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外交部回应“中国不应当把限制从美国进口大豆作为报复措施”言论
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  新华社北京3月30日电(记者 温馨)针对美国驻华大使布兰斯塔德近日接受媒体采访时表示“中国不应当把限制从美国进口大豆作为报复措施”,外交部发言人陆慷30日在例行记者会上作出回应。

  “我知道布兰斯塔德大使来自美国重要的农业州。他关心美国农业产业者利益是完全可以理解的。事实上,最近我们也看到,美国国内因担心美国政府单边主义措施导致中美贸易关系恶化的还不仅仅是农产品行业。”陆慷说。

  他表示,至于中方是否应该拿大豆作为反制领域,必须清楚一点,那就是进行贸易和贸易战的区别在于,贸易是大家商量着来,而贸易战一旦开打,应战的一方只会根据自身利益和需要来决定反制的时间、方式和领域。

  “我们多次说过,中方不想打贸易战。同时,我们也多次表明过,如果被迫卷入贸易战,中方有底气、有信心维护好自身利益。”陆慷说。

  他表示,中方希望美方决策者也认真聆听美国消费者和有关产业界的广泛呼声,仔细权衡单边主义举措对美方的利害得失,没必要非撞上南墙再回头。





The Ministry of Foreign Affairs responds that "China should not use soybeans as a retaliatory measure for restrictions from the United States"
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Xinhua News Agency, Beijing, March 30 (Reporter warmly): The US ambassador to China, Blandstad, said in an interview with the media recently that “China should not use soybeans as a retaliatory measure for restrictions from the United States.” Japan responded at a regular press conference.

“I know that Ambassador Brandstad is from an important agricultural state in the United States. He is fully aware of the interests of American agricultural industry. In fact, recently we have also seen that due to concerns about U.S. government unilateralism It is not just the agricultural products industry that has deteriorated in the U.S. trade relations," said Lu Wei.

He said that as to whether China should take soybean as a counter-measure field, it must be clear that the difference between trade and trade war is that trade is everyone's discussion, and once the trade war is started, the warring party will only rely on its own interests. And the need to decide the time, method, and field of countermeasures.

"We have said many times that China does not want to fight a trade war. At the same time, we have repeatedly stated that if we are forced into a trade war, China is emboldened and confident in safeguarding its own interests," said Lu Wei.

He said that China hopes that the US policy makers will also listen carefully to the widespread voice of US consumers and relevant industry circles, and carefully weigh the interests of the U.S. side in the unilateral measures. It is not necessary to bump into the South Wall and turn back.
 

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  原标题:别撞上南墙再回头!外交部今日霸气回应,美国大豆出口协会慌了… 

  据人民日报客户端消息,在今天(3月30日)的外交部例行记者会上,有记者问了这样一个问题:

  据报道,美驻华大使布兰斯塔德接受媒体采访时表示,中国不应把限制从美国进口大豆作为报复措施,中方对此有何评论?

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  外交部发言人陆慷表示,中方不想打贸易战,但如果被迫卷入贸易战,中方有底气、有信心维护好自身利益,美方没必要非撞上南墙再回头。

  别撞上南墙再回头!

  外交部回应限制进口美国大豆

  陆慷在记者会上说:

  我知道布兰斯塔德大使来自美国重要的农业州。他关心美国农业产业者利益是完全可以理解的。事实上,最近我们也看到,美国国内因担心美国政府单边主义措施导致中美贸易关系恶化的还不仅仅是农产品行业。

  至于中方是否应该拿大豆作为反制领域,我想大家必须清楚一点,那就是进行贸易和贸易战的区别在于,贸易是大家商量着来,而贸易战一旦开打,应战的一方只会根据自身利益和需要来决定反制的时间、方式和领域。

  陆慷表示,我们多次说过,中方不想打贸易战。同时,我们也多次表明过,如果被迫卷入贸易战,中方有底气、有信心维护好自身利益。我们希望美方决策者也认真聆听美国消费者和有关产业界的广泛呼声,仔细权衡单边主义举措对美方的利害得失,没必要非撞上南墙再回头。

  不少网友纷纷为外交部的回应点赞↓

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  据美国大豆协会统计,每年美国农民生产的大豆有1/3销往中国,总价值约为140亿美元,过去十年中国进口量至少翻了一倍。《环球时报》3月21日发文称,美国补贴大豆出口严重冲击中国豆农,但大豆没有出现在此前中国政府针对美国钢铝关税发布的对等反制名单中。

  因此,在这一轮贸易战中,“大豆牌”被不少人认为是中国最有效的反制措施之一。每经小编(微信号:nbdnews)注意到,尽管大豆尚未纳入中国的反制计划,但美国大豆出口协会已经很慌了。

  满满的“求生欲”

  让美大豆出口协会亲自来华

  3月30日,参考消息援引外媒报道称,美国和中国官员举行会谈,以保护美国的大豆和其他农产品免受北京和华盛顿互施的贸易制裁。

  据香港《南华早报》网站3月29日报道,美国大豆出口协会董事凯文·斯科特说,美国大豆出口协会成员本周抵达北京,与中国农业农村部国际合作司的官员见了面,正在想办法保持美国对中国最大出口产品大豆的正常贸易。

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  报道称,消息人士说,美国贸易代表莱特希泽的办公室召集包括美国大豆协会在内的多个农业协会的代表到华盛顿举行一次特别圆桌会议。

  消息人士说,会议将于(当地时间)30日举行,会议的目的是“解决我们国家的生产者和农业企业面临的贸易问题”。

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  报道称,中国商务部此前宣布将对包括水果、红酒和钢管在内的120多种美国产品征收15%的进口关税,总额9.77亿美元(1美元约合6.28元人民币)。中国还计划对另外8类产品征收25%的进口关税,其中包括猪肉和回收铝,价值20亿美元。

  另据路透社3月29日报道,《中国日报》29日发表社论称,如果与美国的贸易争端升级,中国可能针对美国多个行业采取行动,包括农业、飞机、汽车、半导体行业,甚至服务业。

  让我们暂时把目光放回大豆。在3月24日的中国发展高层论坛上,全国社会保障基金理事会理事长楼继伟一番引起全场热烈鼓掌的发言,就曾提及“大豆牌”。

  “我觉得中国给出的措施还没有打到美国的痛点……可以先打(美国)大豆,然后打(美国)汽车,然后打(美国)飞机……”

  而昨日(3月29日),美国驻华大使布兰斯塔德周四在接受彭博社电视采访时称,中国若限制美国大豆进口,将伤害中国消费者,起到适得其反的效果,比对美国农民伤害更深。

  那么,大豆这张“牌”,打出来到底有多大影响?

  两种声音:

  精准反制赢得主动VS抬升通胀压力

  部分支持者认为,从中美两国的资源禀赋和产业竞争格局看,农业是美对华最具出口竞争力的产业之一,对美具有重要的经济利益和政治影响。

  据环球网报道,同济大学经济与管理学院教授程国强认为,若美拟启动基于“301调查”的高关税保护主义措施,我们应根据WTO《保障措施协议》,将美大豆等农产品纳入备用报复清单,一旦贸易冲突不可避免,要当机立断对美实施精准反制,从战略上赢得主动权。

  第一,反制美大豆,将具有直接的效果。

  大豆是美对华出口的第二大产品,2017年出口额达150多亿美元,相当于美对华货物出口总额的11%,占美对华农产品出口额的58%。尤其是,美国大豆出口依存度较高,生产量的40%以上必须通过出口来消化,而美大豆出口的60%以上是中国市场。

  如2017年,美国大豆产量11952万吨,出口量达5313万吨(占产量的44%),其中,对华出口3286万吨,占大豆出口总量的62%。美大豆出口的高集中度特征,将增强反制措施的贸易报复效果,有利于形成有效的反制机制。

  第二,限制美大豆进口,对美有可能产生重要的政治影响。

  美大豆生产的95%以上集中布局在伊利诺伊、艾奥瓦、明尼苏达等10个中西部农业产区。而在2016年美大选中,特朗普得到其中8个农业州的支持,是其赢得选举的重要票仓。

  若限制美大豆进口,将直接影响美大豆主产州经济,进而形成对特朗普严重不利的政治影响和选举压力,促使美政府回到谈判轨道。

  第三,大豆的反制措施,将促进改善中国大豆的全球供给结构。

  目前中国大豆进口1/3来自美国,2/3来自巴西等南美产区。从长期看,反制美国大豆进口所形成的贸易转移效应,有可能激发全球大豆生产潜能,形成新的全球大豆供给格局,有利于我国建立更加公平、合理、稳定、持续的全球大豆供应链。

  一方面,目前即将进入北半球大豆种植季节,除了美国外,黑海等地区的大豆生产潜力一直被抑制。若反制美国大豆,将给这些具有大豆潜力的产区新的市场机会,促进增加全球大豆供给。

  另一方面,从4月开始,美国供货季基本结束,进入南美供应季,反制美大豆所腾出的部分市场机会,既有可能转化为对南美大豆的新增需求,也有可能形成南美产区下一季扩张大豆生产的信号。

  每经小编(微信号:nbdnews)查阅海关数据发现,中国2月份大豆进口量为542.4万吨,同比下降2.05%,年初迄今共进口1390万吨,同比增长5.4%。其中,从美国进口的大豆数量骤减,为334.5万吨,同比下降24.4%,年初迄今共进口916.1万吨,同比下降18.3%。

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  不过,也有分析师认为,“大豆牌”可能成为中国通胀不能承受之重。

  招商证券谢亚轩团队认为,中国大豆消费严重依赖进口,国内库存水平较低,同时需求相对刚性,这将令供给的边际变化导致价格剧烈波动。大豆价格的上涨将显著抬升通胀压力,进而影响央行货币政策操作,可能对年内资本市场表现与大类资产配置策略带来变数。

  其研报指出,大豆价格影响CPI主要有五个路径:

  路径1:大豆作为油料可以用于压榨生产豆油,豆油除了食用之外还可用于制成生物燃料。

  路径2:大豆可用于制成豆腐等大豆类食品。

  路径3:大豆榨油之后产出豆粕,是生猪养殖等肉禽养殖业的重要饲料成分。

  路径4:大豆价格的波动也可能影响到其它粮食的价格,进而间接对食品通胀造成影响。

  路径5:大豆价格的波动还可能影响通胀预期的形成。

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  招商证券认为,在这五个路径中,前三者更为直接,如果仅仅考虑这三个路径的影响,可以初步判断CPI中与大豆相关的细项分别包括了粮食、食用油、以及猪肉禽肉类等,而这三项在CPI中的累计权重达到约7.5%。

  报告称,考虑以上三个细项量化大豆价格对CPI同比的影响,大豆价格上涨5%、10%、20%、30%的情况下,将额外拉动CPI同比0.08、0.17、0.33、0.50个百分点,这将显著抬升中国通胀压力。

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  因此,谢亚轩团队认为,考虑到大豆价格波动对于中国CPI的显著影响,这在一定程度上制约了中国选择大豆作为反制措施的可能性。

  小编注意到,一度多日走低的5月大豆期货,本周四却盘中上扬,收涨27.55美分,报1044.75美分/蒲式耳。

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  华尔街见闻称,这或许与美国农业部本周四首次公布的今年美国农民种植问卷调查有关。调查显示,今年美国计划种植的大豆面积(8900万英亩)超越了玉米的面积(8800万英亩),为35年来首次。

  彭博社则认为,这似乎代表美国农民并不担心中国可能的制裁措施,花旗集团和摩根大通的分析师也都在本周预期,中国不会对美国大豆施加额外关税报复。

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The Chinese Domineering Response Do Not Hit the South Wall and Return Again The US Soybean Export Association panicked
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Original title: Don't bump into the South Wall and look back! The Ministry of Foreign Affairs responded with arrogance today and the American Soybean Export Association panicked...

According to the People's Daily news from the client, a reporter at the regular press conference of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs today (March 30) asked such a question:

According to reports, the US ambassador to China Blandstad said in an interview with the media that China should not regard restricting soybean imports from the United States as a retaliatory measure. What is China's comment on this?
▲Source: People's Daily ▲Source: People's Daily

Foreign Ministry Spokesman Lu Yong said that China does not want to fight a trade war, but if it is forced into a trade war, China is emboldened and confident in safeguarding its own interests. The United States does not need to hit the South Wall and then turn back.

Don't hit the south wall and look back!

Foreign Ministry responds to restrictions on the import of U.S.

Lu Hao said at the press conference:

I know that Ambassador Brandstad is from an important agricultural state in the United States. His concern for the interests of U.S. agricultural industries is entirely understandable. In fact, recently we have also noticed that it is not just the agricultural product industry that has caused the deterioration of Sino-U.S. trade relations in the United States because of concerns about U.S. government unilateralism.

As to whether China should take soybeans as a countermeasure, I think we must make it clear that the difference between trade and trade wars is that trade is a matter for everyone to discuss, and once a trade war is started, the warring party will only rely on its own interests. And the need to decide the time, method, and field of countermeasures.

Lu Hao said that we have repeatedly said that China does not want to fight a trade war. At the same time, we have repeatedly stated that if we are forced into the trade war, China is emboldened and confident in safeguarding its own interests. We hope that the US policy makers will also listen carefully to the widespread voice of US consumers and relevant industry circles and carefully weigh the benefits and losses of unilateralism to the United States. There is no need to bump into the South Wall and return.

Many netizens have praised the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for their response.

According to the American Soybean Association, one-third of the soybeans produced by US farmers each year are sold to China with a total value of about US$14 billion. China's imports have at least doubled in the past decade. "Global Times" issued a document on March 21 stating that the US subsidized soybean exports had a severe impact on Chinese soybean farmers. However, the soybeans did not appear in the list of countermeasures issued by the Chinese government against the US steel and aluminum tariffs.

Therefore, in this round of trade wars, the "soybean card" was considered by many as one of China's most effective countermeasures. Every small series (micro-signal: nbdnews) notes that although soybeans have not yet been included in China's countermeasures, the American Soybean Export Association has been panicking.

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Let the Soybean Export Association visit China in person

On March 30, the reference news quoted foreign media reports that US and Chinese officials held talks to protect US soybeans and other agricultural products from the trade sanctions imposed by Beijing and Washington.

According to the Hong Kong South China Morning Post website reported on March 29, Kevin Scott, director of the American Soybean Export Association, said that members of the American Soybean Export Association arrived in Beijing this week and met with the officials of the Department of International Cooperation of the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Agriculture of China. It is trying to maintain the normal trade of soybeans, the largest export product of China.
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According to reports, sources said that U.S. Trade Representative Latschitzer’s office convened representatives from several agricultural associations, including the American Soybean Association, to a special round-table conference in Washington.

Sources said that the meeting will be held on the 30th (local time). The purpose of the meeting is to "solve the trade issues facing our country's producers and agricultural enterprises."
▲ US Trade Representative Lite Shizzle (Image: Vision China) ▲ US Trade Representative Lite Shizzle (Image: Vision China)

According to reports, the Chinese Ministry of Commerce had previously announced that it would levy an import tariff of 15% on more than 120 U.S. products, including fruits, red wine, and steel pipes, for a total of 977 million U.S. dollars (a U.S. dollar of approximately 6.28 yuan). China also plans to impose an import tariff of 25% on another eight categories of products, including pork and recycled aluminum, worth US$2 billion.

According to another Reuters report on March 29, the “China Daily” published an editorial on the 29th saying that if trade disputes with the United States escalate, China may take action against multiple industries in the United States, including agriculture, aircraft, automobiles, semiconductor industries, and even services. industry.

Let us temporarily turn our attention back to soybeans. At the China Development High-Level Forum on March 24th, Lou Jiwei, Chairman of the National Council for Social Security Funds, gave a round of applause speeches and referred to the "soybean card."

"I think that the measures China has given have not reached the pain point of the United States ... you can hit (American) soybeans first, then (United States) cars, and then (United States) aircraft..."

Yesterday (March 29th), U.S. Ambassador to China Branstad said in a TV interview with Bloomberg on Thursday that if China restricts U.S. soybean imports, it will hurt Chinese consumers and counterproductive results. Farmers hurt more deeply.

So, how much influence does the soybean "card" play?

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Some supporters believe that from the perspective of resource endowments and industrial competition in China and the United States, agriculture is one of the most export-competitive industries of the United States to China and has important economic benefits and political influence on the United States.

According to Global Network report, Professor Cheng Guoqiang of Tongji University School of Economics and Management believes that if the United States intends to launch a high tariff protection measure based on the "301 investigation," we should incorporate the soybean products of the United States into the list of stand-by retaliations in accordance with the WTO Agreement on Safeguard Measures. Once trade conflicts are unavoidable, we must act decisively to implement accurate countermeasures against the United States and win the initiative from a strategic point of view.

First, counter-producing US soybeans will have a direct effect.

Soybean is the second largest US product exported to China. In 2017, the export value reached more than 15 billion U.S. dollars, equivalent to 11% of U.S. goods exports to China, and 58% of U.S. agricultural exports to China. In particular, the United States has a high degree of dependence on soybean exports, and more than 40% of its production must be digested through exports, and over 60% of the US soybean exports are in the Chinese market.

For example, in 2017, the United States produced 111.52 million tons of soybeans and exported 53.13 million tons (44% of the production). Among them, 32.86 million tons were exported to China, accounting for 62% of total soybean exports. The high concentration of U.S. soybean exports will enhance the effectiveness of countermeasures in retaliation for trade and help form an effective countermeasure mechanism.

Second, restricting US soybean imports may have an important political impact on the United States.

More than 95% of U.S. soybean production is concentrated in 10 midwest agricultural regions such as Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota. In the 2016 U.S. election, Trump was supported by eight of the agricultural states and was an important ticket for the election.

Restricting the import of US soybeans will directly affect the economy of US soybean producing countries, which will in turn create political pressure and election pressure on Trump. This will prompt the US government to return to the negotiation track.

Third, soybean countermeasures will promote the improvement of the global supply structure of China's soybeans.

Currently, one-third of China's soybean imports come from the United States, and two-thirds come from Brazil and other South American production regions. In the long term, counteracting the trade transfer effect caused by US soybean imports may stimulate global soybean production potential and form a new global soybean supply pattern, which is conducive to the establishment of a fairer, more reasonable, stable and sustainable global soybean supply chain in China.

On the one hand, it is currently about to enter the northern hemisphere soybean planting season. In addition to the United States, the potential for soybean production in the Black Sea and other regions has been suppressed. If the U.S. soybeans are counter-produced, new market opportunities will be given to these soybean producing regions and the global soybean supply will be increased.

On the other hand, starting in April, the U.S. supply season has basically come to an end, entering the South American supply season, counteracting some of the market opportunities vacated by U.S. soybeans, which may turn into new demand for South American soybeans, and may also form South Americans. The next quarter will expand the signal of soybean production.

According to Customs data from Xiaobian (micro-signal: nbdnews), China's soybean imports in February were 5.424 million tons, a year-on-year decrease of 2.05%. The year-to-date total imports were 13.9 million tons, a year-on-year increase of 5.4%. Among them, the number of soybeans imported from the United States dropped drastically to 3.345 million tons, a year-on-year decrease of 24.4%. The year-to-date total imports were 9.161 million tons, a year-on-year decrease of 18.3%.
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However, some analysts believe that the "soybean card" may become an unbearable burden for China's inflation.

The team of China Merchants Securities Xia Yaxuan believes that China's soybean consumption is heavily dependent on imports, domestic inventory levels are low, and the demand is relatively rigid, which will cause the marginal changes in supply to cause price volatility. The rise in soybean prices will significantly increase inflationary pressures, which in turn will affect the central bank's monetary policy operations, which may cause variations in the performance of capital markets and the allocation strategy of major assets during the year.

According to its report, there are five main paths for soybean prices to affect CPI:

Path 1: Soybean oil can be used to crush soybean oil, which can be used to make biofuels in addition to food.

Path 2: Soybeans can be used to make soybean products such as tofu.

Path 3: Soybean meal production after soyabean oil extraction is an important feed ingredient in the poultry breeding industry such as hog farming.

Path 4: Fluctuations in soybean prices may also affect the prices of other foods, and indirectly affect food inflation.

Path 5: Fluctuations in soybean prices may also affect the formation of inflation expectations.

China Merchants Securities believes that among the five paths, the first three are more direct. If only the impact of these three paths is considered, it can be initially determined that the details related to soybeans in the CPI include grain, cooking oil, and pork and poultry respectively. Meat, etc., and the cumulative weight of these three items in the CPI reached approximately 7.5%.

The report said that taking into account the impact of the above three sub-items on quantifying the impact of soybean prices on the year-on-year CPI, soybean prices rose by 5%, 10%, 20%, and 30%, which would increase the CPI by an additional 0.08, 0.17, 0.33, and 0.50 percentage points. This will significantly increase inflationary pressure in China.

Therefore, Xie Yaxuan’s team believes that taking into account the significant impact of soybean price fluctuations on China’s CPI, this has to some extent constrained the possibility of China’s choice of soybeans as a countermeasure.

Xiao Bian noted that the once-daily May soybean futures, which rose on Thursday, rose 27.55 cents to 1044.75 cents per bushel.

According to Wall Street, this may be related to the United States Farmers' Questionnaire Survey this year, which was first announced this Thursday. The survey shows that the area of soybeans planned to grow in the United States this year (89 million acres) exceeds the area of corn (88 million acres) for the first time in 35 years.

Bloomberg believes that this seems to represent that American farmers are not worried about China's possible sanctions. Citigroup and JP Morgan's analysts also expect this week that China will not impose additional tariff retaliation on US soybeans.

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Trump is barking up the wrong tree. The problem is ah tiong land does not play fair. So that is why the USA is economically disadvantaged. The worse thing is successive administration's has allowed China to cheat the system. It's time to force ah tiong land to open it's markets. Why China can ban Google, youtube , FB etc? And why foreign banks cannot operate in ah tiong land? Why imports into ah tiong land face soo much tariffs? USA should have tekan China 20 years ago n now they have created a monster.
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When Elon Musk speaks, the world listens.

Just weeks after blasting a Tesla into space, the billionaire entrepreneur used Twitter to highlight one of the deep grievances at the heart of US-China economic ties.

He tweeted to Donald Trump about the unfairness of electric vehicle trade between the two countries, pointing out his Teslas are sold in China with a 25 per cent tariff.

Chinese car manufacturers, on the other hand, can export both their vehicles and parts into the US market with only a 2.5 per cent tariff.

As Mr Musk pointed out, the only way for international car companies to avoid the 25 per cent duty in China is to set up a joint manufacturing venture with a Chinese company, which will take at least 50 per cent ownership.

As part of the conditions, foreign car companies are either required or encouraged to transfer their research and development technology to the Chinese partner.

If ever there's a deal more obvious in its distribution of short and long-term interests, it's this.

But as Chinese leaders know too well, their market is too big a bargaining chip, and it's a deal the big German, Japanese and American carmakers have been willing to cut.

So far, they've benefited greatly from the arrangement.

As the ABC's Business editor Ian Verrender pointed out in a scathing assessment of the Trump administration's new steel and aluminium tariffs: "China has managed its phenomenal rise by pursuing policies that should never have been allowed under the WTO [World Trade Organisation]."

The concessions in the car industry are a prime example because, as Mr Musk points out, there are now several fully owned Chinese electric vehicle companies setting up shop in the US.

No American joint-venture partner needed, nor any requirement to transfer profit or know-how.

Beijing throwing its weight behind Chinese brands
Seventeen years ago when China joined the WTO, Americans and Europeans didn't want to buy Chinese cars, and to a large degree that remains the case today.

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But now Beijing is supercharging both its state-backed and private giants to not only reclaim market share lost at home to the foreign brands, but to try to take it from international companies abroad.

Under its plan, Made in China 2025, Beijing and provincial governments seek to pump billions of dollars into assisting high-tech manufacturers, as well as encouraging companies to take over or buy strategic stakes in foreign companies.

Last month, Chinese car giant Geely became the largest shareholder in Germany's Daimler in a deal its chairman, Li Shufu, hopes will help transfer German battery research and development to China.

Electric and hybrid vehicles are a high priority in the 2025 plan, with a goal of having two Chinese brands among the global top 10 for sales volume within a decade.

It's a modest target; there are already three Chinese companies there, including BYD — a massive private technology and transport company in close pursuit of Tesla to top the list.

As part of protectionist measures, Beijing has effectively banned Chinese electric vehicle companies that receive subsidies under the 2025 scheme from using foreign batteries in their cars.

It's a policy designed to ensure China dominates its own domestic market in a rapidly growing industry.

But Chinese car companies have their eyes set on exporting cars overseas, and Chinese vehicles are already starting to make small inroads in Europe and Australia.

This is no win-win situation
"BMW, Volkswagen, Audi as well as GM, Ford and others have entered the vehicle market in China", China's Science and Technology Minister, Wan Gang, recently told a media conference in response to Mr Musk's criticism.

"They are all in joint ventures with Chinese companies and enjoy equal treatment," he said.

"I think the outcomes are great, it brings together the complimentary advantages of both sides."

It certainly is hugely advantageous to insist foreign car companies must share their strengths and equity to access China's market or face large tariffs, while fast-growing Chinese rivals don't have to share anything to access equivalent markets abroad.

It's an issue European car-making countries and the US business chamber increasingly call attention to, while still treading lightly enough to avoid risking their revenues in China.

And it will prove far more important than any steel tariff in the long run to addressing trade tensions between the world's two largest economies.

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美挑起贸易战原因是什么?央视记者王冠用事实撕下美国面具
2018-03-31 12:15 特朗普 /关税 /进出口
在美国的官方叙事里,特朗普政府对华贸易战是为了保护美国“国家安全”和解决”知识产权”问题,听上去理由“正当”,但着实煽动和忽悠了不少人。白宫的说法多大程度上属实?事实和数据告诉了我们什么?什么是301和232调查?来看央视记者王冠的观察。

△视频:撕下美国“国家安全”“知识产权”的面具

美国对华“贸易战”的两轮攻势

这次特朗普政府的对华贸易战主要有两轮攻势,可以简单归纳为232301

前者是特朗普援引美国《1962年贸易扩展法》的232条款,以危害国家安全为由向产自中国的钢材和铝材征收25%和10%的关税,关键词是国家安全。

后者也就是最近一轮301调查,是白宫根据《1974贸易法》,对中国知识产权等问题收取的惩罚性关税,关键词是知识产权。

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拿国家安全当幌子搞保护主义

先看232调查。特朗普政府说,针对中国出口美国的钢材征税,是因为中国钢材危害到了美国国家安全。

但综合中国海关、美国钢铁协会和独立的第三方机构兰格钢铁研究中心三家数据来看,2006年,中国出口美国钢材540万吨。到了2017年,很多人认为随着中美整体贸易的增长中国出口也应该相应上涨,结果只有118万吨,跌幅78%,原因之一是美国期间多次对中国钢铁制裁。如今,在美国钢铁进口国家排名中,中国只排第11。

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不少人觉得纳闷:为什么区区这些钢铁出口到美国,就能威胁到美国庞大的、天罗地网般的国家安全系统?美国财经媒体甚至也提出异议。

彭博新闻社的这篇文章就说《国家安全是搞保护主义的好理由,但不该选钢和铝来制裁》。

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我们拿美国对中国和加拿大的区别待遇,来看看华盛顿到底是为国家安全,还是拿国家安全当幌子搞保护主义。

美国进口钢材数量排名中,加拿大排第1,中国第11。但制裁中国的232报告一共提到了中国202次,而提到加拿大只有24次。结果:中国却被征25%关税,加拿大在这轮制裁中被暂免。这是不是美国的双重标准,是不是拿国家安全当借口搞保护主义遏制中国贸易,似乎一目了然。

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征收钢铝关税将减少美国就业

搞保护主义是损人一千自损八百,这样的说法我们听过很多,它到底是什么意思?有没有事实依据?我们也来看看。

美国全球贸易伙伴咨询公司(Trade Partnership Worldwide)在钢铁关税公布后公布了一份报告。

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报告基于国际贸易产业链理论和历史数据模型预计,此轮特朗普对中国钢铝征收关税会在钢铁行业增加26346个就业,但对于汽车、建筑、交通运输和制造业这些需要购买钢铝来进行生产的下游产业来说,关税提高了钢铝的价格,成本增加将造成公司裁员,减少495136个工作机会,关税最终将造成468790个岗位的净流失。相当于每创造一个就业,损失18个就业。

报告还预测了每个州的工作机会变化情况,每个州都是净减少,从一千到几万不等。



What is the reason why the United States provoked a trade war? CCTV reporter Wang Guan tears off the mask of the United States with facts
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In the official narrative of the United States, the Trump administration’s trade war with China was aimed at protecting the “national security” of the United States and resolving the issue of “intellectual property rights”. It sounded “justified” but it actually stirred up and flickered many people. To what extent is the White House statement true? What does the facts and data tell us? What is the 301 and 232 investigation? Look at the observation of the CCTV reporter Wang Guan.

△Video: Mask that tore off the "national security" and "intellectual property" of the United States

Two rounds of offensive by the US "China Trade War" against China

The Trump administration’s trade war against China has two major offensives, which can be summed up as 232 and 301.

The former is Trump citing the 232 clause of the United States "Trade Extension Act of 1962," which imposes a 25% and 10% tariff on steel and aluminum products originating from China on the grounds of endangering national security. The key word is national security.

The latter is also the latest round of the 301 investigation. It is a punitive tariff charged by the White House on issues such as intellectual property rights in China under the "1974 Trade Law." The key word is intellectual property.

Take national security as protectionist

Look at the 232 survey first. The Trump administration said that the taxation of steel for China’s exports to the United States is because Chinese steel has endangered US national security.

However, according to three data from the China Customs, the American Iron and Steel Institute and the independent third party Lange Steel Research Center, China exported 5.4 million tons of steel to the United States in 2006. By 2017, many people think that with the growth of the overall trade between China and the United States, China’s exports should also rise accordingly. The result was only 1.18 million tons, a decrease of 78%. One of the reasons was that the United States repeatedly imposed sanctions on Chinese steel during the period. Today, China ranks 11th in the ranking of US steel importing countries.

Many people feel puzzled: Why are these steels exported to the United States, which can threaten the United States' huge, vast network of national security systems? The US financial media even raised objections.

The Bloomberg News article said that "national security is a good reason to engage in protectionism, but you should not use steel and aluminum to sanction."

We take the differential treatment between the United States and China and Canada to see if Washington is protecting national security or protecting its national security.

In the ranking of US imports of steel, Canada ranks first and China ranks 11th. However, the 232 report on sanctions in China mentioned a total of 202 times in China, and mentioned that only 24 times in Canada. Result: China was imposed a 25% tariff and Canada was temporarily exempted from this round of sanctions. Whether this is a double standard of the United States or whether it is clear at a glance if national security is used as an excuse to engage in protectionism to curb trade in China.

Imposing steel and aluminum tariffs will reduce U.S. employment

Protectionistism is damaging people's self-inflicted loss of 800, and we have heard so many arguments. What does it mean? Is there any factual basis? We also take a look.

Trade Partnership Worldwide announced a report after the publication of the steel tariff.

The report is based on the theory of the international trade industry chain and the historical data model. It is expected that this round of Trump's tariff on China's steel and aluminum will increase 26,346 jobs in the steel industry, but it will need to purchase steel and aluminum for automobiles, construction, transportation and manufacturing. In the downstream industries where production is carried out, tariffs increase the price of steel and aluminum. The increase in costs will result in layoffs, 495,136 job losses, and a net loss of 468,790 jobs. Equivalent to one job per job, lost 18 jobs.

The report also predicts changes in job opportunities in each state, with each state having a net decrease ranging from a thousand to tens of thousands.

Some people may ask, what exact historical data is based on this calculation? The company also gave the answer: In 2002, after the Bush administration increased the steel tariffs on China by 30%, it caused the unemployment of 200,000 workers in the downstream industries and the loss of wages of 4 billion U.S. dollars.

Using Intellectual Property to Contain the Strategy of Building a Powerful Country in China

Let's look at the recent 301 investigation. The US stated that because China infringes on US intellectual property rights, it will impose sanctions on the future ten Chinese exports to the United States. The list of specific sanctions is being released. What are the ten areas?

We have seen a new generation of information technology industry, high-end CNC machine tools and robots, aerospace equipment, marine engineering equipment and high-tech ships, advanced rail transportation equipment, energy-saving and new energy vehicles, power equipment, agricultural machinery and equipment, new materials, and biomedical products. And high-performance medical devices. These ten major areas are exactly in line with the ten major areas listed in the “Made in China 2025” plan for China to create a manufacturing power.

Therefore, the “New York Times” recently published the headline of the article in its financial section headline: “The split between China and the United States is actually not a tariff.” The article said that the real consideration of the United States is to curb the upgrading of China’s manufacturing industry and slow down the development of Chinese industries. 2025 strategy of this great country.

In this regard, CCTV reporters in Washington also have personal experience. In November last year, the 301 investigation was in full swing. CCTV reporter Wang Guan attended a seminar on the topic of the CSIS of the US Institute of International and Strategic Issues. At the meeting, many of the Chinese hawks who participated in or supported the 301 investigation were present, including the senior National Assembly Senator John Corning and the CCTV reporter Wang Guan sitting away from his three tables.

△ Photographed for the reporter's crown shot in November 2017 to participate in the CSIS China-US trade and economic forum.

Perhaps considering that at home, the audience is mostly within the circle of the people in Washington. Therefore, Corning’s speech is also unobstructed. He said the hawks of the United States: The next round of US economic sanctions against China is to slow down even Dragging down China's sophisticated technology to overtake the United States in a comprehensive manner to ensure that the United States is a world leader in advanced technology and a strategic leader.

Trump's cabinet members including Let Shizzle have similar positions in the dark. Therefore, many analysts believe that intellectual property is indeed a Sino-American issue. However, at a macro level, the United States uses intellectual property rights as an excuse to use tariff measures to suppress China's upgrading to high-caliber, manufacturing powerhouses as a deeper consideration behind the United States.

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可能有人问,这一测算是基于哪些确凿的历史数据?这个公司也给出了答案:2002年,小布什政府对中国增收30%钢铁关税后,造成了下游产业20万工人的失业,以及40亿美元的工资损失。

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借知识产权遏制中国制造强国战略

我们再来看最近的301调查,美方表示因为中国侵犯美国知识产权,因此对未来中国出口美国的十个行业进行制裁,具体的制裁清单正在陆续出炉,都有哪十个领域?

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我们看到有新一代信息技术产业、高档数控机床和机器人、航空航天装备、海洋工程装备及高技术船舶、先进轨道交通装备、节能与新能源汽车、电力装备、农机装备、新材料、生物医药及高性能医疗器械。这十大领域和中国打造制造强国的“中国制造2025”计划列出的十大领域完全吻合。

所以,《纽约时报》日前在其财经版头条发布的文章标题就是《分裂中美贸易的其实不是关税》,文章说美国真正考量是要遏制中国制造业升级,拖慢中国实业兴邦的中国制造2025这一强国战略。

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对此,央视在华盛顿的记者也有亲身体会。在去年11月,301调查正在如火如荼进行,央视记者王冠参加了美国国际与战略问题研究所CSIS有关这一话题的一场研讨会。会上,参与或支持301调查的很多对华鹰派都在场,包括国会资深参议员约翰-科宁,央视记者王冠就坐在离他三个桌子的距离。

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△图为记者王冠拍摄于2017年11月参加CSIS中美经贸论坛。

可能考虑到在自己的主场,在场听众大多是华盛顿圈内人士,所以科宁的讲话也是毫无遮掩,说出了美国鹰派的心声:美国下一轮对华经贸制裁目的就是要拖慢甚至拖垮中国高精尖科技全面赶超美国的进程,保证美国高新技术全球领先,以及战略领跑地位。

包括莱特希泽等特朗普内阁要员明里暗里也都有类似表态。所以很多分析认为,微观上看,知识产权的确是中美的一个议题。但宏观上讲,美国以知识产权为借口,借关税手段打压中国向高精尖制造业强国升级是美国背后的更深层考量。

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If American technologies are good the Qing emperor Quan Loong was hv embraced it long ago.

Angmoh cannot per properly with spare parts supplies and are bad in machine designs and material quality.

Tell them this. If their angmoh engineers could kill himself for cause of death and failures of their machine parts like the Japanese then they are par with Japs commitments they can hv our biz.

Go fuck off with yr bad lazy bum engineers. Go get drunks all day in your drink holes.
 

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Beijing is hiking up tariffs on more than 128 US imports, including fruit and pork, as part of a tit-for-tat response to US President Donald Trump’s $60 billion package of tariffs imposed against China.
The additional fares, which range from 15 to 25 percent, will take effect on Monday, the Chinese Finance Ministry said on their website. It added that the measure, aimed at “safeguarding China’s interests,” was in response to Washington’s package of tariffs targeting more than 100 types of Chinese goods, from clothing to electronics.

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The statement said China has suspended duty concessions on imported goods originating from the US, and has imposed a duty rate of 15 percent on 120 items of imports, such as fruits and products. The tariff rate for eight items of imported goods, such as pork and food products, is now 25 percent.

China’s current tax-free and tax-exemption policy “remains unchanged,” the ministry noted, adding that the move comes in compliance with multilateral trading mechanisms and rules of the World Trade Organization (WTO).

Announcing the package of tariffs on March 22, Donald Trump said it will help the US reduce trade imbalances with China and curb theft of American intellectual property. Earlier, his administration accused Beijing of making “state-led, market-distorting efforts to force, pressure, and steal US technologies and intellectual property."

On March 23, Beijing signaled it was ready to go toe-to-toe with Washington’s campaign against China, proposing new levies on 128 American imports. The news shook global markets, with fears of an imminent trade war between the world’s largest economies looming.

China’s Commerce Ministry also threatened to take legal action against the US through the WTO, and urged Washington to “pull back from the brink, make prudent decisions, and avoid dragging bilateral trade relations to a dangerous place.”

Fears of escalating tariffs made stock markets plunge, with a broad sell-off among investors at the time. The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 2.93 percent (723.43 points), it was the lowest closing value since February 8. The S&P 500 Index sank 2.52 percent (68.24 points) at the close of trading, marking its lowest level since February 9. In Asia, Japan's Nikkei tumbled more than 3 percent, to its lowest level since October 12.

Commenting on the Trump administration’s tariffs, WHO Director-General Roberto Azevedo condemned the move, saying that disrupting bilateral trade would “jeopardize the global economy at a time when economic recovery, though fragile, has been increasingly evident around the world,” as cited by the Financial Times.

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重磅!中国对美国128项进口商品加征关税
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(原标题:国务院关税税则委员会 对原产于美国的部分进口商品 中止关税减让义务的通知 )

经国务院批准,国务院关税税则委员会决定对原产于美国的部分进口商品中止关税减让义务,自2018年4月2日起实施。

2018年3月8日,美国总统特朗普签署公告,认定进口钢铁和铝产品威胁美国国家安全,决定于3月23日起,对进口钢铁和铝产品加征关税(即232措施)。232措施违反了世界贸易组织相关规则,不符合“安全例外”规定,实际上构成保障措施。该措施已于3月23日起实施,对我国利益造成严重损害。为维护我国利益,平衡因美国232措施给我国利益造成的损失,我自2018年4月2日起对原产于美国的7类128项进口商品中止关税减让义务,在现行适用关税税率基础上加征关税,对水果及制品等120项进口商品加征关税税率为15%,对猪肉及制品等8项进口商品加征关税税率为25%。现行保税、减免税政策不变。

我国倡导并支持多边贸易体制,对美中止关税减让义务是我国运用世界贸易组织规则,维护我国利益而采取的正当举措。

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中方对美方中止履行部分义务是中国作为世贸组织成员的正当权利。希望美方尽快撤销违反世贸组织规则的措施,使中美双方间有关产品的贸易回归到正常轨道。


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(Original title: Notice of the Customs Tariff Commission of the State Council on Cancellation of Tariff Concession Obligations for Certain Import Commodities Originating in the United States)

With the approval of the State Council, the Customs Tariff Commission of the State Council has decided to suspend duty concessions on certain imported goods originating in the United States and implemented it on April 2, 2018.

On March 8, 2018, US President Trump signed an announcement confirming that imported steel and aluminum products threatened US national security and decided to impose tariffs (ie 232 measures) on imported steel and aluminum products from March 23. The 232 measures violated the relevant rules of the World Trade Organization and did not comply with the “security exceptions” provision, which actually constituted safeguard measures. This measure was implemented on March 23 and caused serious damage to our country’s interests. In order to safeguard China’s interests and balance the losses caused by the U.S. 232 measures to China’s interests, I have suspended duties on seven categories of 128 imported goods originating in the United States from duty duties on April 2, 2018, based on the current applicable tariff rates. Tariffs have been imposed on the importation of tariffs on 120 items of imported goods such as fruits and products, and a tariff rate of 25% on 8 items such as pork and products. The current policy of tax-free and tax-exemption remains unchanged.

China's advocacy and support for the multilateral trading system and the suspension of tariff concessions to the United States are legitimate measures taken by China to use the rules of the World Trade Organization and safeguard its interests.

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China’s suspension of the performance of part of its obligations on the United States is China’s legitimate right as a member of the WTO. It is hoped that the United States will withdraw the measures that violate the rules of the WTO as soon as possible, so that the trade of related products between China and the United States will return to normal track.
 

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All trump has to do is introduce the same measures ah tiong land use on FDI. For example prevent ah tiong land electric cars from being sold in USA. Prevent WeChat etc from operating in USA just like Google and YouTube is banned in ah tiong land. And most important...US access to China financial markets. China has been playing dirty all along..it's time to fight fire with fire.
 

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Trump is barking up the wrong tree. The problem is ah tiong land does not play fair. So that is why the USA is economically disadvantaged. The worse thing is successive administration's has allowed China to cheat the system. It's time to force ah tiong land to open it's markets. Why China can ban Google, youtube , FB etc? And why foreign banks cannot operate in ah tiong land? Why imports into ah tiong land face soo much tariffs? USA should have tekan China 20 years ago n now they have created a monster.

You can still use other US sites like Yahoo! and Google/ Youtube/ FB with roaming. Chinese did not ban Google, Youtube or FB. They prevented the free use of these 3 sites because the Chinese knew they are collecting personal information and is a security risk. Especially fake news with Youtube and FB who chose not to authenticate users before they create an account.

Do you know what FB and Google tracks about you and who they sold those information to? President Obama once said before that these companies encourage divisibility and radicalization because once their algorithm learns that you are anti-China (for example), they will reinforce that concept by pushing all news and information about being anti-China.

Same discussion Singapore is having now. FB, twitter etc all they have to do is authenticate their users with some form of document proof to discourage/ prevent users from spreading false information. But of course, all they players knew that once they do this, they will lose 60-80% of their subscriber base and all those ad revenue.
 

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All trump has to do is introduce the same measures ah tiong land use on FDI. For example prevent ah tiong land electric cars from being sold in USA. Prevent WeChat etc from operating in USA just like Google and YouTube is banned in ah tiong land. And most important...US access to China financial markets. China has been playing dirty all along..it's time to fight fire with fire.

That will be perfect. You really need to understand China before you type nonsense. The Chinese government have been trying to prevent outflow (and recently, inflow) of currency for the longest time.
 
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That will be perfect. You really need to understand China before you type nonsense. The Chinese government have been trying to prevent outflow (and recently, inflow) of currency for the longest time.
So basically ah tiong land is manipulating it's financial n currency markets?
 

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You can still use other US sites like Yahoo! and Google/ Youtube/ FB with roaming. Chinese did not ban Google, Youtube or FB. They prevented the free use of these 3 sites because the Chinese knew they are collecting personal information and is a security risk. Especially fake news with Youtube and FB who chose not to authenticate users before they create an account.

Do you know what FB and Google tracks about you and who they sold those information to? President Obama once said before that these companies encourage divisibility and radicalization because once their algorithm learns that you are anti-China (for example), they will reinforce that concept by pushing all news and information about being anti-China.

Same discussion Singapore is having now. FB, twitter etc all they have to do is authenticate their users with some form of document proof to discourage/ prevent users from spreading false information. But of course, all they players knew that once they do this, they will lose 60-80% of their subscriber base and all those ad revenue.
I could not access YouTube, FB n Google with local SIM cards...so basically these sites are banned in ah tiong land..so ah tiongs never play fair...
 

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Dow drops 700 points as Amazon tumbles, trade war fears rise
by Matt Egan @MattEganCNN April 2, 2018: 2:08 PM ET
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Trade war fears and a presidential attack on Amazon are rocking Wall Street.

The Dow dropped more than 700 points and the Nasdaq plunged 3% on Monday. All three major indexes are now in the red for the year.

The sell-off on the first day of the second quarter came after President Trump once again attacked Amazon on Twitter. Amazon (AMZN), one of the biggest drivers of the 2017 market rally, tumbled 5%, wiping out more than $37 billion of its market value.

Trump once again accused Amazon of taking advantage of the US Postal Service, and he suggested that Amazon does not pay its fair share of tax.

In fact, Amazon pays the same lower rate that the post office charges other bulk shippers, and it collects sales tax in every state that charges it. Amazon does not collect sales tax on purchases made from third-party vendors.

Related: Trump isn't as pro-business as he claims

"You've got the president of the United States attacking a single company over what he considers to be unfair practices," said Ian Winer, head of equities at Wedbush Securities.

Amazon wasn't the only tech stock in trouble. Tesla (TSLA), Netflix (NFLX) and Cisco (CSCO) all dropped by at least 4%. Intel (INTC) plunged 8% on a Bloomberg News report that Apple plans to switch to its own chips. Almost every stock in the Nasdaq 100 lost ground.

The Nasdaq has plunged more than 10% from its all-time high on March 12.

"When investors see market leaders suddenly stumble, they become more cautious about the entire group," said Kate Warne, investment strategist at Edward Jones.

Related: Trump vs. Amazon: Let's set the record straight

Wall Street is also fretting about rising trade tensions, especially with China. Beijing responded to Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs on Monday by following through on its threat to impose tariffs on $3 billion of US imports. The tariffs apply to 128 products, ranging from pork and meat to steep pipes.

Trump plans to place additional tariffs on about $50 billion worth of Chinese goods — and Beijing has promised to respond.

John Toohey, head of equities at USAA, blamed the sell-off on concerns about the China tariffs. "Global trade could slow down, global supply chains could be impacted, and CEOs could be more cautious on capital spending," Toohey said.

NAFTA worries are also on the rise after Trump took aim at the trade deal between the United States, Canada and Mexico. Trump on Sunday linked NAFTA to his efforts to build a wall along the border with Mexico.

"They must stop the big drug and people flows, or I will stop their cash cow, NAFTA. NEED WALL!" Trump tweeted.

"It's a cause for concern. That mixing of issues is contributing to uncertainty," said Kristina Hooper, chief global market strategist at Invesco.

Related: Trump's attacks on Amazon are working

No matter the cause, signs of fear abounded. The VIX (VIX) volatility index jumped more than 15%. CNNMoney's Fear & Greed Index of market sentiment dropped further into "extreme fear." Crude oil plunged about 3%. Gold, which tends to do well when investors are worried, climbed more than 1%.

"None of it makes a lot of sense," said Michael Block, chief strategist at Rhino Trading Partners. "I don't know what we learned that was new. Chinese tariffs are not surprising."

After spiking last year, the stock market hit extreme turbulence during the first three months of the year as investors worried about tariffs, inflation and tech stocks. The Dow snapped its longest quarterly winning streak in 20 years.

Stocks may be volatile, but the backdrop looks bright. Global economic growth is expected to accelerate and corporate profits are likely to surge, thanks in part to Trump's corporate tax cuts.

"It's unlikely to be the end of the bull market," Warne said. "The underlying fundamentals remain positive."
 

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USA is an idiot led by a Dotard - an egoistic fool without any touch of reality. The reality of USA is a very sick and weak and rotting corpse. It dreams MAGA and tries in vain to fight the Bigger, Richer, Stronger, Healthier, Resolved, and Better Allied and Supported China.

What has US got to fight China? Trade financed by HUGE DEBTS borrowing from China? Use that can fight China? What fucking Cracks or Cocaine or Narcotics filled the Dotard's brains?

The Dotard from Wall Street background thinks he smart in trades? Chinese had thousands of years of profound trade background since Silk Road & Before!

USA against China = egg smashing against rocks. 鸡蛋碰石头!
 

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China again issued warning to Dotard: Yet another hard hit will strike USA, if Dotard Asked For It again!

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中国对美商品加征关税 若美一意孤行中方将再还击
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  新华社北京4月2日电 题:中国对美商品加征关税 若美一意孤行中方将再还击

  新华社记者于佳欣、有之炘

  4月2日,中方发布针对美国232措施的产品征税清单,对原产于美国的7类128项进口商品中止关税减让义务。分析人士指出,中方此举可谓是先礼后兵合理反击,如果美国继续一意孤行,中方将再还击。

  美严重侵犯中方利益,并有很大外溢效应

  此次中方发布的加征关税清单中,对水果及制品等120项进口商品加征关税税率为15%,对猪肉及制品等8项进口商品加征关税税率为25%。按照2017年统计,涉及美国对华约30亿美元的出口。

  4月2日生效的征税行动主要针对美国3月初提出的232措施,即美国对进口钢铁和铝产品分别征收25%和10%的关税。

  虽然232措施并非针对单一国家,但是美国此后不断通过“豁免”方式,换取其他国家在贸易谈判中对美方提出的条件。

  “虽然中国不是美国最大的钢铁出口国,但美国的措施相当于动员其他国家一起压制中国,让中国成为众矢之的,而且违反了WTO的非歧视原则,严重侵犯了中方利益。”商务部研究院国际市场研究所副所长白明说。

  中国国际贸易学会中美欧经济战略研究中心共同主席李永表示,美国的做法背后有着“老辣”的设计。对多国征税看似公平,但通过“豁免”方式来操纵,结盟的同时实现了只针对中国的目的。更危险的是,一旦形成结盟,可能会在更多贸易议题上对中国发难,营造围堵氛围。

  先礼后兵合理反击,中方做法符合WTO规则

  对于美国单边主义的恶劣行径,中方并未采取同样的单边报复行动,而是严格遵守世贸组织的相关程序,可谓先礼后兵。

  3月26日,中方根据《保障措施协定》在世贸组织向美方提出贸易补偿磋商请求,美方拒绝答复。鉴于双方没有达成一致的可能,3月29日,中方向世贸组织通报了中止减让清单,决定对自美进口部分产品加征关税。

  “中国采取30亿美元对美反制措施,以平衡美方232措施对中方造成的利益损失,是对自身合法权益的正当维护,是十分克制和理性的。”白明说。

  据悉,在商务部发布中止减让产品清单并征求公众意见期间,大量民众通过电话、电子邮件等方式,对措施及产品清单表示支持,赞成政府采取措施维护国家和产业利益,部分民众还建议增加措施力度。

  财政部关税司有关负责人强调,我国倡导并支持多边贸易体制,对美中止关税减让义务是我国运用世贸组织规则,维护我国利益而采取的正当措施。

  美资在华企业也表达了对支持开放公平市场的立场。GE集团表示,支持开放市场以及通过国际贸易体系来解决贸易争端。开放和公平的竞争是提升价值、增强经济竞争力、提升创新力的最佳途径。

  30亿美元力度不够大?若美一意孤行中方将再还击

  有观点认为,中国对美约30亿美元商品的征税,相比美方对华301调查中涉及的600亿美元商品的征税,力度不够大。其实,30亿美元只是针对美国采取的232措施。对于美国的301调查,中国还未真正亮剑。

  “232措施只是美国贸易保护主义连环拳中的一招,中国进行了有理有利有据有节的反击。此事也表明了中国的态度,如果美国继续一意孤行,我们将再还击,让美国感到疼痛。”李永说。

  业内人士表示,如果贸易摩擦继续下去,势必对两国甚至更多国家带来伤害,将造成多输的局面,不会有任何一方是赢家。

  美方日前将对华征税产品建议清单公示天数从30天延长到60天,并且表示,美中两国政府有望通过磋商避免对中国商品加征关税。

  对于磋商谈判的立场,中方一直未变。商务部新闻发言人高峰表示,中方谈判磋商的大门始终是敞开的,但是,谈判是有原则的。中方不会接受在单方胁迫下展开任何的磋商。

  他表示,希望美方尽快撤销违反世贸组织规则的措施,使中美双方间有关产品的贸易回归到正常轨道。双方应通过对话协商解决彼此关切,实现共同发展,避免后续行动对中美合作大局造成更大损害。




China imposes tariffs on US goods If the United States is willing to go it again, China will fight back
2018-04-02 20:05 Source: Xinhuanet

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Xinhua News Agency, Beijing, April 2nd issue: China imposes tariffs on US goods If the United States is willing to go it alone, China will fight back

Xinhua News Agency reporter Yu Jiaxin

On April 2, the Chinese government issued a taxation list for products subject to U.S. 232 measures, and suspended tariff reduction obligations on seven categories of 128 imported products originating in the United States. Analysts pointed out that China’s move can be said to be a reasonable counterattack after the first ceremony. If the United States continues to stick to it, China will fight back.

The United States has seriously violated China’s interests and has a significant spillover effect.

In the list of levied tariffs issued by the Chinese government, tariff rates on 120 items of imported goods such as fruits and products are subject to a tariff rate of 15%, and tariff rates on 8 imported products including pork and products are subject to a tariff rate of 25%. According to the 2017 statistics, it involves about US$3 billion in U.S. exports to China.

The taxation action that took effect on April 2 was mainly aimed at the 232 measures proposed by the United States in early March, that is, the United States imposed tariffs of 25% and 10% on imported steel and aluminum products respectively.

Although the 232 measure is not directed against a single country, the United States has since continued to pass "exemption" in exchange for conditions that other countries have proposed to the United States in trade negotiations.

“Although China is not the largest steel exporter in the United States, the U.S. measures are equivalent to mobilizing other countries to suppress China and make China a target of public criticism. It also violates the WTO non-discrimination principle and seriously violates China’s interests.” MOFCOM International Bai Ming, deputy director of the Institute of Market Research, said.

Li Yong, co-chair of the China-U.S.-European Economic Strategic Research Center of the China Institute of International Trade, said that behind the U.S. approach, there is a "spicy" design. Taxes on many countries appear to be fair, but they have been manipulated through “exemptions” and the alliance has achieved the aim of targeting only China. What is even more dangerous is that once a coalition is formed, it may cause difficulties to China on more trade issues and create an atmosphere of containment.

After the first ceremony, the soldiers responded with reasonable countermeasures. The Chinese practice is in line with WTO rules.

Regarding the bad behavior of U.S. unilateralism, the Chinese side did not take the same unilateral retaliatory action. Instead, it strictly followed the relevant procedures of the WTO.

On March 26, the Chinese side submitted a trade compensation consultation request to the United States in accordance with the "Agreement on Safeguards", and the United States refused to reply. In view of the lack of agreement between the two sides, on March 29, China notified the WTO of the suspension of concession lists and decided to impose tariffs on certain products imported from the United States.

“China’s US$3 billion in countermeasures against the United States to balance the benefits of the US’s 232 measures on China’s losses is a legitimate safeguard of its own legitimate rights and interests, and it is very restrained and rational,” said Bai Ming.

It is reported that during the period when the Ministry of Commerce announced the suspension of the list of concession products and solicited public opinions, a large number of people expressed their support for measures and product lists by telephone, e-mail, etc., and agreed that the government should take measures to safeguard the interests of the state and the industry. Some people also suggested increasing the number of people. Measures.

The relevant person in charge of the Customs Department of the Ministry of Finance stressed that China's advocacy and support for the multilateral trading system and the suspension of tariff concessions to the United States are legitimate measures taken by China to use WTO rules to safeguard China’s interests.

U.S.-funded enterprises in China have also expressed their position on supporting an open and fair market. The GE Group stated that it supports open markets and the settlement of trade disputes through the international trading system. Open and fair competition is the best way to increase value, enhance economic competitiveness and enhance innovation.

3 billion US dollars is not enough strength? If the United States is willing to go it alone, China will fight back

Some people think that China’s taxation of goods worth about US$3 billion in the United States is not as effective as taxation on the US$60 billion in goods covered by the US’s 301 investigation. In fact, 3 billion U.S. dollars are only aimed at the 232 measures taken by the United States. For the 301 investigation in the United States, China has not really shined its sword.

"The 232 measure is just a trick in the chain of protectionist trade protectionism in the United States. China has made a rational and well-founded counterattack. This incident also shows China's attitude. If the United States continues to act arbitrarily, we will fight back and cause the United States to feel pain." Li Yong said.

Industry insiders said that if trade frictions continue, it will inevitably bring harm to the two countries or even more countries. It will result in a situation of losing more and more. No one will win.

The U.S. side recently extended the number of publicity days for China's taxable product list from 30 days to 60 days, and stated that the U.S. and China governments are expected to avoid tariff increases on Chinese goods through consultations.

Regarding the position of negotiation and negotiation, China has not changed. The spokesman of the Ministry of Commerce said at the summit that the door for China’s negotiation and consultation has always been open, but negotiations are principled. China will not accept any consultation under unilateral coercion.

He expressed the hope that the United States will withdraw the measures that violate the rules of the WTO as soon as possible, so that the trade of related products between China and the United States will return to normal track. The two sides should resolve their concerns through dialogue and negotiation, achieve common development, and avoid subsequent actions that will cause greater damage to the overall Sino-U.S. cooperation.
 

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Do barter trade... exchange Chinese "chickens" for soybeans, swine & other things ...


The truth is BEST to KILL TRADES GLOBALLY. Because Trade is the process of Mass Extinction Suicide, manipulating Global Resources towards Global Total Extinction and Not Only Man's Total Extinction after.

Trade based on $$$Money$$$ is a system Allowing the weak powerless people to manipulate resources without Lethal Fighting Strength. This is exactly why money made these useless powerless people feel like god and universally powerful, which they should not be allowed. They actually should not be allowed to survive or exist in most cases, and at the very least should be very deprived from enjoying global resources. The Only Natural and Correct means to manipulate and control or DECIDE on Global Resources is Lethal Fighting Strength ONLY. This correct way will properly and sufficiently Eliminate the unfit and Excess human population levels, to a reasonable and lasting balance with the now very limited Global Resources, hence $$$Money$$$ need to be destroyed / banned / rendered useless Globally. Trade KILLED, and prevented by Lethal Fighting Strength.

This is about the ONLY WAY man can avert from Global Total Extinction.

All the other false measures like recycling is at the very most just buying a limited amount of time and slightly delaying the Global Total Extinction. Recycling process itself consumes energies and materials, plus (still) generates wastes in the process, and CAN NEVER COPE with growing demands. If population level is not drastically and rapidly reduced, and no man is deprived, there is Absolutely No Way to Avert Global Total Extinction.
 
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China vows retaliation of ‘same proportion’ in response to any new US tariffs
Published time: 3 Apr, 2018 04:50Edited time: 3 Apr, 2018 05:44
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Beijing will not hesitate to take further countermeasures in case Washington decides to impose a new round of tariff hikes against Chinese goods, with China’s ambassador to the US promising a swift and “proportional” response.
China's Ambassador to the United States Cui Tiankai said that the new fares on 128 US goods that took effect on Monday were a direct and measured response only to the US increase of steel and aluminum tariffs – but not the planned hike of duties on other Chinese imports ordered by President Donald Trump.

“We will certainly take countermeasures of the same proportion and the same scale, same intensity,” Cui Tiankai said Tuesday according to China Global Television Network.

While Beijing had previously signaled that it was ready to go toe-to-toe with Washington’s trade war, Tiankai clearly stated that the latest measures are just the beginning. He said China has yet to decide on its countermeasures against a package of tariffs targeting more than 100 types of Chinese goods, ranging from clothing to electronics – if and when they are officially introduced.

On March 22, while announcing the suite of tariffs, which potentially target some $60-billion worth of Chinese exports, Donald Trump said it would help the US to reduce trade imbalances with China and curb the alleged theft of American intellectual property. His administration accused Beijing of making “state-led, market-distorting efforts to force, pressure, and steal US technologies and intellectual property.” Washington is expected to unveil the list of targeted Chinese imports this week.

Rejecting the accusations of mass intellectual property theft, the envoy emphasized that China has been steadily strengthening its efforts and legal system, and is always ready to “look at the specific cases if there’s any violation of intellectual property rights… no matter by whoever.”

“The real question is how we can make all the technology benefit as many people as possible and all the economies, all the people, will benefit from such programs and there would be a better life for everybody,” Cui Tiankai added. “It’s not a matter of who will get supremacy, sort of.”

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