhetoric about the imperial western pigs, he send his son to West to a boarding school. This was the most isolated and the most leftist regime in the World and the son goes to first finishing school for the cultured, sophisticated of the Western dimension.

And ignorant there are plenty and PAP knows that more than anyone. Imagine the Govt pays GLCS for utility vouchers that they give to needy. Its like I rob you of $10 but I give your mum $1 to help her buy food. And then I give my wife the right to sell food.

Is the the same as those anti west Arab Moslems fanatics whose secretly love Coca Cola and American fast food like MacDonalds?
Or NK fat Kim who is a fan of Hollywood?

 

[yinyang]

In essence, there's a world of difference between ethnicity, culture and nationality. And politics is another ball game altogether

http://theydiffer.com/difference-between-race-ethnicity-nationality-and-culture/

 

[scroobal]

40 years ago when HDB began building flats on reclaimed land which is now Marine Parade you should have heard the uncles and aunties talking about it. The buildings will sink, the windows will rust from the salty winds and drop on people, it's not right to build housing on reclaimed land it should be factories. Its took less than 10 years for Marine Parade to outstrip all other HDB estates that were built at the same time.

These older people when they talk, they appear to speak with wisdom, and air of authority and many people believed them. And they themselves were convinced without a shadow of a doubt that they were giving good counsel.

Its like one clown that listed hundreds of invasion done by the West and one by China albeit not successful and thought it was unshakeable bedrock of his argument. Would you even allow someone like that to drive an SBS bus.

 

[scroobal]

Yes. The ability to factor a wide range of variables is important.

In essence, there's a world of difference between ethnicity, culture and nationality. And politics is another ball game altogether

http://theydiffer.com/difference-between-race-ethnicity-nationality-and-culture/

 

[gatehousethetinkertailor]

Don't get me started on that lot.

Go to London during the month of Ramadan. All the luxury sports comes out of the garages, the tudungs have disappeared, mini skirts are back in fashion and they are in all restaurants in the city.

They get away because their subjects and citizens are ignorant and have no idea what is going on.

Actually your timing is off - as a rule of thumb the khaliji/GCC Arabs will not travel during the month of Ramadhan itself (with the flash cars shipped separately so they can annoy the heck of residents in Belgravia) - culturally it is a big no no because of the tribal nature of their society where the men will meet after breaking fast in each other's majlises (not mosques) to socialise. The need to stay put is cultural and also practical as well as about face. And various companies have Ramadhan dinners running all through the month. Once Ramadhan is past then they will descend on London and Paris. As for the "tudungs", the khalijis actually use a sheylah (which is not a tudung but a long scarf wrapped around their heads) and abayas, the loose fitting overgarment. Again, the need to wear these is cultural as no local GCC native girl (except the Kuwaitis) in their native lands would be seen outside the house not wearing one. It has nothing to do with religion. Which is why the need to emulate their look by Muslims elsewhere is peculiar, given they are absolutely clueless what the tribal cultural norms of Gulf Arabs are. And besides khalijis on holiday so not expect the same social norms to be observed because they are on holiday. Sheikha Moza of Qatar wears Western dress with her hair not visible whilst Queen Rania of Jordan does not cover her head. Both are seen in the press and there is no braying for blood because they are not culturally expected to do so. So the characterisation of their "subject and citizens are ignorant" is not true at all (the local bank even have holiday loans for their citizens). They like to travel and London and Paris are favourites and it is not just the upper class of society that frequents these places.

The North African Arabs have their own colourful dress and "hijab" as do the Levantine Arabs. In fact, Morocco, the only North African country relatively unblemised by the Arab spring has just banned the sale of the abaya and sheylah for that very reason - culturally it is alien to their identity (although the press coverage has referred to the burqa which is an Afghan invention whereas the Saudis actually advocate the Niqab depending on the tribal affiliation):

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ans-burqa-security-fears-bandit-a7520156.html

And as we have read, there has been some pushback in Malaysia and Indonesia about the dilution of local cultural by pseudo-religious impulses to appear more religious. Again, back to your point about the loss of critical thinking and contextualising. The requirement is to wear looser garments as an extension of maintaining some semblance of modesty. There is no mention that it has to be black in colour. I remember asking a Malay girl from NUS who had put on the abaya on a trip to Dubai why she chose to wear black - and she of course answered because it was a religious requirement. When challenged why she just did not wear her normal baju kurung with hijab she said "oh you would not understand" - some local girls who were hosting the contingent found her behaviour curious as they wore black garments to suit their social and tribal pressures to do so - not because they were being more religious as the abaya is used over their normal clothes.

Malay girls in loose baju kurungs have been part of the domestic landscape even if they wore colourful tudungs - the creeping desire to emulate the Khalijis goes back to the access to the Internet as well as the preponderance of access to wingnut preachers via the internet. Ironically traditional Gulf Arab dress is very similar to the baju kurung as they wear it underneath the abaya whereas the locals here and in Malaysia/Indonesia have deemed it exclusively as an outfit.

Even the Saudi girls dont approach this from a religious perspective - its about the structure of their society:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25322...rk-outrage-saudi-arabia-mocking-donald-trump/

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=mflMEB355GQ

 

[mojito]

From my analysis, it'll take at least 3 years to doom Tiongland economically via a lasting trade war as they still have vast reserves. Can the SCS issue afford to wait that long and by that time, every damned missile and artillery on those man-made islands would be "ready-to-fire". How to evict them at that stage without a war? And don't forget that by that time, their 2nd aircraft carrier may also be battle ready.

I think 1 very valid reason for US to whack Tiongland is on the pretext of their failure to keep North Korea in check with their nuclear and missile development. And everybody can see for themselves that the CCP is totally not acting at all to suppress that fat Kim. So, should the NK's ICBMs are indeed ready, these will be capable of attacking at least the west coast of America. It will then give Trump a valid reason enough to get the Congress' approval for a conflict with Tiongland, starting from the SCS. By crippling Tiongland to some extent, it will indirectly cut off the umbilical cord (supply of funds) for North Korea.

Your analysis is bollocks loser. Xi's faction has always been at odds with Jiang Zemin's. Jiang was the first to establish closer relations to Pyongyang through the sale of nuclear materials likely as a response to international condemnation of his involvement in the Tiananmen incident. Incidentally Singapore is also close to officials in this faction through investments in China. Even as he stepped down as Chairman his aides hold important positions in the administration including sale of materials to Pyongyang. Xi is not going to let Jiang's boys fatten themselves and stared purging them with his anti corruption drive. China's relations with North Korea will driven by internal party politics rather than some coherent sovereign strategy. Just sit back and enjoy the show. Analysis is not your forte.

 

[scroobal]

I defer to someone who is a proven expert in this area, highly informative and educational. Highly appreciated.

Actually your timing is off - as a rule of thumb the khaliji/GCC Arabs will not travel during the month of Ramadhan itself (with the flash cars shipped separately so they can annoy the heck of residents in Belgravia) - culturally it is a big no no because of the tribal nature of their society where the men will meet after breaking fast in each other's majlises (not mosques) to socialise.

 

[Asterix]

The irony is had the Japanese not invaded China, probably China will belong to Taiwan today as CKS will prevail in China and there will be democracy in China. And I'm sure Asia (from Japan to India) will be more harmonious than today.

What load of bullshit!

1) Taiwan is the place where the KMT army fled to after they lost the civil war period. In other words, if the KMT had won the civil war, Taiwan will be be part of China in the same way that Hainan is part of China. Maybe it might have been a county in the province of Fujian just like Hainan was a county in the province of Guangdong. Most of the KMT leadership are NOT from Taiwan. Chiang Kai Shek is from Zhejiang.

2) When China was closed to the world during the Mao era was the rest of Asia more harmonious than today? If not, why not?

3) Was the KMT democratic? When they ruled China and when they were in Taiwan?

Only know how to talk cock sing song only.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

KNNBCCB, you bastard son of a whore. Your English expressions have always been such low standards that there are times which I also cannot understand what the fuck you are talking? I think you are mad indeed. Fungkulo to you and your family. May all of them be cursed to death before this CNY.

Will you dare to meet me for a zap? I doubt so, bloody fucking coward keyboard warrior. What else can you show me besides typing on your keyboard? Fuck to you.

Why? So, this has been bothering you all these times and that's also the very reason why you are here in this forum to sow further discord against those who are against the "other" Chinese. If you are a Sinkie, I'll say you are fighting a losing battle. If you are a Chink, I'll say FUCK OFF.

Bloody fucking no balls coward, don't even dare to try my stun gun despite repeated calls. I think your cock is less than 10mm length even when fully erected. Like that how to procreate? You can't even give your whore mother a tiny sensation of orgasm. No wonder she had to find other men because she hates you to the maximum. You end up being a "Nobody's Child", just like the song of the same name.

Wah so many personal attacks how much of your family is inbred?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

40 years ago when HDB began building flats on reclaimed land which is now Marine Parade you should have heard the uncles and aunties talking about it. The buildings will sink, the windows will rust from the salty winds and drop on people, it's not right to build housing on reclaimed land it should be factories. Its took less than 10 years for Marine Parade to outstrip all other HDB estates that were built at the same time.

These older people when they talk, they appear to speak with wisdom, and air of authority and many people believed them. And they themselves were convinced without a shadow of a doubt that they were giving good counsel.

Its like one clown that listed hundreds of invasion done by the West and one by China albeit not successful and thought it was unshakeable bedrock of his argument. Would you even allow someone like that to drive an SBS bus.

Seriously what does marine parade outstripping other estates have to do with older people and that have to do with that one clown that wrote about hudnreds of western invasions vs 1 by China? Any correlation? See you write with 0 logic and meaning.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

U go read the Pommies histories of kings killing kings and corruption in English kingdom too.

The Pommies holy bible was translated during King James reign period.
King James was a dictator and are feared by his own people. Like LKY.

Lower mortals hv to slipped tiny notes in between cracked walls and flowers pots to pass messages. Lower mortals want to kill this king.

So don't put Mao or China in bad image dickhead.

What you have said below is factually true. There is no disputing these facts. I also recall reading about cannibalism, burning of witches at the stake, quartering the guilty for various crimes. I am not clear about my forefathers but I do recall my grandmother saying something about her grandparents being farmers, tilling land and keeping some animals.

History is always fascinating. Sometimes we live in a World that is so detached from reality. Its a phenomenon that afflicts those who are growing old and its either religion or events of past that they are comfortable with. They genuinely belief its their cause and that it is right. Thankfully the young with access to the Internet and flow of ready information are more independent and can make up their own minds. They no longer have to rely on old foggies with their sense of the World to help them decide.

You didn't even refute his postings. Your attempt at sarcasm/wit and then breaking from the topic ranting about how the old don't have a grip on reality anymore and thankfully the young have access to the internet is totally moot.

King james did rule like a dictator. You can't dispute that. You can search on the net and it'll tell you the same.

Honestly i don't understand your writing style. You'll string bits and pieces totally unrelated together and try to portray as if you are posting something witty when it's clearly incongruous and doesn't have any sense.

 

[Asterix]

Good thread-
The American War of Independence fought between Britain and its North American colonies is a good example.
At that time people from UK formed around 80% of the American population and most of the Founding Fathers of USA were English eg B Franklin, G Washington, J Adams, J Madison and T Jefferson .
That did not prevent the English Americans to go to war against England.
If China were to invade Taiwan, the same will happen.

This analogy is not correct for the following reasons:

1) The English in America initially did not want independence. They only wanted to have lower taxes and their other complaints dealt with and they will happily be part of the motherland. It was only the attitude of that madman Georgie the whatever that harden some but not all against the motherland and towards independence.

2) A significant if not major portion of the English in America did not support the war. So much so that when the Crown lost those 13 colonies, they voted with their feet and migrated to Canada which from then on turned from being mostly French to mostly English because of these fleeing clowns.

3) The 13 colonies are separated from the motherland by a large ocean. Taiwan is separated from China by a very small straits. Come to think of it the motherland (England) was an island and the 13 colonies were large and will eventually expand into being continental size. Here, Taiwan is the island and China is the continent. Taiwan even if fight sure lose one.

Basically, the mainland Chinese don't have to fight, they just need to make Taiwan so economically dependent on the mainland that there is no other choice. If have to fight, Taiwan will like the 13 colonies be split into those who want to fight and those who don't and Taiwan will definitely lose the fight.

 

[winners]

What load of bullshit!

1) Taiwan is the place where the KMT army fled to after they lost the civil war period. In other words, if the KMT had won the civil war, Taiwan will be be part of China in the same way that Hainan is part of China. Maybe it might have been a county in the province of Fujian just like Hainan was a county in the province of Guangdong. Most of the KMT leadership are NOT from Taiwan. Chiang Kai Shek is from Zhejiang.

2) When China was closed to the world during the Mao era was the rest of Asia more harmonious than today? If not, why not?

3) Was the KMT democratic? When they ruled China and when they were in Taiwan?

Only know how to talk cock sing song only.

Hey Lesbian, you are back. Had missed you for several days already. How the dildo's working and are you still wet, wet, wet?

Anyway, if KMT had continued to rule China, definitely the majority of its people will be better off than with the CCP. And I know the leaders of KMT were originally from China. You don't need to tell me. Are you saying that KMT was also communist? Get your facts right. Of course, you can then say that Taiwan and China are together because after all, they will both be ruled by KMT and the CCP will not exist. Without the CCP, you won't get all the conflicts in Asia today or at least very much minimized (due to presence of NK).

Whatever, you and I cannot change history. So, no need to argue further to make your labia wet again for tonight.

 

[Asterix]

You want to play punk with me, I can also play punk with you. - Sun Tzu

Singapore can ensure that the Kra canal is not built by secretly supporting the Muslim separatists in that area. Those Muslim babis don't need to win, in fact they shouldn't win, all that is required is for them to perpetually create trouble in that corner of the woods so the canal will never be built or even if built never be put to extensive use. Aiyah, so simple also don't know.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...groups-backing-okinawa-independence-activists

 

[winners]

You want to play punk with me, I can also play punk with you. - Sun Tzu

Singapore can ensure that the Kra canal is not built by secretly supporting the Muslim separatists in that area. Those Muslim babis don't need to win, in fact they shouldn't win, all that is required is for them to perpetually create trouble in that corner of the woods so the canal will never be built or even if built never be put to extensive use. Aiyah, so simple also don't know.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...groups-backing-okinawa-independence-activists

Now with the Chinks One Road One Belt (or what shit), stretching down to Malacca and Kuantan, what's there to need the Kra canal anymore?

 

[Asterix]

Hey Lesbian, you are back. Had missed you for several days already. How the dildo's working and are you still wet, wet, wet?

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Whatever, you and I cannot change history. So, no need to argue further to make your labia wet again for tonight.

The lesbian has gone off duty and may or may not be returning.

The MGTOW making this post tells you to stick to the topic and go fuck yourself with whatever you can find :oIo::kma:

Anyway, if KMT had continued to rule China, definitely the majority of its people will be better off than with the CCP. Of course, you can then say that Taiwan and China are together because after all, they will both be ruled by KMT and the CCP will not exist. Without the CCP, you won't get all the conflicts in Asia today or at least very much minimized (due to presence of NK).

Where is the evidence? What are the facts? Your unsubstantiated and baseless opinion is not worth even 2 cents :oIo::kma:

KMT was as corrupt and murderous as the Communist.

The Shanghai massacre of 12 April 1927, sometimes called the April 12 Incident, was the violent suppression of Communist Party organizations in Shanghai by the military forces of Chiang Kai-shek and conservative factions in the Kuomintang (Chinese Nationalist Party, or KMT). Following the incident, conservative KMT elements carried out a full-scale purge of Communists in all areas under their control, and even more violent suppressions occurred in cities such as Guangzhou and Changsha.[1] The purge led to an open split between KMT left and right wings, with Chiang Kai-shek establishing himself as the leader of the right wing at Nanjing in opposition to the original left-wing KMT government led by Wang Jingwei in Wuhan.

By July 15, 1927 the Wuhan regime had also expelled the Communists in its ranks, effectively ending the KMT's four-year alliance with Soviet Russia and its cooperation with the Chinese Communist Party. During the remainder of 1927 the Communists launched several revolts in an attempt to win back power, marking the beginning of the Chinese Civil War. With the failure of the Guangzhou Uprising (December 11–13, 1927) the Chinese Communist Party's eclipse was complete; it was two decades before they were able to launch another major urban offensive.[2] The incident was a key moment in the complex sequence of events that set the stage for the first ten years of the Nationalist government.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre