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Chernobyl - What Can Happen In Japan

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The Chernobyl disaster happened more than 25 years ago and today the full effects of the radiation are still being felt and experienced. What will happen in Japan is anyone's guess.:(:eek:

The world should move away from their dependence on nuclear energy.:oIo:

 
japan already kenna once after Hiroshima & Nagasaki where its citizens suffered for decades from the fallout...of cse, that will pale in comparison to what is installed for Japan.

Never trust the japs to tell the truth, human nature, you dun tell the whole story lest its shocking to proportions.

the so called commando-50 who still remained in the premises pumping out water, etc...can basically say sayonara....and those who living near the zone or eating the food , drinking the water and breathing the air...will know in 20 - 30 years time...during this period, they won't know, they will propagate and passed on the mutated genes..its like passing a time bomb from one generation to another...scary.
 
Chernobyl's incident was a good enough history; not to forget Fukushima's was much more times than Chernobyl.
The only refusal or self-denial shall result in realities to surface in 5 to 10 years later.
Had called off and avoided trips to that region... whatever sea food must be avoided.
It isnt about not trusting the Japanese... it is the mainstream media overall around the world.
For economic reasons, they surely would encourage one and all to visit and claiming everything is well and harmless. Go ahead...


http://www.naturalnews.com/032678_Fukushima_ocean.html
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/03/16/the-cantankerous-effects-from-japans-radiation/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/26/cynical-nuclear-power-japan-fukushima
 
Singapore is going ahead with nuclear isn't it?
Oh great! With thanks to the 60%, they cannot help to faster end future generations.
 
Singapore is going ahead with nuclear isn't it?
Oh great! With thanks to the 60%, they cannot help to faster end future generations.

i think we are definitely heading into that direction -otherwise, spend $$ do research for fuck.
 
I know they are gonna do nuclear in Singapore, just that the plain toot 60% are still kidding with themselves.


i think we are definitely heading into that direction -otherwise, spend $$ do research for fuck.
 
I know they are gonna do nuclear in Singapore, just that the plain toot 60% are still kidding with themselves.

objectively, nuclear offers a pollution free & efficient free manner of power generation - if managed properly. The key word is management properly.

we will definitely build one...like they say, underwater...

if there is ever a disaster - eg: terror attack (most likely option) -- then we are mushroom spores liao...

and second thing - CB Singpower will then peg the price of electricity to what? Price of uranium?
 
Until someone comes up with a better solution, Nuclear still represents our best energy source that doesn't kill the earth. Solar Power is still at least a few decades off of being a feasible replacement for current technology. Natural Gas and Coal will run out sooner rather then later and it will only get more expensive. Especially in SG context, no space, no natural resource like Wind, Water(hydropower) or Earth(thermal power) source we can depend on, going Nuclear still seem to only viable solution thus far.

On another note I dun even know why pple want to compare Fukushima to SG potential plans for any nuclear plants

1)Fukushima was built in 1967!!!!! Technology have improved since then
2)Fukushima plant design were later found to be flawed and improvements to counter that problem were available but not made
3)Even with the design flaw, it took what amounted to one of the strongest earthquake in recorded history to break it.
4)SG have next to no chance of ever getting an earthquake let alone one that goes beyond 9Mw

The only thing we need to worry about, like Red Amoeba said is a terrorist attack which actually brings up another recent topic, the ISA which is currently used for counter terrorism. Coincidentally it was mentioned in an article the last couple of days, SG and MY are the only countries with ISA-like laws and we are also the only countries that have yet to suffer a successful terrorist attack. Whether the law should stay is up for debate. The fact that the law was never used to lock up any political prisoners after 1966(Chia Thye Poh) lends credit to it's continual existence. Even if ISA was to be abolish, another counter terrorist law will have to be erected which according to an MY article might actually be worse then the ISA law.

Also Indonesia have been looking at Nuclear power for a long time, like LHL said, U dun do other pple also do. SG having a nuclear power plant post less of a danger to SG then Indon having a freaking nuclear power plant.
 
@char_azn - bro, think Indon already have nuclear pwer plant...Mudland said they are thinking of building one...

Knowing the Jap, when they built Fukushima, they would have factored in earthquake...but what they did not factor in was the magnitude..

its act of god...u can plan for 1000 contingencies, you just need the 1001 thing to unravel all your plans.

we dun have yet a nuclear power plant..but with so US naval ships docking here...we are already accommodating / coping with nuclear reactors liao...
 
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No lah. Indon haven't built. If they had I'd seriously look at migrating

Indon = Terrorist HQ + Home to every natural disaster known to man + "Fantastic record of Disaster and Risk Management" + "Incredible Record for good management" = Perfect formula for disaster!!!!!
 
No lah. Indon haven't built. If they had I'd seriously look at migrating

Indon = Terrorist HQ + Home to every natural disaster known to man + "Fantastic record of Disaster and Risk Management" + "Incredible Record for good management" = Perfect formula for disaster!!!!!

bro...

For research purposes, experimental nuclear reactors have already been built in Indonesia:
  1. Yogyakarta, Central Java. This is the Kartini nuclear research reactor.
  2. Serpong (Banten).This is the MPR RSG-GA Siwabessy research reactor.
  3. Bandung, West Java. This is the Triga Mark II nuclear research reactor.
 
Until someone comes up with a better solution, Nuclear still represents our best energy source that doesn't kill the earth. Solar Power is still at least a few decades off of being a feasible replacement for current technology. Natural Gas and Coal will run out sooner rather then later and it will only get more expensive. Especially in SG context, no space, no natural resource like Wind, Water(hydropower) or Earth(thermal power) source we can depend on, going Nuclear still seem to only viable solution thus far.

On another note I dun even know why pple want to compare Fukushima to SG potential plans for any nuclear plants

1)Fukushima was built in 1967!!!!! Technology have improved since then
2)Fukushima plant design were later found to be flawed and improvements to counter that problem were available but not made
3)Even with the design flaw, it took what amounted to one of the strongest earthquake in recorded history to break it.
4)SG have next to no chance of ever getting an earthquake let alone one that goes beyond 9Mw

The only thing we need to worry about, like Red Amoeba said is a terrorist attack which actually brings up another recent topic, the ISA which is currently used for counter terrorism. Coincidentally it was mentioned in an article the last couple of days, SG and MY are the only countries with ISA-like laws and we are also the only countries that have yet to suffer a successful terrorist attack. Whether the law should stay is up for debate. The fact that the law was never used to lock up any political prisoners after 1966(Chia Thye Poh) lends credit to it's continual existence. Even if ISA was to be abolish, another counter terrorist law will have to be erected which according to an MY article might actually be worse then the ISA law.

Also Indonesia have been looking at Nuclear power for a long time, like LHL said, U dun do other pple also do. SG having a nuclear power plant post less of a danger to SG then Indon having a freaking nuclear power plant.

Frens lets look at this from another perspective, (a) How much uranium is there in the world? I heard (please correct me if i am wrong) that its only about 50 years supply, some say 20.

(b)The resources used to built nuclear reactors, generates more green house gases than the actual running of the reactor. for example getting the iron ore processed etc etc. Also the water needed etc

(c) what happens to the waste? how to get rid of it?

I am not against nuclear but i believe that there are other options better than nuclear, for example if each HDB roof top has a wind mill (the new ones hor)
that will reduce power consumption by 20 % etc etc. However PAP will just charge u more etc..cos they are greedy,,yr power bills will never come down. same as fuel, fuel efficient cars PAP dont like as u use less fuel, PAP earns less tax,,,so environmentalism is not in the PAPs interest. Hopefully fission or is it fusion? will help in the future. Nuclear is obsolete technology pushed by commercial entities for rent seeking behaviour, same as fuel companies, the green tech is already there, but they will have no money to earn so they keep selling u the same shit so that u spend more..please watch 'Who Killed the electric car' and you know what i mean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_killed_the_electric_car
 
did japanese radiation finally reaches europe, maybe


Low levels of radioactive particles have been detected in the Czech Republic and in Europe, the UN nuclear agency has said.

The iodine-131 particles do not pose a public health risk, the International Atomic Energy Agency said.

The body said it was trying to work out where the particles had come from but said it did not believe the source was Japan's stricken Fukushima plant.

It said the Czech Republic had first informed them of the raised levels.

"The IAEA believes the current trace levels of iodine-131 that have been measured do not pose a public health risk and are not caused by the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident in Japan," the body said in a statement.

It said iodine-131 was a short-lived radioisotope with a radioactive decay half-life of about eight days.

The Czech nuclear security authority said it had been detecting radioactive iodine-131 at a number of monitoring stations since late October and had informed the IAEA to see if it could identify the source, Reuters reports.

Czech nuclear safety chief Dana Drabova said the iodine could have leaked during production of radiopharmaceuticals.

It was certainly not from a nuclear power plant, she said, adding that they were almost certain that the source was abroad.
 
Already reached the West Coast of America. It will be many years before those living in the hoptspots will have get the effects. The debris from Fukushimaya is nearing their shores and likely they are radioactive debris.
 
Nonsense ! LHL, The Genius Is Going To Build One Here

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The Chernobyl disaster happened more than 25 years ago and today the full effects of the radiation are still being felt and experienced. What will happen in Japan is anyone's guess.:(:eek:

The world should move away from their dependence on nuclear energy.:oIo:


An utter nonsense ! How can this be ? LHL, the genius is going to build one in Sinkingland. His father vouched that he has fully inherited his father's super gene that build Sinkingland from scratch.

You can be accused for spreading racism and some evil 'Marxist' plot in Sinkiesland.



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Re: Nonsense ! LHL, The Genius Is Going To Build One Here

Singapore is too tiny to withstand any incident that can happen. No matter how well it is designed and hpw good the operators are, there is some slight chance of an accident. I think the following will give the reader a better insight.

The Myth of a Reactor Explosion:

It is impossible for any PWR or LWR nuclear reactor to explode like an atomic bomb. This is because in order for an uncontrolled chain reaction to occur that is similar to an atom bomb, the uranium fuel must be extremely enriched, much more than the 4% 235U that is present in regular, commercial nuclear reactor fuel. So, if it can't explode, what does happen in a nuclear reactor? The answer is what is called a meltdown.

When a meltdown occurs in a reactor, the reactor "melts". That is, the temperature rises in the core so much that the fuel rods actually turn to liquid, like ice turns into water when heated. If the core continued to heat, the reactor would get so hot that the steel walls of the core would also melt. In a complete reactor meltdown, the extremely hot (about 2700� Celsius) molten uranium fuel rods would melt through the bottom of the reactor and actually sink about 50 feet into the earth beneath the power plant. The molten uranium would react with groundwater, producing large explosions of radioactive steam and debris that would affect nearby towns and population centers.

In general a nuclear meltdown would occurr if the reactor loses its coolant. This is what occured in the two disasters that we will discuss. Without coolant, the core's temperature would rise, resulting in the meltdown scenario we explained above.

You may be wondering, "Why can't they just drop the control rods in the reactor if it starts to get out of control?". The answer is that they can. The problem is that, even if the control rods are completely dropped in and the nuclear chain reaction stops, the reactor is still extremely hot and will not cool down unless coolant is put back in. The residual heat and the heat produced from the decay of the fission products are enough to drive the core's temperature up even if the nuclear chain reaction stops.

Three Mile Island Incident

No one was directly injured as a result of the accident. However, some radioactive gas and water were vented to the environment around the reactor. At one point, radioactive water was released into the Susquehanna river, which is a source of drinking water for nearby communities. No one is really sure what effects these radioactive releases might have had on people living near the power plant.

Chernobyl

During the days following the accident, hundreds of people worked to quell the reactor fire and the escape of radioactive materials. Liquid nitrogen was pumped into the reactor core to cool it down. Helicopters dumped neutron-absorbing materials into the exposed core to prevent it from going critical. Sand and other fire-fighting materials were also dropped into the core to help stop the graphite fire. All in all, over 5000(metric) tons of material were dropped into the core.

After the fires were brought under control, construction of what is called "the sarcophagus" began. The word "sarcophagus" is usually used to describe the elaborate coffins the ancient Egyptians used to entomb their dead. In this case, the sarcophagus is a structure erected from about 300,000 metric tons of concrete that surrounds the reactor. It was designed to contain the radioactive waste inside. It has served its purpose well, but, now, ten years after the accident, several flaws have been found in it. Holes have begun to appear in the roof, allowing rainwater to accumulate inside. This water can corrode the structure, further weakening it. Also, birds and other animals have been seen making homes in the sarcophagus. If they should ingest radioactive material, they could spread it around the countryside. Additionally, with time the sarcophagus has become worn down. It is conceivable that an intense event like an earthquake, tornado, or plane crash directly on the sarcophagus could lead to its collapse. This would be catastrophic, as radioactive dust would once again rain down on the surrounding areas. Scientists and engineers are working on ways to repair or replace the structure.

One of the great tragedies of the accident was that the Soviet government tried to cover it up. Clouds of fallout were traveling towards major population centers such as Minsk, and no one was warned. No one outside the Soviet Union knew about the accident until two days later, when scientists in Sweden detected massive amount of radiation being blown from the east.

The effects of the disaster at Chernobyl were very widespread. The World Health Organization (WHO) found that the radiation release from the Chernobyl accident was 200 times that of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombs combined. The fallout was also far-reaching. For a time, radiation levels in a Scotland were 10,000 times the norm. 30 lives were directly lost during the accident or within a few months after it. Many of these lives were those of the workers trying to put out the graphite fire and were lost from radiation poisoning.

The radiation released has also had long-term effects on the cancer incidence rate of the surrounding population. According to the Ukrainian Radiological Institute over 2500 deaths resulted from the Chernobyl incident. The WHO has found a significant increase in cancer in the surrounding area. For example, in 1986 (the year of the accident), 2 cases of childhood thyroid cancer occurred in the Gomel administrative district of the Ukraine (this is the region around the plant). In 1993 there were 42 cases, which is 21 times the rate in 1986. The rate of thyroid cancer is particularly high after the Chernobyl accident because much of the radiation was emitted in the form iodine-131, which collects in the thyroid gland, especially in young children. Other cancer incidence rates didn't seem to be affected. For example, leukemia was no more prevalent after the accident than before.

What caused the accident? This is a very hard question to answer. The obvious one is operator error. The operator was not very familiar with the reactor and hadn't been trained enough. Additionally, when the accident occurred, normal safety rules were not being followed because they were running a test. For example, regulations required that at least 15 control rods always remain in the reactor. When the explosion occurred, less than 10 were present. This happened because many of the rods were removed to raise power output. This was one of the direct causes of the accident. Also, the reactor itself was not designed well and was prone to abrupt and massive power surges.
 
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