China lands high-tech J-15 jet on new carrier

[jubilee1919]

A lot of people can believe what they want to, but the way I see it, China even though considered 2nd superpower is stil a long way off - in terms of technological development. Space exploration - what about probes to Mars, Venus, the asteroid belt, outer solar system? Navy? Take a look at Nippon's first before even comparing with Old Uncle Sam's.

Other than PRC, nobodyelse has the will nor the purpose to go ballistic on military spending (Peesai might if she has the means).

China's main problem today is her own internal social gap, she probably has less problem dealing with external issues than internal ones, and Uncle Sam's woes are more likely the likes of Al-Qaeda and bros than an upcoming sleeping giant of the Land of Ah Tiongs. For those military junkies inspired by weapon tech between the big boys, keep plugging on your keyboard wargames.

My fear is not a WW3 type scenario but the day Chinese consumer market develops to a point where USA only wants to trade with PRC and vice versa and these two forget about the rest of the world. Then we're all in shit. As it is when we import some products from USA which PRC also buys, we get little attention or priority from the exporters.

Cheers!

The world needs to contain the US of A and fill in the void left behind by the USSR. How China goes about achieving her aim to be on par is left to be seen. As of now, she is the only one left, Japan is still recovering with the other European nations now in deep shit.

I have no arguments about what you wrote apart from the above.

 

[jubilee1919]

It's really strange that no matter what china has achieved it's always put down. Hey coming up as number 2 after all this time from the 70s is a very good achievement. No other first world country is number 2 fyi. It's not germany, nor oz, nor some other country.

It's really odd because suppose if it was some other country say india for eg that was in the same position as china. The ppl condemning it would change 180 and be praising them to the skies. If you notice other countries that have accomplished much less or accomplished nothing at all get praised to the skies yet no matter how much china has accomplished is always put down. Absolutely ridiculous.

It's not really strange as many still viewed China with suspicion. No one in the free world really knows what is in the minds of the inscrutable Chinese. Good or evil?

 

[cockie]

China Tom Cat..... Period....

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

It's not really strange as many still viewed China with suspicion. No one in the free world really knows what is in the minds of the inscrutable Chinese. Good or evil?

I believe that anyone can fly down and stay in china over there. It's not like north korea. Inscrutable is also used on the japs FYI or east asians by the western ppl that don't know much about eastern culture. That's all. I also don't see the relevance of this stereotype on the discussion at hand.


So what if china is really inscrutable? That doesn't change the fact that it's 2nd. Exposing the bias of ppl around here shouldn't be based on some silly stereotype like the chinese ppl are inscrutable. Like that even means anything and what's even worse the ppl here are all asians and chinese not as if they were white ppl.

 

[jubilee1919]

That I have to disagree. The PRC army is only good at quelling internal unrest. They have hardly fought a full war for decades. The last time they battled with Vietnam, and that was with a weakened enemy, using WW2 tactics. PRC Army huge annual budget is largely wasted on corruption and showcase projects.

On the other hand, the USA has regular wars to update their doctrine and technology. The US military is now expert in disrupting communications and precision strikes. The modern warfare is won on these two. So long as all the wars are fought outside of China soil, there is no way China can win. Even Japan can beat China's navy to a pulp. The current Chinese leaders know this, so they will never try anything stupid, because losing a war with foreign power is going to cost them their legitimacy to rule China.

If the USA is to couch the war as against the CCP and not China people, we may even find the Chinese masses cheering for team USA.

Actually military might is not the only consideration for a country to be a superpower. We are not discussing war between the 2 superpowers. I was correcting the impression that "China has a long way to go to catch up to be the top superpower." I said China is already a superpower 2nd to USA.

 

[Agoraphobic]

OK but then again the fact of the matter is other than china, usa and ussr no other country has been to space and the other countries like germany, japan have all been first world for a long time.

Nobody sees any gain from going to space. The only "gain" is national pride. Even the US has lots of citizens protesting such expenditure, they had such crap from internal protestors over the "under-budget" response to the Katrina disaster in New Orleans.

Space exploration eventually has to be a joint-program. The nations of the world will have to grow out of their xenophobic mould and work together. China needs to be internationally recognized as a developed and humane country before being accepted by the rest of the world especially the so-called first world nations. Maybe an extra-terrestrial threat will force the peoples of this planet to be like that.

For now, the competition and rivalry between the nations on Earth is good and neccesary. At least somebody's doing it.

Cheers!

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Actually military might is not the only consideration for a country to be a superpower. We are not discussing war between the 2 superpowers. I was correcting the impression that "China has a long way to go to catch up to be the top superpower." I said China is already a superpower 2nd to USA.

I wonder how many ppl would get offended by your statement. To them china is still stuck in the qing dynasty and then they'll change the topic to something irrelevant like some stereotype like chinese have slitty eyes and small dicks therefore china isn't a superpower and they speak bad engrish. Something along those lines.

 

[mayliewwan]

Canada preferred to keep quite regarding its achievement. When Swigert uttered the famous words.....Houston we have a problem. I wondered how many forummers knew this. NASA turned to Canada(UofT) for help

Don't know about other 1st world nations, but Canada's first immediate goal is to recapture the World Cup Hockey! They don't give a shit about anything else.

Cheers!

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Nobody sees any gain from going to space. The only "gain" is national pride. Even the US has lots of citizens protesting such expenditure, they had such crap from internal protestors over the "under-budget" response to the Katrina disaster in New Orleans.

Space exploration eventually has to be a joint-program. The nations of the world will have to grow out of their xenophobic mould and work together. China needs to be internationally recognized as a developed and humane country before being accepted by the rest of the world especially the so-called first world nations. Maybe an extra-terrestrial threat will force the peoples of this planet to be like that.

For now, the competition and rivalry between the nations on Earth is good and neccesary. At least somebody's doing it.

Cheers!

You're wrong dude. Space exploration allows humankind to explore the infinite space and to look for new resources or new avenues. Yeah sure you can look at it like china is doing it just for pride because they are doing what others have done before but here's the logic. You need to learn how to walk before you can run and you need to learn how to run before you try to fly. The fact of the matter is china has to actually attempt to go to space and attempt a moon landing before it can go forwards to explore the rest of space. Now that it has accomplished the moon landing china can do other things in space like attempt the flight to mars.

You see you're the type that always tries to nit pick and change the subject. The germans have pride. The japs have pride. Why don't they attempt a space trip? Because they cannot afford to. They don't have the capabilities to. Yet you're trying to put some noble reason behind their failure to attempt a space flight.


Btw this senetence here. "China needs to be internationally recognized as a developed and humane country before being accepted by the rest of the world"

Speaks of so much biasness. The rest of the world does not equal to the US. There are many many undeveloped countries less developed in the world than china. Brazil is undeveloped. The countries around this region are pretty undeveloped. Are they accepted by the rest of the world? There are many inhumane countries in the world. Saudi arabia is inhumane but it's accepted by the US.

See exposed your hypocrisy right here. I find it a joke since living in china is much much better than many other countries but somehow all because it's not up to par with some western european countries somehow it's not accepted by the rest of the world? So if we followed your logic all african countries, most asian countries, most south american countries are not accepted by the world correct? India isn't accepted by the rest of the world.

 

[Agoraphobic]

The world needs to contain the US of A and fill in the void left behind by the USSR. ............................

I fully agree with you on this. However, I think in the coming years, the hegemony of the US as a nation will slowly be taken over by the dominance of corporations (who may fund privatge armies). Just like the Roman Empire and Chinese Empires in the past, domination in the future will not have boundaries across land, but by laws and decrees that can be effected under a committee. Nations will still exist, but loyalty will slowly diminish. It makes no more sense to usurp wealth and resources to maintain armies when all they do is destroy things. The US is reeling from maintaing its aircraft carrier fleets over the world - how long more can they take this?

Cheers!

 

[sleaguepunter]

the CCCP are more interested in maintaining power than achieve global hegemony. They have to keep growth at 7% just to have enough jobs for each year gradutes. USA govt is just making PRC as a bogeyman in order keep its defense constractors afloat. PRC annual defense budget is only a fraction of USA defense budget yet that budget need to feed at least 2million men under arms while USA at most have 250k men and women. having a carrier does not mean prc can now sail to pearl harbour and do what the IJN did 70yrs ago. a carrier task force need modern aegis ships, asw ships, replenishment ships, nuclear attack boats etc etc which currently PLA Navy still lack and have to buy from russia or ukraine. and all these need at least 7-10 yrs of training before can consider operational.
so it not prc cannot do it, it will cost time and money which will better spend else where to improve the peasants way of life.

i really cannot see USA as prc competitor, not even japan. it another country prc must overtake in order to at least be a regional power. that why PRC die die must develop a good aviation engine plus radar and communication devices.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I thought the USA was the most holy god sent god fearing good nation in the entire world and there is no need to fear it?

Yes the US works only for its own interests. Countries that are on good terms with it like japan, korea, singapore don't mean jack shit to it if there are no advantages to be had. Did you know the US sabotaged many south american govts to keep itself as the strong man in the americas? I can bet if its closest allies like the UK for eg were to go against its interests the US would play them out too but hey for some reason the US is always seen as the good guy.

 

[jubilee1919]

the CCCP are more interested in maintaining power than achieve global hegemony. They have to keep growth at 7% just to have enough jobs for each year gradutes. USA govt is just making PRC as a bogeyman in order keep its defense constractors afloat. PRC annual defense budget is only a fraction of USA defense budget yet that budget need to feed at least 2million men under arms while USA at most have 250k men and women. having a carrier does not mean prc can now sail to pearl harbour and do what the IJN did 70yrs ago. a carrier task force need modern aegis ships, asw ships, replenishment ships, nuclear attack boats etc etc which currently PLA Navy still lack and have to buy from russia or ukraine. and all these need at least 7-10 yrs of training before can consider operational.
so it not prc cannot do it, it will cost time and money which will better spend else where to improve the peasants way of life.

i really cannot see USA as prc competitor, not even japan. it another country prc must overtake in order to at least be a regional power. that why PRC die die must develop a good aviation engine plus radar and communication devices.

A game that big boys play I suppose. Just as our gahman has to maintain a posture to be considered important enough to be invited to sit at the table on the world stage.

 

[Agoraphobic]

You're wrong dude. Space exploration allows humankind to explore the infinite space and to look for new resources or new avenues. Yeah sure you can look at it like china is doing it just for pride because they are doing what others have done before but here's the logic. You need to learn how to walk before you can run and you need to learn how to run before you try to fly. The fact of the matter is china has to actually attempt to go to space and attempt a moon landing before it can go forwards to explore the rest of space. Now that it has accomplished the moon landing china can do other things in space like attempt the flight to mars.


You see you're the type that always tries to nit pick and change the subject. The germans have pride. The japs have pride. Why don't they attempt a space trip? Because they cannot afford to. They don't have the capabilities to. Yet you're trying to put some noble reason behind their failure to attempt a space flight.


Btw this senetence here. "China needs to be internationally recognized as a developed and humane country before being accepted by the rest of the world"

Speaks of so much biasness. The rest of the world does not equal to the US. There are many many undeveloped countries less developed in the world than china. Brazil is undeveloped. The countries around this region are pretty undeveloped. Are they accepted by the rest of the world? There are many inhumane countries in the world. Saudi arabia is inhumane but it's accepted by the US.

See exposed your hypocrisy right here. I find it a joke since living in china is much much better than many other countries but somehow all because it's not up to par with some western european countries somehow it's not accepted by the rest of the world? So if we followed your logic all african countries, most asian countries, most south american countries are not accepted by the world correct? India isn't accepted by the rest of the world.

I think you've skewed what I am trying to project. I am not biased against PRC. (Unless it was against ROC).

Space exploration (for all the money spent) have not benefitted the taxpayer in any direct way - yet. Other that weapons development and some medical research companies. Why did the US end the Apollo project - because they have landed on the moon, ahead of the Soviet, mission accomplished!

The Germans and Japs, although advanced, are not ready for a further mission yet - it had to be continued by the

Yanks, with German technology. And to go further, the Yanks are going to need the partnership and cooperation of other nations - maybe the Chinese!

And maybe the Chinese are doing what they are doing now, and maybe, that recognition might be won. The case in this is the current International Space Station - why weren't they invited to be part of it when the plan was conceived? It is not a matter of national ideology. the Russians were different too, but they were a welcome partner - but because they had the Salyut rockets - proven and reliable technology. China then, had nothing to offer. Brazil only has soccer and coffee beans to offer. Saudi, since you brought that up, to me is the biggest crap country in the world, and the US is a prostitute to accept them.

I accpet the countries that have a reasonable law that is above everyone. Simple. Of course some places are more pleasant to live than other. And you don't need to get personal when it comes to debate.

 

[Agoraphobic]

I thought the USA was the most holy god sent god fearing good nation in the entire world and there is no need to fear it?

Yes the US works only for its own interests. Countries that are on good terms with it like japan, korea, singapore don't mean jack shit to it if there are no advantages to be had. Did you know the US sabotaged many south american govts to keep itself as the strong man in the americas? I can bet if its closest allies like the UK for eg were to go against its interests the US would play them out too but hey for some reason the US is always seen as the good guy.

Most of the American people are not war mongering shits like their politicians. Just like most Singaporeans are not like PAP shitheads. Politics is played for dominance, in that the US is advantaged and others disadvantaged (just like comparing LKY to Jeyaratnam). Of course the US politics would work towards thei favour. It is the weaker one's politicians who give in. That's how the Yanks maintain their standard of living. But I''ll say something for the people of the US, they don't wait for their leaders to tell then how to act, how to behave, they take it upon themselves to do the right thing, even if it means speaking out against their authorities.

Cheers!

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Most of the American people are not war mongering shits like their politicians. Just like most Singaporeans are not like PAP shitheads. Politics is played for dominance, in that the US is advantaged and others disadvantaged (just like comparing LKY to Jeyaratnam). Of course the US politics would work towards thei favour. It is the weaker one's politicians who give in. That's how the Yanks maintain their standard of living. But I''ll say something for the people of the US, they don't wait for their leaders to tell then how to act, how to behave, they take it upon themselves to do the right thing, even if it means speaking out against their authorities.

Cheers!

Oh sure i am sure what you have written about the american ppl similarly applies to china. Did you know there's a difference between the chinese citizens and the ccp? Yet i believe so far you have made the chinese ppl all seemingly of 1 entity of 1 mind like the ccp leaders are somehow mind controlling all the citizens in china like some huge evil super computer brain controlling a bunch of robots.

Btw i find it strange that you think it's perfectly all right for the US to sabotage other nations surrounding it so that americans can maintain their standard of living but if china were to do the same. Oh that's evil! Yet when americans do it perfectly fine. Mind explaining to me why do you think in this manner and pls don't deny it.


Oh serious? The americans all know how to act when americans are known as one of the dumbest people in the world? Chinese ppl also know how to act what. The tiananmen incident and the incidents on ccp corruption being exposed are well known yet if i were to ask you you would somehow say chinese citizens are all robots correct?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I think you've skewed what I am trying to project. I am not biased against PRC. (Unless it was against ROC).

Space exploration (for all the money spent) have not benefitted the taxpayer in any direct way - yet. Other that weapons development and some medical research companies. Why did the US end the Apollo project - because they have landed on the moon, ahead of the Soviet, mission accomplished!

The Germans and Japs, although advanced, are not ready for a further mission yet - it had to be continued by the

Yanks, with German technology. And to go further, the Yanks are going to need the partnership and cooperation of other nations - maybe the Chinese!

And maybe the Chinese are doing what they are doing now, and maybe, that recognition might be won. The case in this is the current International Space Station - why weren't they invited to be part of it when the plan was conceived? It is not a matter of national ideology. the Russians were different too, but they were a welcome partner - but because they had the Salyut rockets - proven and reliable technology. China then, had nothing to offer. Brazil only has soccer and coffee beans to offer. Saudi, since you brought that up, to me is the biggest crap country in the world, and the US is a prostitute to accept them.

I accpet the countries that have a reasonable law that is above everyone. Simple. Of course some places are more pleasant to live than other. And you don't need to get personal when it comes to debate.

I'm not getting personal at all but let's be honest we have to be responsible for terminology used. Like the way you put how china will not be accepted by the world unless it changes its ways. Hey comeon why do you write like this? The world isn't USA and only the US and some western nations aren't happy with the way china runs things. China runs things like how many nations run them. Even india which claims to be a democracy has a pretty authoritarian rule for eg. You see if you aren't careful or you use your terminology carelessly then i would need to question you about it.

It's good you think the US sucks for accepting saudi arabia i'll not question if it's genuine or not. The thing is when you start discussing about morality about how upright the US is well that isn't true at all like the case of saudi arabia where the US is willing to over look their draconian laws and embrace them as a friend simply because they have oil. That's isn't moral at all isn't it. Therefore to argue it from a moralistic viewpoint sounds rather silly.

As for the space station issue. OK maybe china doesn't have the technology to offer so they weren't invited but have you thought about this? Why don't they have the tech? Cos they just started space exploration. Correct? Do you agree? If they have just started it of course they wouldn't have anything new to offer. They would need to have a few more yrs of experience in space exploration before they can create new space technology. Agree? Yet remember what you were mocking china about? You were mocking china about using space exploration as a means of national pride and not for the good of mankind. Do you remember that? OK but here's the paradox. How in the hell do you expect china to bring anything new to the table like the Salyut rockets if they don't have their own space exploration. How?

You always seem to somehow totally go off tangent from the topic or like totally change the stance of your argument. Like you claim china has nothing new to offer for the space station. Well yeah how could they when they have just only recently reached the moon while US has done that 50 yrs ago. Then yet in your earlier post you were mocking china for doing this moon landing for the sake of national pride and yet in the post i am quoting you claim china has nothing new to offer thus the paradox.

 

[yellowarse]

the CCCP are more interested in maintaining power than achieve global hegemony.

You're half-right: the CCCP has to remain in power and they are not interested in global hegemony. BUT there's a 2nd competing priority: maintaining its territorial integrity.

The Chinese have long memories, and nightmares of land grabs by Western (and Japanese) powers during the crumbling Qing and early Republican eras still haunt them. That's why the PRC has such a delicate balancing act to perform: how to feed 1.3 billion people, and at the same time make sure no other power can humiliate China again by taking away its territories. Hence the need to channel funds into military development.

 

[Cestbon]

I'm not getting personal at all but let's be honest we have to be responsible for terminology used. Like the way you put how china will not be accepted by the world unless it changes its ways. Hey comeon why do you write like this? The world isn't USA and only the US and some western nations aren't happy with the way china runs things. China runs things like how many nations run them. Even india which claims to be a democracy has a pretty authoritarian rule for eg. You see if you aren't careful or you use your terminology carelessly then i would need to question you about it.

It's good you think the US sucks for accepting saudi arabia i'll not question if it's genuine or not. The thing is when you start discussing about morality about how upright the US is well that isn't true at all like the case of saudi arabia where the US is willing to over look their draconian laws and embrace them as a friend simply because they have oil. That's isn't moral at all isn't it. Therefore to argue it from a moralistic viewpoint sounds rather silly.

As for the space station issue. OK maybe china doesn't have the technology to offer so they weren't invited but have you thought about this? Why don't they have the tech? Cos they just started space exploration. Correct? Do you agree? If they have just started it of course they wouldn't have anything new to offer. They would need to have a few more yrs of experience in space exploration before they can create new space technology. Agree? Yet remember what you were mocking china about? You were mocking china about using space exploration as a means of national pride and not for the good of mankind. Do you remember that? OK but here's the paradox. How in the hell do you expect china to bring anything new to the table like the Salyut rockets if they don't have their own space exploration. How?

You always seem to somehow totally go off tangent from the topic or like totally change the stance of your argument. Like you claim china has nothing new to offer for the space station. Well yeah how could they when they have just only recently reached the moon while US has done that 50 yrs ago. Then yet in your earlier post you were mocking china for doing this moon landing for the sake of national pride and yet in the post i am quoting you claim china has nothing new to offer thus the paradox.

Ha ha India Democracy. Is worst than under British.
Train are suck, river are dirty with corpse ..................

 

[watchman8]

Actually military might is not the only consideration for a country to be a superpower. We are not discussing war between the 2 superpowers. I was correcting the impression that "China has a long way to go to catch up to be the top superpower." I said China is already a superpower 2nd to USA.

In terms of soft power, china is even lower than Korea.
In terms of financial might, china banks don't have the expertise and network.
In terms of education, china system sucks, and hardly anyone will want to study uni there, unless can get into the top 3 uni.

China is strong only in manufacturing, and that can be easily overtaken by other 3rd world countries. Indonesia, vietnam, and even Malaysia. Furthermore the manufacturing technologies are transferred from overseas, so once china cost competitiveness decline, the businessmen will ship out.

Very soon we will see the effect of china declining birth rate. This country is going into decline slowly but surely. World superpower ... Not even in our grand children's lifetime.