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China's advisor to State Council: Predict Putin's defeat is inevitable in all 4 scenario outcomes; Urge China to cut ties with Russia asap

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Hu Wei is the vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center of the Counselor’s Office of the State Council, the chairman of Shanghai Public Policy Research Association, the chairman of the Academic Committee of the Chahar Institute, a professor, and a doctoral supervisor.

国际政治的基本法则是’没有永恒的朋友,也没有永恒的敌人,只有永恒的利益’。
III. China’s Strategic Choice

1. China cannot be tied to Putin and needs to be cut off as soon as possible. In the sense that an escalation of conflict between Russia and the West helps divert U.S. attention from China, China should rejoice with and even support Putin, but only if Russia does not fall. Being in the same boat with Putin will impact China should he lose power. Unless Putin can secure victory with China’s backing, a prospect which looks bleak at the moment, China does not have the clout to back Russia. The law of international politics says that there are “no eternal allies nor perpetual enemies,” but “our interests are eternal and perpetual.” Under current international circumstances, China can only proceed by safeguarding its own best interests, choosing the lesser of two evils, and unloading the burden of Russia as soon as possible. At present, it is estimated that there is still a window period of one or two weeks before China loses its wiggle room. China must act decisively.

I. Predicting the Future of the Russo-Ukrainian War

败局1. Vladimir Putin may be unable to achieve his expected goals, which puts Russia in a tight spot. The purpose of Putin’s attack was to completely solve the Ukrainian problem and divert attention from Russia’s domestic crisis by defeating Ukraine with a blitzkrieg, replacing its leadership, and cultivating a pro-Russian government. However, the blitzkrieg failed, and Russia is unable to support a protracted war and its associated high costs. Launching a nuclear war would put Russia on the opposite side of the whole world and is therefore unwinnable. The situations both at home and abroad are also increasingly unfavorable. Even if the Russian army were to occupy Ukraine’s capital Kyiv and set up a puppet government at a high cost, this would not mean final victory. At this point, Putin’s best option is to end the war decently through peace talks, which requires Ukraine to make substantial concessions. However, what is not attainable on the battlefield is also difficult to obtain at the negotiating table. In any case, this military action constitutes an irreversible mistake.

败局2. The conflict may escalate further, and the West’s eventual involvement in the war cannot be ruled out. While the escalation of the war would be costly, there is a high probability that Putin will not give up easily given his character and power. The Russo-Ukrainian war may escalate beyond the scope and region of Ukraine, and may even include the possibility of a nuclear strike. Once this happens, the U.S. and Europe cannot stay aloof from the conflict, thus triggering a world war or even a nuclear war. The result would be a catastrophe for humanity and a showdown between the United States and Russia. This final confrontation, given that Russia’s military power is no match for NATO’s, would be even worse for Putin.

败局3 Even if Russia manages to seize Ukraine in a desperate gamble, it is still a political hot potato. Russia would thereafter carry a heavy burden and become overwhelmed. Under such circumstances, no matter whether Volodymyr Zelensky is alive or not, Ukraine will most likely set up a government-in-exile to confront Russia in the long term. Russia will be subject both to Western sanctions and rebellion within the territory of Ukraine. The battle lines will be drawn very long. The domestic economy will be unsustainable and will eventually be dragged down. This period will not exceed a few years.

败局4. The political situation in Russia may change or be disintegrated at the hands of the West. After Putin’s blitzkrieg failed, the hope of Russia’s victory is slim and Western sanctions have reached an unprecedented degree. As people’s livelihoods are severely affected and as anti-war and anti-Putin forces gather, the possibility of a political mutiny in Russia cannot be ruled out. With Russia’s economy on the verge of collapse, it would be difficult for Putin to prop up the perilous situation even without the loss of the Russo-Ukrainian war. If Putin were to be ousted from power due to civil strife, coup d’état, or another reason, Russia would be even less likely to confront the West. It would surely succumb to the West, or even be further dismembered, and Russia’s status as a great power would come to an end.


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Analysis of the Impact of Russo-Ukrainian war On International Landscape

1. The United States would regain leadership in the Western world, and the West would become more united. At present, public opinion believes that the Ukrainian war signifies a complete collapse of U.S. hegemony, but the war would in fact bring France and Germany, both of which wanted to break away from the U.S., back into the NATO defense framework, destroying Europe’s dream to achieve independent diplomacy and self-defense. Germany would greatly increase its military budget; Switzerland, Sweden, and other countries would abandon their neutrality. With Nord Stream 2 put on hold indefinitely, Europe’s reliance on US natural gas will inevitably increase. The US and Europe would form a closer community of shared future, and American leadership in the Western world will rebound.

2. The “Iron Curtain” would fall again not only from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea, but also to the final confrontation between the Western-dominated camp and its competitors. The West will draw the line between democracies and authoritarian states, defining the divide with Russia as a struggle between democracy and dictatorship. The new Iron Curtain will no longer be drawn between the two camps of socialism and capitalism, nor will it be confined to the Cold War. It will be a life-and-death battle between those for and against Western democracy. The unity of the Western world under the Iron Curtain will have a siphon effect on other countries: the U.S. Indo-Pacific strategy will be consolidated, and other countries like Japan will stick even closer to the U.S., which will form an unprecedentedly broad democratic united front.

3. The power of the West will grow significantly, NATO will continue to expand, and U.S. influence in the non-Western world will increase. After the Russo-Ukrainian War, no matter how Russia achieves its political transformation, it will greatly weaken the anti-Western forces in the world. The scene after the 1991 Soviet and Eastern upheavals may repeat itself: theories on “the end of ideology” may reappear, the resurgence of the third wave of democratization will lose momentum, and more third world countries will embrace the West. The West will possess more “hegemony” both in terms of military power and in terms of values and institutions, its hard power and soft power will reach new heights.

4. China will become more isolated under the established framework. For the above reasons, if China does not take proactive measures to respond, it will encounter further containment from the US and the West. Once Putin falls, the U.S. will no longer face two strategic competitors but only have to lock China in strategic containment. Europe will further cut itself off from China; Japan will become the anti-China vanguard; South Korea will further fall to the U.S.; Taiwan will join the anti-China chorus, and the rest of the world will have to choose sides under herd mentality. China will not only be militarily encircled by the U.S., NATO, the QUAD, and AUKUS, but also be challenged by Western values and systems.

III. China’s Strategic Choice

1. China cannot be tied to Putin and needs to be cut off as soon as possible. In the sense that an escalation of conflict between Russia and the West helps divert U.S. attention from China, China should rejoice with and even support Putin, but only if Russia does not fall. Being in the same boat with Putin will impact China should he lose power. Unless Putin can secure victory with China’s backing, a prospect which looks bleak at the moment, China does not have the clout to back Russia. The law of international politics says that there are “no eternal allies nor perpetual enemies,” but “our interests are eternal and perpetual.” Under current international circumstances, China can only proceed by safeguarding its own best interests, choosing the lesser of two evils, and unloading the burden of Russia as soon as possible. At present, it is estimated that there is still a window period of one or two weeks before China loses its wiggle room. China must act decisively.

2. China should avoid playing both sides in the same boat, give up being neutral, and choose the mainstream position in the world. At present, China has tried not to offend either side and walked a middle ground in its international statements and choices, including abstaining from the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly votes. However, this position does not meet Russia’s needs, and it has infuriated Ukraine and its supporters as well as sympathizers, putting China on the wrong side of much of the world. In some cases, apparent neutrality is a sensible choice, but it does not apply to this war, where China has nothing to gain. Given that China has always advocated respect for national sovereignty and territorial integrity, it can avoid further isolation only by standing with the majority of the countries in the world. This position is also conducive to the settlement of the Taiwan issue.

3. China should achieve the greatest possible strategic breakthrough and not be further isolated by the West. Cutting off from Putin and giving up neutrality will help build China’s international image and ease its relations with the U.S. and the West. Though difficult and requiring great wisdom, it is the best option for the future. The view that a geopolitical tussle in Europe triggered by the war in Ukraine will significantly delay the U.S. strategic shift from Europe to the Indo-Pacific region cannot be treated with excessive optimism. There are already voices in the U.S. that Europe is important, but China is more so, and the primary goal of the U.S. is to contain China from becoming the dominant power in the Indo-Pacific region. Under such circumstances, China’s top priority is to make appropriate strategic adjustments accordingly, to change the hostile American attitudes towards China, and to save itself from isolation. The bottom line is to prevent the U.S. and the West from imposing joint sanctions on China.

4. China should prevent the outbreak of world wars and nuclear wars and make irreplaceable contributions to world peace. As Putin has explicitly requested Russia’s strategic deterrent forces to enter a state of special combat readiness, the Russo-Ukrainian war may spiral out of control. A just cause attracts much support; an unjust one finds little. If Russia instigates a world war or even a nuclear war, it will surely risk the world’s turmoil. To demonstrate China’s role as a responsible major power, China not only cannot stand with Putin, but also should take concrete actions to prevent Putin’s possible adventures. China is the only country in the world with this capability, and it must give full play to this unique advantage. Putin’s departure from China’s support will most likely end the war, or at least not dare to escalate the war. As a result, China will surely win widespread international praise for maintaining world peace, which may help China prevent isolation but also find an opportunity to improve its relations with the United States and the West.

https://uscnpm.org/2022/03/12/hu-wei-russia-ukraine-war-china-choice/
 

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Hu Wei is the vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center of the Counselor’s Office of the State Council, the chairman of Shanghai Public Policy Research Association, the chairman of the Academic Committee of the Chahar Institute, a professor, and a doctoral supervisor.

国际政治的基本法则是’没有永恒的朋友,也没有永恒的敌人,只有永恒的利益’。
III. China’s Strategic Choice

1. China cannot be tied to Putin and needs to be cut off as soon as possible. In the sense that an escalation of conflict between Russia and the West helps divert U.S. attention from China, China should rejoice with and even support Putin, but only if Russia does not fall. Being in the same boat with Putin will impact China should he lose power. Unless Putin can secure victory with China’s backing, a prospect which looks bleak at the moment, China does not have the clout to back Russia. The law of international politics says that there are “no eternal allies nor perpetual enemies,” but “our interests are eternal and perpetual.” Under current international circumstances, China can only proceed by safeguarding its own best interests, choosing the lesser of two evils, and unloading the burden of Russia as soon as possible. At present, it is estimated that there is still a window period of one or two weeks before China loses its wiggle room. China must act decisively.

I. Predicting the Future of the Russo-Ukrainian War

败局1. Vladimir Putin may be unable to achieve his expected goals, which puts Russia in a tight spot. The purpose of Putin’s attack was to completely solve the Ukrainian problem and divert attention from Russia’s domestic crisis by defeating Ukraine with a blitzkrieg, replacing its leadership, and cultivating a pro-Russian government. However, the blitzkrieg failed, and Russia is unable to support a protracted war and its associated high costs. Launching a nuclear war would put Russia on the opposite side of the whole world and is therefore unwinnable. The situations both at home and abroad are also increasingly unfavorable. Even if the Russian army were to occupy Ukraine’s capital Kyiv and set up a puppet government at a high cost, this would not mean final victory. At this point, Putin’s best option is to end the war decently through peace talks, which requires Ukraine to make substantial concessions. However, what is not attainable on the battlefield is also difficult to obtain at the negotiating table. In any case, this military action constitutes an irreversible mistake.

败局2. The conflict may escalate further, and the West’s eventual involvement in the war cannot be ruled out. While the escalation of the war would be costly, there is a high probability that Putin will not give up easily given his character and power. The Russo-Ukrainian war may escalate beyond the scope and region of Ukraine, and may even include the possibility of a nuclear strike. Once this happens, the U.S. and Europe cannot stay aloof from the conflict, thus triggering a world war or even a nuclear war. The result would be a catastrophe for humanity and a showdown between the United States and Russia. This final confrontation, given that Russia’s military power is no match for NATO’s, would be even worse for Putin.

败局3 Even if Russia manages to seize Ukraine in a desperate gamble, it is still a political hot potato. Russia would thereafter carry a heavy burden and become overwhelmed. Under such circumstances, no matter whether Volodymyr Zelensky is alive or not, Ukraine will most likely set up a government-in-exile to confront Russia in the long term. Russia will be subject both to Western sanctions and rebellion within the territory of Ukraine. The battle lines will be drawn very long. The domestic economy will be unsustainable and will eventually be dragged down. This period will not exceed a few years.

败局4. The political situation in Russia may change or be disintegrated at the hands of the West. After Putin’s blitzkrieg failed, the hope of Russia’s victory is slim and Western sanctions have reached an unprecedented degree. As people’s livelihoods are severely affected and as anti-war and anti-Putin forces gather, the possibility of a political mutiny in Russia cannot be ruled out. With Russia’s economy on the verge of collapse, it would be difficult for Putin to prop up the perilous situation even without the loss of the Russo-Ukrainian war. If Putin were to be ousted from power due to civil strife, coup d’état, or another reason, Russia would be even less likely to confront the West. It would surely succumb to the West, or even be further dismembered, and Russia’s status as a great power would come to an end.


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Freedom of speech. Didn’t someone say China has no freedom of speech? Or Chinese people are brainwashed communists with no individual perspective?
 

eatshitndie

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Freedom of speech. Didn’t someone say China has no freedom of speech? Or Chinese people are brainwashed communists with no individual perspective?
this is not freedom of speech in prc. he’s a ccp sexpert and is paid to do his job. he’s stating the reality and strategic courses of action and decision for his ccp masters. whether ccp leaders follow his advice is another matter. but since it’s published xia xuay xi is preparing and forewarning to let putin know his change of heart. xia xuay xi always let his mouthpiece fire a warning shot first to test the reaction. like that you ccp shill also don’t know?
 

aerobwala

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The way he screwed his own economy don't think he has the wisdom nor courage to make the difficult choice.
 

LordElrond

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this is not freedom of speech in prc. he’s a ccp sexpert and is paid to do his job. he’s stating the reality and strategic courses of action and decision for his ccp masters. whether ccp leaders follow his advice is another matter. but since it’s published xia xuay xi is preparing and forewarning to let putin know his change of heart. xia xuay xi always let his mouthpiece fire a warning shot first to test the reaction. like that you ccp shill also don’t know?
Probably paid by your angmoh masters to spread rumours
 

Hypocrite-The

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The article does not make sense as the more desperate putin becomes the more benefits the chicons get. The chicons can take over the industries using chicons land n buy up the oil n wheat etc...
 

tanwahtiu

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The idiot talk as if he was in 1960s when China was a poor nation.... China today is a No God nation to end opium trade war with evil BE..

得罪天上 计 and China go ahead grow own own poppies and get into opium trade war with evil BE getting to push opium trade into Europe and the attack the 八国联军 Allied...

Russia has oil and gas is like Russia grow poppies for opium trade war which Germany want to smoke.... Russia is merely supply opium for opium addict Germany... can get don't waste....

Chins support Russia in this war is only act as deterrent handler warning USE China also want the oil and gas trade and pipeline must be through and protected.... once pipeline through Germany is cleared from enemy USE it can get to China Western front smoothly 90s....

USE only use Ukraine as a 借刀杀人计 to disrupt the oil and gas pipeline trade between Germany and Russia... USE will fail... and NATOism falls all birds members will fly away...

The world need 6G Chinese style for new economy V2.0 and not the USE 7G where 3G+4G= 7G fake one...

In this pandemic many countries are scared shits now worry USE drop new virus and get disrupt again... need buy medical stuffs and only factory selling is in China... be nice to China has benefit...

Fuck the Ukraine war the Covid19 biowar is more serious than this stupid Ukraine war.... pass...

Anyway, USE is trying something new that is apply full sanction sport event game for you to join in..... ping pong game or tennis game????

Must not let USE win this sanction sport game with 杀鸡儆猴 计 与 杀鸡用牛刀计 to win....

It seems like everyone join USE to play this sanction sport game but when see they are losing this game many will fall over... 不好玩了... the bet is over....

USE is a 100 lawyers:4 engineers economy says the Japanese... threatening here and there with paperwork of Act, regulation, legislation law is useless if it just a 无中生有计 to kill the chickens to scare the monkey away... Not enough engineers to backup the economy will fail miserably....

Recent USE has this new America Compete Act 2022 new sport game to play with.... to attract engineers to USE to work and play.... how can this sanction war threat with Russia work to attract engineers.... no engineers want to work with a bully anymore... conflict of interest.... pass... the USE Apple is rotting from the inside.... danger about...

Engineers want to work and play in a country which has 100% friendship with the world... no disruption... need spare parts ...

Tioboh..
Psst.... if you like my bullshit click the like button....
 
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aerobwala

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明德先生|神秘的察哈尔学会浮出了水面:中国人,你为什么不先跪?​


带领大家学习一下察哈尔学会学术委员会主任委员胡伟先生就俄乌局势为我们国家指出的唯一道路[跪了]

胡先生分析一大堆之后,为中国提出战略选择的建议:

1.尽快与普京切割。胡先生的理由很有意思,我用通俗易懂的话翻译一下,普京扛不住,中国全力帮助普京也扛不住,所以与其一起跪,不如咱们先跪[跪了]不得不说,察哈尔学会学术委员会的主任委员就是高呀:thumbsup:

2.选择西方,等于选择世界的主流。胡先生讲的理直气壮,我听的是胆战心惊,感情我们的抗美援朝烈士是白牺牲了?中国以一己之力与美国为首的联合国军开战,赢得了中国人的尊严,如果套用胡先生的逻辑,那我们抗美援朝岂不是错了?

3.中国要尽一切可能改变美国对中国的敌视态度。乖乖,这不就是要中国反思吗?美国敌视你,难道不该反思吗?西方跟着美国一起敌视你,你难道不该反思吗?胡先生是真为我们考虑呀,还给我们画出了底线,要防止被美国制裁。啧啧,谋国之“忠”,非上海党校胡教授莫属也:thumbsup:

4.要中国出面制止核战争的发生。老美绑架我们表态也就罢了,连胡教授都要逼着我们表态,你看这架势,如果中国不把核弹头瞄准俄罗斯,胡教授似乎是不会善罢甘休的——难道这就是,胡教授所理解的和平的方法?为什么不去劝北约停止东扩呢?

是呀,为什么不去呢?我想胡教授恐怕心里门儿清。

因为胡教授背后站着的这个察哈尔学会,真的是个神秘到不能再神秘的组织,连美国大使馆都亲切地接见它的会长,那可不是一般的组织能望其项背的。

这个神秘的察哈尔学会,曾经与鼓吹粮食靠进口的茅于轼的天则经济研究所一起选为全球知名独立智库,理解了这个,也就了然了。

最最神奇的是,察哈尔学会的会长韩方明,是在TCL工作的商人,还曾经当过乐视的副董事长,对,就是下周回国贾会计的那个乐视。

谁曾想,一个商人摇身一变,竟然就成了全国政协外事委员会的副主任?

而察哈尔学会学术委员会的主任委员胡伟先生,在俄乌冲突之际,为我们国家献出的战略选择竟然是——先跪为上[跪了]?
 

winners

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The idiot talk as if he was in 1960s when China was a poor nation.... China today is a No God nation to end opium trade war with evil BE..

得罪天上 计 and China go ahead grow own own poppies and get into opium trade war with evil BE getting to push opium trade into Europe and the attack the 八国联军 Allied...

Russia has oil and gas is like Russia grow poppies for opium trade war which Germany want to smoke.... Russia is merely supply opium for opium addict Germany... can get don't waste....

Chins support Russia in this war is only act as deterrent handler warning USE China also want the oil and gas trade and pipeline must be through and protected.... once pipeline through Germany is cleared from enemy USE it can get to China Western front smoothly 90s....

USE only use Ukraine as a 借刀杀人计 to disrupt the oil and gas pipeline trade between Germany and Russia... USE will fail... and NATOism falls all birds members will fly away...

The world need 6G Chinese style for new economy V2.0 and not the USE 7G where 3G+4G= 7G fake one...

In this pandemic many countries are scared shits now worry USE drop new virus and get disrupt again... need buy medical stuffs and only factory selling is in China... be nice to China has benefit...

Fuck the Ukraine war the Covid19 biowar is more serious than this stupid Ukraine war.... pass...

Anyway, USE is trying something new that is apply full sanction sport event game for you to join in..... ping pong game or tennis game????

Must not let USE win this sanction sport game with 杀鸡儆猴 计 与 杀鸡用牛刀计 to win....

It seems like everyone join USE to play this sanction sport game but when see they are losing this game many will fall over... 不好玩了... the bet is over....

USE is a 100 lawyers:4 engineers economy says the Japanese... threatening here and there with paperwork of Act, regulation, legislation law is useless if it just a 无中生有计 to kill the chickens to scare the monkey away... Not enough engineers to backup the economy will fail miserably....

Recent USE has this new America Compete Act 2022 new sport game to play with.... to attract engineers to USE to work and play.... how can this sanction war threat with Russia work to attract engineers.... no engineers want to work with a bully anymore... conflict of interest.... pass... the USE Apple is rotting from the inside.... danger about...

Engineers want to work and play in a country which has 100% friendship with the world... no disruption... need spare parts ...

Tioboh..
Psst.... if you like my bullshit click the like button....
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winners

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China won't abandon Russia as the former will need Russia's vote when China will invade Taiwan. All these are for wayang purposes only. Just like Russia saying China won't supply aircraft parts to Russia, but I believe this is just a smokescreen to cover China's ass but behind the scene, China is doing otherwise. Commies lie to their people and they lie to the world.
 
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tanwahtiu

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China won't abandon Russia as the former will need Russia's vote when China will invade Taiwan. All these are for wayang purposes only. Just like Russia saying China won't supply aircraft parts to Russia, but I believe this is just a smokescreen to cover China's ass but behind the scene, China is doing otherwise. Commies lie to their people and they lie to the world.
And... please you go fuck blue camels and back to troll me with your rethoric anti China theme...
 

syed putra

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I hope putin survives and china perish.
Ukrain administrative issue can easily be resolve by turning it into s Islamic republic snd invite afghsns, iraqis, yemenis to take control.
 

gingerlyn

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I hope putin survives and china perish.
Ukrain administrative issue can easily be resolve by turning it into s Islamic republic snd invite afghsns, iraqis, yemenis to take control.
majority of chinese race living outside of china do not want this war
 

Byebye Penis

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China absorbed a lot of Russian Ruble by allowing Ruble to freely exchange for Yuan at official rates that are better than black markets.

Then, Russia demands China to pay them with Euros or yuan when buying Russian commodities.

Ended up, China is sitting on a lot of useless Rubles. China will go bust if this continues.
 
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