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Chinese civilization will end in 2030 if this is true

sukhoi-30

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Yes, I sortta agrees that NO one ideology, be it political , economic or religious can truely represents the whole of China and the Chinese people despite the fantasy from the West that their Anglo saxon Christian political, economic and religious will be accepted widely in China .

The psychological, cultural makeup of the country and the people are not geared towards a unified single entity perhaps only by nominal Confucianism ( already mixed with sinicised Buddhism and Taoism), and maybe a very subtle acceptance of a unified nation but ONLY on their own individual terms. During the Taiping rebellion, the so called Christianity these people professed were a motley mixed of Christianity, Confucianism and even Taoism with posessions,trance and ceremonies coupled with yellow dragon gowns and seals. The western missionaries initially excited by these "Christian developments" were startled, shocked and disappointed to see long haired men participating in very ungodly "Christian" ceremonies and believing in a theology that bear similarities to spiritual Taoism than Christianity. There were chinese titles of heavenly father, brother and Hong Xiuquan himself and several Tian Wangs or heavenly kings, a reminiscine of the Chinese Buddhist religion.

For the chinese and the Qing officials, the Taipings were nothing more than rampaging rebels adopting spiritual stuffs to attract uneducated peasents to assist them in toppling the government like the many during past dynasties, the Yellow Turbans, the various buddhist sects eg White Lotus rebels and Chinese Muslims rebels in the southwest. For the Chinese, the fear of Christianity lies not really in the fact that they accept something so "un-chinese religiously and culturally" but more on the possible fact that a institutionalised foreign religion that is tightly controlled,religiously( n therefore mentally able to sway peoples beliefs of the supernatural) with huge congregation that becomes distinct with the larger community and leaders that has become so powerful..eg FaLungGong. Naturally this will come to the attention of the Chinese govts and like FLG, the Taipings was crushed, the leaders killed and so like were many of the religious inspired rebellions in Chinese history. The Chinese do not fear and rubbished e so call spiritual retribution or karma in crushing spiritual and religious movts as Confucianism all along taught morality is secular.

I also feel that the Chinese, (except maybe for the Chinese Muslims) were not naturally inclined towards religions in the context of the larger political and nationality basis. Many turn to religion for short term secular gains etc to earn a living, to escape poverty, to get rich and less of accepting religion wholeheartedly as a duty that they can die for their faith. So the Chinese is very pragmatic and remain so till today. For centuries, the Chinese govt understands the traditional Chinese Buddhists and Taoists treated their faiths as something inherently cultural and private and will not use these two traditional religions to topple governments or sway public opinions unless someone with ulterior motive hijack these two faiths which the Chinese govt will distinguished these as cults and sects, not accepted chinese traditional n cultural state-sanctioned religions in that sense...eg the white lotus sect is treated as a xie jiao or deviationist faith, strictly un-Buddhist.

The Chinese fully understand the strong nature of monotheistic religions like Christianity and Islam and therefore the Communist party tightly control Christianity in the form of state control Self Patriotic Protestant and catholic churches and does not allow foreign Christian missionaries influence such as Vatican eg. So it will disallow religion with a "strong theological influence, a massive centralised congregation and powerful charismatic religious leaders to become too powerful enough to threaten the state and its policies. Unfortunately, some of the churches in China fall into that red line.

So when the Taipings were crushed, Christianity also declined rapidly and many return back to their traditional faiths. The Chinese will not want to commit suicide for religious faiths as religions is something they want to gain secular benefits. When Mao crushed religion during the Cultural revolution, many chinese went along. But when this mayhen ended, they retrieve their statues and rebuild their temples and everything went back to the same. Other prefer to remain atheists. Christianity comes into China like many in East Asian societies like Skorea and Spore through intensed and determined proselytisation and their preferred visibility often invite attention from the western media and chinese govt alike. Unlike the Taoists or Buddhists who treat religions less strictly and more cultural ( even accepting Mao as a Buddhist deity and doesn't care much that the "atheist" Communist party as their govt and therefore not a threat to the CCP), the Churches are more confrontational to voice their disagreements and opposition to the Chinese govts esp when their faiths are seen as being threatened or comes into conflict with the chinese govt national policies. So in a see saw way, the chinese state sees them as potentially subversive and they see the state as offensive to their faith...leading to many confrontations ( The Chinese Govt went ahead to tear down the Sanjiang Church in Wenzhou after the congregation staged massive protests). Many ordinary chinese would also disagreed with the extreme actions of religious proselytisation or religious fervour as culturally the Chinese are naturally tolerant of all faiths and which the Chinese govts would use it to their favour and which explain why the Chinese govt policies on religion ep Christianity generally gain less interest among the chinese people compared to tangible ones like economic and social policies.

As such I am not sure if as the Professor Yang predicted will China become the world largest Christian nation. The psyche of the Chinese might made this quite impossible and even if the numbers are there , the population of other Chinese professing other faiths esp their own traditional ones may be staggering compared to the Christians but less visible, less intrusive, less distinct much like the silent majority. Western journalists loves to make a story out of the Christian churches and less on the visible traditional chinese ones many will see when they visited temples and festivals along the streets in China today for reasons quite obvious.
 
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The Chinese civilization has been around for 5,000 years. It has survived natural disasters, wars, mass genocides, all manner of socio-political ideologies and experimentation, religions ranging from animism to Buddhism to Taoism to Confucianism (if you can call it religion) to Judaism to Christianity to Islam and all kinds of cults, and it still remains the world's oldest surviving civilization.

In the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust only cockroaches and the Chinese would still be around. Don't bet against that.

Buddhism, Islam and Christianity are considered foreign imported religions. Buddhism proved it is religion able to assimilate well with any culture including the ang moh culture recently as can be seen from growing number of ang moh adopting the buddhism faith while retaining their customs.

Islam and christianity are brutal culture and idolatry destroyers. But islam has worked out differently in china from elsewhere. Islam in china is more accomadative to local chinese religious customs and practices. Admiral Cheng Ho was a muslim eunuch during the ming dynasty. Every ming naval expedition that he commanded, he had no problem with participating in the ritual (holding incense) to appease Ma zhu (the chinese goddess of the sea).
**In Islam and Christianity, it could mean death to worship another God.
 
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king_of_abalone

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Buddhism, Islam and Christianity are considered foreign imported religions. Buddhism proved it is religion able to assimilate well with any culture including the ang moh culture recently as can be seen from growing number of ang moh adopting the buddhism faith while retaining their customs.

Islam and christianity are brutal culture and idolatry destroyers. But islam has worked out differently in china from elsewhere. Islam in china is more accomadative to local chinese religious customs and practices. Admiral Cheng Ho was a muslim eunuch during the ming dynasty. Every ming naval expedition that he commanded, he had no problem with participating in the ritual (holding incense) to appease Ma zhu (the chinese goddess of the sea).
**In Islam and Christianity, it could mean death to worship another God.

The Turks, the Tartars, the Khitans, and the Mongol emperors and Khans who conquered Eurasia all converted to Islam. Such is the attractiveness of Islam. Can you imagine the Mongols accepting Christianity? Turn the other cheek and all that? Hahaha I sure can't!
 

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Buddhism, Islam and Christianity are considered foreign imported religions. Buddhism proved it is religion able to assimilate well with any culture including the ang moh culture recently as can be seen from growing number of ang moh adopting the buddhism faith while retaining their customs.

Islam and christianity are brutal culture and idolatry destroyers. But islam has worked out differently in china from elsewhere. Islam in china is more accomadative to local chinese religious customs and practices. Admiral Cheng Ho was a muslim eunuch during the ming dynasty. Every ming naval expedition that he commanded, he had no problem with participating in the ritual (holding incense) to appease Ma zhu (the chinese goddess of the sea).
**In Islam and Christianity, it could mean death to worship another God.

Yea, Islam and, especially, christianty are both religions that convert by the sword.

The teachings of the abrahamic religions are really in contrary to what we see in science and it appears that if anyone chose to believe in science, in which thoeries have been unbiasly tested based on concrete evidence, over their out of this world "fairy tale story" derived from sources which can never be verified for their authenticity in their whatever koran, torah or bible that person is a sinner and condemned to eternal hell....... Seriously man, what kind of a whacko religion are these? They are more of a brainwashing cult than solid good religion, imo.

Notice how those christians and muslims keep making themselves look like god fearing and saint like obedient people, but when tempted by the 7 deadly sins they will not hesitate to throw their beliefs out the window and thoroughly indulge themselves lol
Seen too many of such hypocritical pricks in my life man haha. They are pathetic
 
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gongkia

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The Chinese civilization has been around for quite a long time.

Short of a nuclear holocaust, I doubt it'll ever end.

What may end though, is the Chinese Communist Party's rule. If that happens, China will break up into smaller pieces just like post-Soviet Russia.

Paiseh, there is different between end of the chinese people and end of chinese civilizstion and culture.
 

Sideswipe

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A survey published in 2010 reported 33 million Christians, of which 30 million are Protestants and 3 million Catholics.

Christianity won't gain much ground in China. they would stick with Buddhism.
 

gongkia

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The Turks, the Tartars, the Khitans, and the Mongol emperors and Khans who conquered Eurasia all converted to Islam. Such is the attractiveness of Islam. Can you imagine the Mongols accepting Christianity? Turn the other cheek and all that? Hahaha I sure can't!

Name one muslim mongol emperor please?

Another mudlim too eager for Islam-glorification and dying for acceptance of Islam.
 

rodent2005

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Islam in china is more accomadative to local chinese religious customs and practices. Admiral Cheng Ho was a muslim eunuch during the ming dynasty. Every ming naval expedition that he commanded, he had no problem with participating in the ritual (holding incense) to appease Ma zhu (the chinese goddess of the sea).

By these two sentences, one can detect your supremacist undertone. Islam was a minority religion, of course they must be accommodative. Looks like Cheng Ho understood his taqiyya well.
 

gongkia

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At best, you are clueless and don't know what you are talking about.

At surface level , you don't even know the history of what you are defending and shooting off with misconstrued views and facts. I suggest you do some real read up of history and the raw bible.
 

tanwahtiu

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Islam were from Judea tribe found by the Arab people. The new word for God is Allah if the OT is to continue beyond Jesus time, the Prophet and a God messenger.

God comes in 6 names in OT, simply to depict time of the story of God

1. Yehweh
2. Elijah
3. Yehovah
4. Emanuel
5. Lord of Host
6. (leave you to find out)
7. Allah (if OT continue beyond AD200)

Christians were Roman fake of Judaism. How can a fake survive? Christians will not survive in the 21st century and beyond.





Why Christian and not Muslim?!?!

Between Christianity and Islam, I think Islam fits the Chinese character better!
 
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