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Comparing Influenza and Covid19 in Alberta

nayr69sg

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nirvarq

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https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/2-more-flu-related-deaths-in-alberta-bring-total-to-38-1.4879852

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-deena-hinshaw-coronavirus-covid-19-1.5519195

Flu has killed 38 so far this season. 8,500 people recorded with lab-confirmed cases of the flu.
Covid19 has killed 13 so far. 968 confirmed cases of covid19

looks like Influenza causes WAY MORE DEATHS and MORE CASES than this stupid covid19 in Alberta at least.

Lets all get back to work! FUCK!


Indeed !
 

Leongsam

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How on earth did the owners of this media outlet allow the truth to leak out in such a manner.

This is going to kill the whole narrative that corona is far more deadly than the flu. It would be a disaster if this info was allowed to spread.
 

glockman

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https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/2-more-flu-related-deaths-in-alberta-bring-total-to-38-1.4879852

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-deena-hinshaw-coronavirus-covid-19-1.5519195

Flu has killed 38 so far this season. 8,500 people recorded with lab-confirmed cases of the flu.
Covid19 has killed 13 so far. 968 confirmed cases of covid19

looks like Influenza causes WAY MORE DEATHS and MORE CASES than this stupid covid19 in Alberta at least.

Lets all get back to work! FUCK!
Seems mortality rate is higher for this covid-19 thing as compared to the flu. But then again, what do I know! :biggrin:
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/2-more-flu-related-deaths-in-alberta-bring-total-to-38-1.4879852

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-deena-hinshaw-coronavirus-covid-19-1.5519195

Flu has killed 38 so far this season. 8,500 people recorded with lab-confirmed cases of the flu.
Covid19 has killed 13 so far. 968 confirmed cases of covid19

looks like Influenza causes WAY MORE DEATHS and MORE CASES than this stupid covid19 in Alberta at least.

Lets all get back to work! FUCK!


You have to look at the ratios:

Flu: 38/8500 = 0.447% mortality rate
Covid: 13/968 = 1.34% mortality rate

Covid has a mortality rate of close to 30 times that of flu.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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The mortality rate for flu is actually FAR lower than 0.447%, because most people who get flu will simply head for home and get bed rest, rather than get lab tested. Lab testing only applies when it's a more serious case of flu, or when it is a suspected Covid case.
 

Leongsam

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You have to look at the ratios:

Flu: 38/8500 = 0.447% mortality rate
Covid: 13/968 = 1.34% mortality rate

Covid has a mortality rate of close to 30 times that of flu.

968 is not the number that have caught the virus. It is the number that have been tested because they sought treatment.

Flu numbers are estimated mathematically after the fact because there is a lot of data available over the years.

And 0.477 x 30 does not equal 1.34
 

Leongsam

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The mortality rate for flu is actually FAR lower than 0.447%, because most people who get flu will simply head for home and get bed rest, rather than get lab tested. Lab testing only applies when it's a more serious case of flu, or when it is a suspected Covid case.

Same applies to Covid-19. In fact Iceland is finding that 50% or more have no symptoms whatsoever. Add to that the 80% who have mild symptoms and who never bothered to get tested and you can see that the denominator is vastly understated.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Oh shit!

1.34%! Die lah. Ok everyone go back home dont come out.


The way I see it, coronovirus is here to stay and will become seasonal. Whether the mortality is 0.5% or 1% or 1.5%, people will just have to get used to it. Old folks will experience a higher mortality rate, but unless they choose to remain indoors every time the covid season arrives, they will have to learn to accept it.
 

Leongsam

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The way I see it, coronovirus is here to stay and will become seasonal. Whether the mortality is 0.5% or 1% or 1.5%, people will just have to get used to it. Old folks will experience a higher mortality rate, but unless they choose to remain indoors every time the covid season arrives, they will have to learn to accept it.

Old folks will not experience a higher mortality rate because the coronavirus is no worse than other forms of respiratory infections that cause pneumonia in the old.
 

nayr69sg

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The way I see it, coronovirus is here to stay and will become seasonal. Whether the mortality is 0.5% or 1% or 1.5%, people will just have to get used to it. Old folks will experience a higher mortality rate, but unless they choose to remain indoors every time the covid season arrives, they will have to learn to accept it.
Until we get a vaccine for it.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Old folks will not experience a higher mortality rate because the coronavirus is no worse than other forms of respiratory infections that cause pneumonia in the old.


Haven't the first 3 months of this year proven otherwise? Old people above 70 are way more vulnerable, with mortality rates ranging from 5% to 20% depending on country.

In Italy, the mortality rate is through the roof because the system is overwhelmed, so they are an outlier. In SG, we are also an outlier with low death rate because of the advanced medical facilities we have. Nonethless, it can be seen that all of SG's deaths were folks well into their twilight years, so this only confirms the old are far more vulnerable.
 

Leongsam

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Haven't the first 3 months of this year proven otherwise? Old people above 70 are way more vulnerable, with mortality rates ranging from 5% to 20% depending on country.

In Italy, the mortality rate is through the roof because the system is overwhelmed, so they are an outlier. In SG, we are also an outlier with low death rate because of the advanced medical facilities we have. Nonethless, it can be seen that all of SG's deaths were folks well into their twilight years, so this only confirms the old are far more vulnerable.

I thought so too until I came across statistics regarding Europe's mortality rates for the last 4.5 years. There have been other years when mortality rates have been even higher but I guess it was just the mundane topic of the flu so nobody made a big song and dance about the thousands dying.

Also take a look at https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_pooled.html

There is a spike every winter. Winter is deadly. We should move everyone into tropical areas of the world.

Pooled-number-1.png
 

Leongsam

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Until we get a vaccine for it.

I am also doubtful that immunising the elderly actually makes that much difference to the death rates because the immune response is usually rather weak and does not last that long.

The decision to vaccinate the old folk is a political decision not a scientific one.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/46/7/1078/291620

One major health issue arising with age is the increasing prevalence and severity of some infectious diseases, which partly reflects the age-related decline in immune function. Pneumonia, infections of the urinary tract and the skin, and reactivation of infection with latent pathogens, such as varicella zoster virus and Mycobacterium tuberculosis, are common in the elderly population. Influenza, for example, is often associated with severe complications and secondary infections in elderly persons. During an epidemic influenza season, 3–5 million cases of severe disease and 250,000–500,000 deaths occur worldwide [2]. In industrialized countries, most deaths associated with influenza occur among elderly persons. In developed countries, such as the United States, deaths due to pneumonia and influenza account for >3% of all deaths in people aged ⩾65 years [3]. Vaccination is of crucial importance in preventing infection and protecting the vulnerable elderly population from disease. Because the efficacy of a vaccine depends on the quality of the immune response, immunocompromised persons, such as very young infants and elderly persons, are likely to be insufficiently protected [4]. Thus, over the past decade, a large number of studies have shown that a variety of vaccines are less efficient in elderly persons. Annual vaccination against influenza, for example, is recommended in most developed countries for persons with underlying chronic diseases and for everybody aged >60 or >65 years, depending on individual national recommendations. However, antibody responses after vaccination are lower in elderly persons than in young adults [5]. Decreased IgA and IgG antibody concentrations, delayed peak antibody titers, and a faster decline in titers occur, especially in very old and frail persons. For example, seroprotection against influenza virus strains is only 29%–46% in persons aged ⩾75 years, compared with 41%–58% in persons 60–74 years of age (table 1). Because nonadjuvanted influenza virus subunit vaccines show lower seroprotection and seroconversion rates than do adjuvanted subunit, virosomal, or split vaccines [14, 15], they should not be administered to elderly persons. There are >90 serotypes of Streptococcus pneumoniae, and many of these frequently affect young children and elderly persons. Fifteen percent to 30% of cases of pneumonia are associated with invasive pneumococcal disease (e.g., bacteremia or meningitis), with a case-fatality rate of up to 40% for persons aged ⩾85 years [10]. Currently, the 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine offers protection against invasive pneumococcal disease (50%–70%) in the general elderly population but has only moderate effects (20%) in the high-risk elderly population [16]. Moreover, the vaccine has only little effect against pneumonia. Although 7-valent conjugate polysaccharide vaccines have been developed that improve vaccine responses in young children, these vaccines failed to improve immunogenicity in elderly persons [17].
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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In countries with rapidly ageing population, the old foggies have a lot of political power, so politicians will have to do anything to make them happy.

This group will be dictating national policy for the foreseeable future, so expect all kinds of measures to protect them.
 

syed putra

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I hope the won't cancel the tour d' france and giro d' italia because of the virus. Its the only chance i get to see the european countryside and small quaint little towns,
 
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