China lands high-tech J-15 jet on new carrier

[B Man]

It's really strange that no matter what china has achieved it's always put down. Hey coming up as number 2 after all this time from the 70s is a very good achievement. No other first world country is number 2 fyi. It's not germany, nor oz, nor some other country.

It's really odd because suppose if it was some other country say india for eg that was in the same position as china. The ppl condemning it would change 180 and be praising them to the skies. If you notice other countries that have accomplished much less or accomplished nothing at all get praised to the skies yet no matter how much china has accomplished is always put down. Absolutely ridiculous.

I cannot agree more that china has set many exemplary moves.

Many people condemn their stealth fighter programme and now the aircraft carrier programme. But technology wise, how many countries could have done it? And in the timeframe? Even the so called allies of the US have difficulty creation a flying version in that time frame.

IMO the condemners are
- countries or people from the countries that know that they will never achieve such levels no matter what.
- people taking on Hollywood crap and believing it as the gospel truth
- people believing in mainstream media and just accept it

IF all Asian nations unite and work together, I believe that we would have the capability to rule the world in a shorter span. The whites see it and they are very worried for they will lose the throne in the short span on the next 10 years hence the agenda to push nations here to fight.

 

[Cestbon]

I cannot agree more that china has set many exemplary moves.

Many people condemn their stealth fighter programme and now the aircraft carrier programme. But technology wise, how many countries could have done it? And in the timeframe? Even the so called allies of the US have difficulty creation a flying version in that time frame.

IMO the condemners are
- countries or people from the countries that know that they will never achieve such levels no matter what.
- people taking on Hollywood crap and believing it as the gospel truth
- people believing in mainstream media and just accept it

IF all Asian nations unite and work together, I believe that we would have the capability to rule the world in a shorter span. The whites see it and they are very worried for they will lose the throne in the short span on the next 10 years hence the agenda to push nations here to fight.

Very truth. What other country do. China can do it with half of the cost and half of it time frame.

 

[B Man]

That I have to disagree. The PRC army is only good at quelling internal unrest. They have hardly fought a full war for decades. The last time they battled with Vietnam, and that was with a weakened enemy, using WW2 tactics. PRC Army huge annual budget is largely wasted on corruption and showcase projects.

On the other hand, the USA has regular wars to update their doctrine and technology. The US military is now expert in disrupting communications and precision strikes. The modern warfare is won on these two. So long as all the wars are fought outside of China soil, there is no way China can win. Even Japan can beat China's navy to a pulp. The current Chinese leaders know this, so they will never try anything stupid, because losing a war with foreign power is going to cost them their legitimacy to rule China.

If the USA is to couch the war as against the CCP and not China people, we may even find the Chinese masses cheering for team USA.

I have to disagree. USA has wars to take control of economic needs for itself. It was never to do with ideology, doctrines or such.

Basic premise is USA borrows money from you, it then sends it battleships to your shores to make sure you won't ask for it back.

 

[Sunstreaker]

Btw i find it strange that you think it's perfectly all right for the US to sabotage other nations surrounding it so that americans can maintain their standard of living but if china were to do the same. Oh that's evil! Yet when americans do it perfectly fine.

US and China have the rights to purse national objectives, promote and preserve the interests of their countries and people. but some countries, interest groups and people with ulterior motives seem to deny China the same self-preservation and self-interest rights. eg. China have no right to purse it's interest in the South China Sea dispute. that is Chinese military aggression. this is bullshit. China has a right to look after, protect and advance her national interest like every other countries who are staking claims in the South China Sea.


what did the US do to it's neighboring countries ?

 

[yellowarse]

US and China have the rights to purse national objectives, promote and preserve the interests of their countries and people. but some countries, interest groups and people with ulterior motives seem to deny China the same self-preservation and self-interest rights.

Can't agree more. Every nation not only has the right to, but must, look after its own interests first—or perish. This will remain the case until the world can learn to cooperate and share the world's resources.

The hypocrites out there who deny China that right are ironically doing the same thing—guarding jealously their access to assets, resources and technology won through 500 years of brutal Western imperialism.

Rep points for you.

 

[jubilee1919]

Very soon we will see the effect of china declining birth rate. This country is going into decline slowly but surely. World superpower ... Not even in our grand children's lifetime.

I really cannot understand your stance about China. I already said China is now an emerging superpower http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/11/08/2012110800679.html.

"The new leaders of both superpowers must first tend to domestic matters. Obama faces the challenge of cutting his country's massive fiscal debt while creating jobs to alleviate acute unemployment. Xi must tackle the problem of acute social income disparity and pursue both political and economic reforms."

Just google China superpower and you will find more news about it.

 

[B Man]

Can't agree more. Every nation not only has the right to, but must, look after its own interests first—or perish. This will remain the case until the world can learn to cooperate and share the world's resources.

The hypocrites out there who deny China that right are ironically doing the same thing—guarding jealously their access to assets, resources and technology won through 500 years of brutal Western imperialism.

Rep points for you.

Yes and the agenda to further the western imperialism by suppressing Asian nations rise.

Unfortunately some Asian nations buy the notion they have to support the agenda.

 

[Cestbon]

I really cannot understand your stance about China. I already said China is now an emerging superpower http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/11/08/2012110800679.html.

"The new leaders of both superpowers must first tend to domestic matters. Obama faces the challenge of cutting his country's massive fiscal debt while creating jobs to alleviate acute unemployment. Xi must tackle the problem of acute social income disparity and pursue both political and economic reforms."

Just google China superpower and you will find more news about it.

Agree! Both go to war only stealmate.

Now both country facing internal social problem. US face with jobless and debt.
China face with social problem/jobless........................

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Agree! Both go to war only stealmate.

Now both country facing internal social problem. US face with jobless and debt.
China face with social problem/jobless........................

china's population is a few times more..........they will prevail.
US also cannot tahan the political fallout from too high deaths of their precious lives........PRC lives machiam cockroaches no value.

 

[watchman8]

I really cannot understand your stance about China. I already said China is now an emerging superpower

And I'm saying that china is already a submerging power that never reach superpower status.

 

[yellowarse]

china's population is a few times more..........they will prevail.

They've prevailed through 5,000 years of turmoil—fragmentation, civil wars, conquests by barbarians, from the world's most advanced (Tang/Sung) and richest (largest GDP through to 1850) civilization to being the 'Sick Man of Asia', back to being the next rising superpower.

They will prevail for another 5,000 years, in whatever form.

 

[Sunstreaker]

china's population is a few times more..........they will prevail.
US also cannot tahan the political fallout from too high deaths of their precious lives........PRC lives machiam cockroaches no value.

yeah. and once the US suffer high death counts and the war drags on inconclusively, the American people will pressure their congressmen to bring their sons home. the congressmen in order to please the constituents will put heavy pressure on the government to reduce troops, reduce the scale of the war or bring the war to a termination. this scenario repeated several times for US over the last 60+ years from the Chinese civil war, Korean, Vietnam wars to the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. the authoritarian PRC state can easily devote the entire country resources and efforts to fight the war to it's satisfactory conclusion with no timescale but US simply don't have the conditions to do it.

 

[eatshitndie]

Agree! Both go to war only stealmate.

bonjour cest si bon, if both sides "steal mate(s)", surely both sides will go to war (for lack of sex with desired partners).

 

[longbow]

Of course China is an emerging super power. During the last Presidential election what everyone was talking about was China, China, China, no one mentioned Japan or India. Even the Americans know that China is the one they need to worry about.

 

[mscitw]

4/4.5th generation fighter at best

Airframe doesn't suggest stealth characteristics, looks more reminscent of a F-14/F-18 airframe. While it has some of the latest electronics China can provide, its weakness as suggested by some would be the very same China-made engines. Still it does show China's growing sea power ambition

PRC aims are to deal with the inept South East Asian basket cases using WWII air-craft carrier while using Soviet era cruise missiles to deter the Uncle Sam battle carrier groups.

 

[Shaven]

I cannot agree more that china has set many exemplary moves.

Many people condemn their stealth fighter programme and now the aircraft carrier programme. But technology wise, how many countries could have done it? And in the timeframe? Even the so called allies of the US have difficulty creation a flying version in that time frame.

IMO the condemners are
- countries or people from the countries that know that they will never achieve such levels no matter what.
- people taking on Hollywood crap and believing it as the gospel truth
- people believing in mainstream media and just accept it

IF all Asian nations unite and work together, I believe that we would have the capability to rule the world in a shorter span. The whites see it and they are very worried for they will lose the throne in the short span on the next 10 years hence the agenda to push nations here to fight.

This is probably the most naive post I ever read defending China. US for all its fault was seen as defender of democratic principle - F-R-E-E-D-O-M! US have toppled dictatorship via economic and military means and who can argue about that ex. Iraq under Saddam, Afghanistan under Taliban, Panama under Noriega and so on... China on the other hand are using economic blackmail and military threat on Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Cambodia to advanced its interest in SCS which majestically backfired now as more and more of this countries are aligning themselves with US pivot in Asia. Oz and Kiwis are starting to detached their economies from China, Philippines has never relied on chinese market and yet its economy is one of high growth countries in Asia, Vietnam for all its fault as a communist state has stand out economic growth without relying on chinese market... Cambodia is not faring well due to its heavy capital and economic reliance in China hence it's towing the line. If China gov't mishandled this SCS dispute and continue to flex its muscle, they will play into US hands and will find itself surrounded by Japan, Vietnam, Philippines... what this communist state can do is to calm down its rhetoric and demilitarized SCS by pulling its Navy out and the other claimant state will reciprocate but its too late now, these countries are now very suspicious of China's intention. Buckle up boys, WWIII is coming and it will start here in East Asia.

 

[longbow]

As for the the Chinese carriers, I would not be surprised if they came up with a smaller carrier, conventional powered each with 30 aircraft and start selling them to anyone that want one for US$1B, fully equipped with aircraft and training. Great for power projection closer to home. And no need for large flotilla of support ships.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

In terms of soft power, china is even lower than Korea.
In terms of financial might, china banks don't have the expertise and network.
In terms of education, china system sucks, and hardly anyone will want to study uni there, unless can get into the top 3 uni.

China is strong only in manufacturing, and that can be easily overtaken by other 3rd world countries. Indonesia, vietnam, and even Malaysia. Furthermore the manufacturing technologies are transferred from overseas, so once china cost competitiveness decline, the businessmen will ship out.

Very soon we will see the effect of china declining birth rate. This country is going into decline slowly but surely. World superpower ... Not even in our grand children's lifetime.

I'll give you that korea might be more famous than china currently cos of the korean wave but comeon let's be honest, china isn't too bad. You ever heard of jet lee, jackie chan, ang lee, chow yuen fat and HK martial arts movies and so on? Of course you have of course many non chinese like whites and so on have heard of it. That's chinese soft power for you. The korean wave has been large these few yrs and they have overtaken traditional soft powers like japan for eg. It has become very huge in the US too does this mean it has overtaken the US? Take the gangnam style. Really huge in the US but the US has not had a gangnam style thing to counter the korean one nor does japan have it so does this mean korean soft power is bigger than the US and japan? If you look closely at korean movies, stars and so on. Well nobody really knows the name of any korean pop stars unless they are teens. I for one only know of SNSD and jay park but that's because he performed in SG channel 8 actors awards show. I won't deny the korean wave is big but i somehow cannot even think of one korean star that is as well known as jackie chan or jet li. Even some red neck ang moh in the backwoods of the US knows who jackie chan is so i can say that china does have some soft power eh since we're always so sensitive to what the ang mohs feel. Actually name me any well known asian artise actor or singer that's not from korea, japan or china. Fact of the matter is outside of these 3 countries no other asian country has much soft power. Joetys for eg has lived in thailand for many yrs yet he doesn't even know many or in fact any thai celebrities.

As for chinese banks do they include the HK banks? Actually why do you want to talk about finance? I mean after the big mess the financial sector made in the west especially the big banks made a mess in the US with the wall street protests and so on why even talk about that? I mean the banks cheated so much out of the common ppl in the west but somehow that's fine with you and they are still experts to you i am sure.

Education wise well let's put things in perspective. You do know that they communicate entirely in mandarin in the unis right? You do know that outside of the US, OZ, UK, canada other first world nations don't really have popular unis. Take japan for eg. Not many foreigners would consider studying in them. Why? Cos japanese unis suck? No cos they do everything in japanese and most non japanese don't speak jap. Same thing with chinese universities. Most non chinese don't speak mandarin. Have you ever considered that? Also it's so competitive in china how are foreigners going to make it? We have chinese students studying in american, british etc unis and topping them consistently do you seriously think foreigners can top unis in china if they manage to learn and speak excellent mandarin? Hey if the education system in china is really bad why do chinese students top universities in western nations?

China is strong ONLY in manufacturing and that be easily be overtaken by other countries. I really wonder why the hell aren't these other countries overtaking china in manufacturing yet? The japanese are strong ONLY in electronics and be easily be overtaken. Oh yes they have already been overtaken. I don't know i mean being only the 3rd country in the entire world to have sent someone to space and they are strong ONLY in manufacturing? Sounds really odd.


Declining birth rates are a problem. Then again most or all 1st world countries have a declining birth rate. Even in the US the whites who should be the ones most responsible for making US 1st world have the lowest birth rate so the US is also going into decline right? In fact on the issue of birth rate 3rd world countries in africa have the highest birth rates as usual. It's a very common trend that when a country becomes richer somehow the birth rates fall that's why all western european nations have the lowest birth rates and in asia japan has the lowest, singapore has a low birth rate but indonesia should have a high one. So if we want to follow your logic of using birth rates the next superpowers should all be coming from africa. I mean hey you could sound the death knell so early for china simply because they adopted the 1 child policy to help stop their growing population which is 4 times that of the US.

 

[3_M]

To be able to achieve carrier landing and take off within such a short space of time is remarkable. When you considered China with no experience in building aircraft carrier only started to refurbish the old Varyag in 2005 and have now not only set sailed but landed fighter jets on it. Compare to Russian refurbishment of India carrier Vikramaditya which started work in 2004 and is still having technical glitches at the dry dock at this moment.

 

[watchman8]

I'll give you that korea might be more famous than china currently cos of the korean wave but comeon let's be honest, china isn't too bad. You ever heard of jet lee, jackie chan, ang lee, chow yuen fat and HK martial arts movies and so on?

My thinking about China is that the country has too much baggage and the current political system will eventually doom the country. China has not completed its "French revolution" that will create a more sustainable system in which greviances can be settled via voting. The current system is so broken that a permanent underclass has formed and the ruling class will continue to steal and rob without checks. That's why I think if the USA is to engage China militarily, the Chinese masses may in fact cheer for team USA if the US manages the optics properly.

That said, the Chinese race will still thrive outside of China. The talented Chinese will continue to flow out of the country into countries that they deemed to offer a better life for themselves and their offsprings. The massive brain drain combined with low birthrate will doom the country for a few more decades or even centuries. The main beneficiaries of this brain drain will be North America, Australia, Southeast Asia and Europe.

The pollution, political environment, deficit education system, poor healthcare etc will ensure that the brain drain will not reverse for several more decades. You can already see the decline starting now, just as the population is starting to age (one child policy started in 1978, so the number of young adults entering the workforce are declining annually since 2010).

The decline of China will be like Japan on steriod. My bet is that it will be scary because Japan, in contrast, has accumulated more wealth before GDP stagnated, and the brain drain has been limited.

So I think China is merely a power today by virtue of its size. It will not be a superpower in our lifetime, and probably not even in our grandkids lifetime.