Chitchat China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pants?

[scroobal]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

I don't think it is cowardice. They have never trusted their leaders through-out the centuries. Warlordism in the later part of their history, Mao and the death of 40million Chinese due to famine and now the rampant corruption at the leadership levels are consistent pattern that the populace knows. They have become practical.

Put 10 Chinese in the middle of a desert and there will be some level of economic activity within 1 month. Within a year it is will a trading post. No other race can face hardship and develop entrepreneurship at the same time.

When the boat people (ethnic chinese from Vietnam) landed in Oz, and various other countries that accepted them, they became independent within a short period. They became market gardeners and the second generation went into IT and start-ups. In the UK, the most prominent race that hardly were on the dole in the UK are the Chinese.

The chinks are ball-less cowards. Always have been and always will be.

 

[virus]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

The han dynasty is intriguing. Formed by the liu clan and backed by some powerful overlord in the south, they ruled mainland with vassal states like south korea making annual homage to the throne but the skrimishes in the north by Huns n Turks created substantial loads for a agriculture based economy which is raided by powerful nomads. The liu emperor was forced to offer peace in form of gifts n his dotter in hand but that did not bring peace. What was interesting is that these nomads were agile fighters against the heavily armored chinks which bogged down thier horses. The biggest advantage was the invention of tempered stainless steel that allowed them to slice n destroy the iron swords by chinks. Hence the pervert slice iron like m&d. It was only during the reign of liu che the martial Emperor that brought this to an end, training n building a secret army, sending scouts to indian, khazitan to learn the smelting process n raw material n faking traders that bought Hun horses to equal match their power n speed. All these took him almost 4 decades to achieve and a heavy price, where he fought to tame the overlords n barbarians at same the time with wei qing, unker Li guang no you and huo qubing not huo yanbing all KIA. Liu che always offer an interesting read.

 

[Spock]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

Back to border skirmishes arguments. What country did China invade using their military might and strategy - Tibet!! Ever heard of Kublai Khan? The most impressive Chinese battle formation which the whole world will agree is the Terracott Army - 8,000 warriors, 130 chariots, hundreds of horses. As thy say - no horse run. The other impressive Military contribution to the World is the Sun Tzu.

These are similar to arguments you hear from Indians on how they are running America Corporations.

WTF? You are talking about history going back more than 2000 years. You think they document everything nicely back in those days? Besides, there were countless wars and things get lost like when the First Emperor destroyed many books (they probably contain a lot of information but I do not want to speculate unlike you). The first relatively accurate historical record was done in the Han dynasty (史记). Read this if you want to know more but even then, it would be difficult for the historian to record facts 2000 years before the Han dynasty.

The Mongols conquered the Song dynasty when half the country was already in the hands of the Jurchens (Jin dynasty). The Manchus (descendants of the Jurchens) only managed to conquer China when it was in turmoil with an internal revolt and the Emperor committed suicide. Even then they were let in easily by the Ming general Wu Sangui.

The Mongols were the most formidable force I know but they were not able to hold on to their lands. Same thing keeps repeating, if you try to hold on to lands where the culture is drastically different, you will usually lose your grip sooner or later.

What is your definition of conquest? Japan conquered Philippines (US territory) in WW2 but later lost it. Does that mean Japan conquered USA? The Greeks, Romans and Mongols conquered vast territories but lost most of them later (in the sense that none of these conquered territories follow their culture). Is that considered conquest?

 

[Spock]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

Shu did not conquer southern barbarians. In fact it was forced into the kunming region by her enemies n liu bei sought the difficult terrain for protection against larger troops led by caocao whp owns more futile plains. The southern enemies were in fact vietnamese n laotians who has collaborated with caocao forces to try to annex kunming region. The poorer region did not offer much resources nor manpower to boost an aging liu bei n zhuge kong ming. For the latter a genius with a bad deck of cards. Shu were eventually worn down n liu bei's sons annihilated.

Yes, they did. This was in the Yunnan region. Below is the text from Wikipedia.

During the Three Kingdoms period, the state of Shu Han ruled over Southwest China. After the death of Shu Han's founder, Liu Bei, the Nanman tribesmen of the region rebelled against Shu Han's rule. However, the Shu Han chancellor, Zhuge Liang, led a successful expedition to quell the rebellion. The Three Kingdoms period is one of the bloodiest in Chinese history.[9] In fact, it is considered the second deadliest period of warfare in history behind World War II.[9][10][11][12] A nationwide census taken in AD 280, following the reunification of the Three Kingdoms under the Jin shows a total of 2,459,840 households and 16,163,863 individuals which was only a fraction of the 10,677,960 households, and 56,486,856 individuals reported during the Han era.[13] While the census may not have been accurate due to a multitude of factors of the times, the Jin in AD 280 did make an attempt to account for all individuals including those whom they identified as the Nanman or Miao tribes where they could.

By the Tang dynasty, most of the Hmong were exterminated or assimilated into Chinese civilization except for those rebellious tribes in Yunnan, where they were ruled by the six Zhao (趙). The southernmost, known as Mengshezhao (Chinese: 蒙舍詔) or Kingdom of Nanzhao (Chinese: 南詔), united the six Zhao and founded the first documented independent Nanman state during the early 8th century. The tribe placed into royalty were thought to be Bai people. Nanzhao regularly paid tributes through the head of military district Jiannan Jiedushi (劍南節度使). When the Tang dynasty gradually declined, Nanman gained more independence, but were largely assimilated by later dynasties, in particular from the Mongols, in the Yuan Dynasty onward. However, some of Nanzhao's survivors carried on their cultural influences and were carried south into modern day Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and Burma.

 

[virus]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

see... i watch jamban correct 10cts and the shit chink cereal on chanel no 8 and anyhow hoot also tio one.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

Isn't that inside all cargos ship into and out of SCS are made in china products bound for world markets. What the fuck are the American pommies defending of?

How many % of cargoes are made in usa products heading to China or import to China.

Fknn. So many humji .

 

[virus]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

Isn't that inside all cargos ship into and out of SCS are made in china products bound for world markets. What the fuck are the American pommies defending of?

How many % of cargoes are made in usa products heading to China or import to China.

Fknn. So many humji .

trade, american protecting trade by ensuring democrazy endure, no one heard of disney before WWII, certainly no one knows kermit the frog. a taiwan that goes into china fodder will remove an important outpost close to china, something which vietnam, laos and pakistan have to offer but gladly rejects.

liaoning is similar to such outpost, but pushing forward by 400km, the defense line shift forth, even a skirmish or a protracted attack would limit damage away from crowded coastal cities.

 

[johnny333]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

list of invasions,overthrows of governments,non democratic regime changes and spreading of democracy by America since inception.

China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
...
...

We all know what others have done & now it's now it's China's turn & they are showing that they are no better.

 

[winners]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

We all know what others have done & now it's now it's China's turn & they are showing that they are no better.

I don't think they are just showing. They are now acting like what the Japanese Imperial Emperor had acted before WW2: got excessively greedy and wanted to keep on conquering and expanding.

The present Chinks after the Mao era are arrogant, snobbish and extremely obsessed with money. I still remember during the Asian financial crises in 1997/8 when our company was indeed having to depend mostly on the sales from China to survive. The fucking sales rep in Shanghai will very often boasts by repeating: "If without us, your company would have closed/bankrupted long ago. So, we will dictate the terms and conditions in our country". WTF? He will never remember which is the company who had helped him to make his first million dollars.

 

[virus]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

the japanese were facing with trade sanctions from usa restricting them for attacking manchuria and northern china, in the former there is affinity with manchuria a vassal state to both and also a block that may curtain russia from aiding china

 

[scroobal]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

It is certainly projection of power and they are indeed the regional power. Just as the Americans had their collective assess whipped by the Vietnamese and Russians literally got sodomized by the Afghans, the time for the big powers to impose their will has long gone. Borders are opening up, travel across countries are no longer confined to shared ideology. Most countries are downsizing their blue water fleet and their armed forces.

The show is for their own people and not for educated masses around the World. Its like the Indians who have 300 million people under the official poverty line but they found the money to launch a spaceship to Mars in 2015 to impress their ignorant masses. Immediately they were lampooned by the World press and cartoonists. These are 3rd world idiots that we have as leaders. No money to look after their own poor and those exploited by western corporations running sweatshops in China, they can afford to conjure illusions of grandeur.

Ironically the Chinese didn't even build the damn thing like the British, the French or the Italians. And why did the Russians sell them the shell?

 

[frenchbriefs]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

Chinese carrier enters South China Sea amid renewed tension

[video=youtube;wlDmslyGmGI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlDmslyGmGI[/video]

 

[frenchbriefs]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

You obviously have no knowledge of how the Han, Tang and Ming dynasties expanded their borders. Even in the well-known Three Kingdoms era, the state of Shu conquered the southern barbarians. Perhaps what you meant was China has never conquered a larger enemy. But for over 2000 years, China was the largest country in the region with no other comparable countries. The desire to gain more territories will not be as strong as those that are in greater need of more land.

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way when pushing agenda. Let's pretend that the Chinese got all these unpopulated lands without a single skirmish before the Han dynasty.

I am glad we have people like you educating the ignorant with false information so that they are now at least misinformed.

hell yeah thats right,bitch slap that mofo.

 

[kryonlight]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

frenchbriefs, please post videos of China folk songs. It's not proper to celebrate the SCS inauguration of the Liaoning with an ang moh song. You can't partake of the commie chinks' economic pie without also taking in some of their chink culture.

[video=youtube;jYwgJZbyJXI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYwgJZbyJXI[/video]

 

[frenchbriefs]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

frenchbriefs, please post videos of China folk songs. It's not proper to celebrate the SCS inauguration of the Liaoning with an ang moh song. You can't partake of the commie chinks' economic pie without also taking in some of their chink culture.

[video=youtube;jYwgJZbyJXI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYwgJZbyJXI[/video]

ok but the traditional chinese music doesnt suit the mood and the atmosphere,it might be better if im sitting in the first class lounge of an airplane sipping a glass of white wine cruising at 30,000 feet altitude,but not when im overwhelmed by tears of joy and sentiment at this beautiful phallus shape of potency and weaponry like those of first love,which can only be aptly described by a man in sweaty white shirt with constipated look like he has a thousand squirrels up his ass.

 

[Charlie99]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

I do not understand this:

"Look at Taiwan, they had 50 over years to invade the small island which nearly 200 countries including all the western countries recognise as theirs. They never did."

 

[flatearther]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

...but not when im overwhelmed by tears of joy and sentiment at this beautiful phallus shape of potency and weaponry like those of first love,which can only be aptly described by a man in sweaty white shirt with constipated look like he has a thousand squirrels up his ass.

 

[winnipegjets]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

Asian nations better kowtow to China now.

Trump won't be bothered with what happens in Asia or even Europe.

China and Russia can have their region of control.

Trump vs China on the economic front ...this will be a battle of will and I suspect the Chinese will win. Growth potential for an inward looking USA is limited. The Chinese has Asia, South America and Africa for export market. And the Chinese will gradually liquidate their holdings of US debt.

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

WTF? You are talking about history going back more than 2000 years. You think they document everything nicely back in those days? Besides, there were countless wars and things get lost like when the First Emperor destroyed many books (they probably contain a lot of information but I do not want to speculate unlike you). The first relatively accurate historical record was done in the Han dynasty (史记). Read this if you want to know more but even then, it would be difficult for the historian to record facts 2000 years before the Han dynasty.

what the misinformer who thinks he knows all and has the final say and misinformed here do not know and are not well read in history is the "never-heard-of war" between korea/ming and japan from 1592 to 1598. it is never heard of in archaic anglo educational institution (like oxford ). the war is well documented, memorialized, and enshrined in korea but not in china and japan as ming china records on foreign war successes were mainly destroyed by occupying manchus and the defeat and retreat by hideyoshi's army and navy was an unbearable shame in kyoto. the war is known as imjinwaeren (chaos in the imjin era) in korea, engulfing the entire korean peninsula, border with ming china, japan sea, and all coastal areas around the korean peninsula. jap forces were mostly successful on land until ming forces intervened, and korean and ming navies had the upper hand at sea. it involved hundreds of thousands of men on both sides, over 1000 ships, war junks, sizable boats from both sides, and an estimated 1 million casualties including civilians on the korean side. that protracted war in 2 phases or invasions resulted in korea/ming victory over japan which was then ruled by toyotomi hideyoshi who had recently united jipango after a brutal civil war.

those who are not well schooled in asian history should not be bragging about their lack of credentials and knowledge here and yet claiming to know all. they are just making a mockery of themselves.

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: China shows off Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier in SCS! LHL pissing in pan

The han dynasty is intriguing. Formed by the liu clan and backed by some powerful overlord in the south, they ruled mainland with vassal states like south korea making annual homage to the throne but the skrimishes in the north by Huns n Turks created substantial loads for a agriculture based economy which is raided by powerful nomads. The liu emperor was forced to offer peace in form of gifts n his dotter in hand but that did not bring peace. What was interesting is that these nomads were agile fighters against the heavily armored chinks which bogged down thier horses. The biggest advantage was the invention of tempered stainless steel that allowed them to slice n destroy the iron swords by chinks. Hence the pervert slice iron like m&d. It was only during the reign of liu che the martial Emperor that brought this to an end, training n building a secret army, sending scouts to indian, khazitan to learn the smelting process n raw material n faking traders that bought Hun horses to equal match their power n speed. All these took him almost 4 decades to achieve and a heavy price, where he fought to tame the overlords n barbarians at same the time with wei qing, unker Li guang no you and huo qubing not huo yanbing all KIA. Liu che always offer an interesting read.

it was long term planning, a concerted effort to build up fast and powerful cavalry using imported horses from central asia (plus breeding tens of thousands of them in han china, that was why it took decades) and amassing a combined arms army of light infantry, heavy infantry, fast cavalry, cavalry archers, heavy cavalry, chariots and supply caravans that could project power and take the fight to the hsiungnu's in multi-year campaigns. plus great generalship by wei qing and his nephew. unfortunately han china did not follow up with same strategy and tactics in 3 generations of succeeding emperors. that was the fatal flaw of ancient china: dynastic rule would lead to idiots taking the throne and all previous successes in less than 3 generations would be negated in their entirety.