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CCPee said nobody died during 1989 Tiananmen Massacre, this picture says otherwise.
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Same as PAPigs MPs always lyibelbut 61% sinkies believe, ka a brain wash
so many atrocities, yet still so much support. I really wonder what people are thinking?
People have short memory. Jus like japanese WWII n ME invasion. The media the culprit. But for 9/11 the West n anti Islam retard/media will ensure the news will be broadcasted ev anniversary!
Five thousand yrs of Brain washing, now brain dead.
The CCP regime has been gaslighting the world and its own people since 1949. Why do you think they have a Great Firewall of China? Even the use of Whatsapp is banned or restricted if you're in mainland China.
The Chicoms also love to portray themselves as the champions and custodians of Chinese traditions and values e.g. 'five thousand years blah blah'. In reality they have destroyed the most traditional Chinese culture. South Korea, Japan and Taiwan do a far better job of preserving what China used to be.
Wherever the commies go, they like to burn everything to the ground and then put revisionism on history to make 'approved history'.
The Chicoms also love to portray themselves as the champions and custodians of Chinese traditions and values e.g. 'five thousand years blah blah'. In reality they have destroyed the most traditional Chinese culture. South Korea, Japan and Taiwan do a far better job of preserving what China used to be.
Wherever the commies go, they like to burn everything to the ground and then put revisionism on history to make 'approved history'.
That's why I say CCP commicunts are the enemy of people in China. But there are leftist retards here still think CPP is good for China even after CCP killed millions more than the Japs in WW2. Talk about stupidity has no cure.
sounds about right.
fully agree with you.
and again!Wherever the commies go, they like to burn everything to the ground and then put revisionism on history to make 'approved history'.
Wherever the commies go, they like to burn everything to the ground and then put revisionism on history to make 'approved history'.
Same for US and western allies. Iraq, Lybia, Egypt, Syria....now Look....after invading Afghanistan, shitting tere for decades, now they decided to call it a day...leaving the place in total mess instead of helpg to rebuilt the economy as promised intial plan!
The 1989 tianammen massacre was the worst thing for tiongs as they gave rise to the hardliners n reformers were purged. Zhao Ziyang was incarcerated n democratic reforms were shelved. This also gave rise to the Toad n Winnie. Funny that ppl love to criticize the chicons for the massacre but dont blame the nutjobs for bringing about the tiong land of today.
'Tiong land of today'? Those skyscrapers, high-speed rails, highways etc? Sweatshop of the world?
Should thank the ang mohs for bringing China into the WTO. On hindsight, it was a mistake.
It's all an illusion... it's going away.
Tiong land bagus....soon to b lumpar 1 thanks to Beijing Biden.
When the ppl kpkb the tianammen shit... perhaps they should talk about Zhao Ziyang n how they bought about the rise of the hardliners.
Zhao Ziyang: The forgotten architect of China's economic reforms
By Interview: Lea Hedrich/shs | 14.01.2015
China's former premier Zhao Ziyang smiles at a reception when he shakes hands with Vice President George Bush in Washington. (Photo: File/AP/dapd)
In 1989, China's reformist premier Zhao was removed from power and put under house arrest after the Tiananmen protests. He died from a stroke in 2005, but his name remains a taboo in China, says Eberhard Sandschneider.
At the height of China's student-led democracy movement in 1989, the country's powerful Communist Party chief Zhao Ziyang went to Tiananmen Square on May 19 and requested the hunger strikers to go home. He reportedly said, "I came too late." The next day, the government declared martial law and Zhao disappeared.
Asia | 04.06.2014
Confronting the trauma
Paramilitary policemen look back while patrolling on the Tiananmen Sqaure in front of the late communist leader Mao Zedong's portrait in Beijing, China,
After the military crackdown on protesters in June, 1989, speculation was rife that Zhao had been stripped of power. A month later, he was ousted from the Communist Party. Zhao was placed under house arrest in Beijing until his death on January 17, 2005.
DW: What comes to your mind when you think of Zhao Ziyang?
Deutschland China Politikwissenschaftler Eberhard Sandschneider
Sandschneider: 'Whoever speaks of Zhao must also speak about Tiananmen Square'
Eberhard Sandschneider: Zhao was one of the founders of China's liberal economic policies. Together with another Chinese reformer, Deng Xiaoping, and the long-time Communist Party leader Hu Yaobang, Zhao steered the early stages of the country's agricultural and industrial reforms. Unfortunately, the whole thing came to an inglorious end after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.
Asia | 19.05.2014
A dangerous memory
A paramilitary soldier patrols near visitors posing for souvenir pictures at Tiananmen Square in Beijing, November 1, 2013 (Photo: REUTERS/Kim Kyung-Hoon)
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How do you assess his role and contribution to the country?
We can't talk about the reforms and their impact on China, and also its rise as an economic power, without mentioning Zhao. After moving to Beijing in 1978, he quickly took responsibility for reforms alongside Hu Yaobang, seeking inspiration from Deng Xiaoping. He was prime minister at the time and thus responsible for the implementation of those policies.
It's been ten years since Zhao's death. During this time, the Chinese government tried to keep his name out of public memory. Do you think Zhao is still relevant in China, especially to the younger generation?
I am not sure about the younger generations as they usually don't remember former politicians given the fast pace of modern life. They were too young when Zhao Ziyang was an important figure in Chinese politics. But I think the older generation, which remembers the pre-reform period and the early stages of economic changes in China, is aware of Zhao's significance.
The fact that his contribution is not discussed in Chinese media has to do with the tragic events of 1989 and his subsequent overthrow. He remained determined under house arrest, and so the Chinese leadership is extremely careful not to make him a public hero.
People's Republic of China
Do you think that this year the government will treat him any differently, considering it will soon be the tenth anniversary of his death on January 17?
No, I do not see any reason why they should change their stance about him. Whoever speaks of Zhao must also speak about Tiananmen. Also, I don't think the Chinese government attaches special importance to his death.
Is Beijing not willing to discuss him because it fears the memory of the Tiananmen Square's pro-democracy movement might be reignited?
Of course, it is highly risky. In 1989, the pro-democracy students died in the symbolic political heart of the country. The events that followed caused instability in the whole of China and within the Communist Party. I think most Chinese politicians are happy that they got away with it without major long-term consequences. Also, it is not in the nature of the Party to acknowledge such critical events.
Dr. Eberhard Sandschneider has been the Director of the Research Institute at the German Council on Foreign Relations, or DGAP, since August 2003.
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Zhao Ziyang: The forgotten architect of China's economic reforms
By Interview: Lea Hedrich/shs | 14.01.2015
China's former premier Zhao Ziyang smiles at a reception when he shakes hands with Vice President George Bush in Washington. (Photo: File/AP/dapd)
In 1989, China's reformist premier Zhao was removed from power and put under house arrest after the Tiananmen protests. He died from a stroke in 2005, but his name remains a taboo in China, says Eberhard Sandschneider.
At the height of China's student-led democracy movement in 1989, the country's powerful Communist Party chief Zhao Ziyang went to Tiananmen Square on May 19 and requested the hunger strikers to go home. He reportedly said, "I came too late." The next day, the government declared martial law and Zhao disappeared.
Asia | 04.06.2014
Confronting the trauma
Paramilitary policemen look back while patrolling on the Tiananmen Sqaure in front of the late communist leader Mao Zedong's portrait in Beijing, China,
After the military crackdown on protesters in June, 1989, speculation was rife that Zhao had been stripped of power. A month later, he was ousted from the Communist Party. Zhao was placed under house arrest in Beijing until his death on January 17, 2005.
DW: What comes to your mind when you think of Zhao Ziyang?
Deutschland China Politikwissenschaftler Eberhard Sandschneider
Sandschneider: 'Whoever speaks of Zhao must also speak about Tiananmen Square'
Eberhard Sandschneider: Zhao was one of the founders of China's liberal economic policies. Together with another Chinese reformer, Deng Xiaoping, and the long-time Communist Party leader Hu Yaobang, Zhao steered the early stages of the country's agricultural and industrial reforms. Unfortunately, the whole thing came to an inglorious end after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.
Asia | 19.05.2014
A dangerous memory
A paramilitary soldier patrols near visitors posing for souvenir pictures at Tiananmen Square in Beijing, November 1, 2013 (Photo: REUTERS/Kim Kyung-Hoon)
Advertisement
How do you assess his role and contribution to the country?
We can't talk about the reforms and their impact on China, and also its rise as an economic power, without mentioning Zhao. After moving to Beijing in 1978, he quickly took responsibility for reforms alongside Hu Yaobang, seeking inspiration from Deng Xiaoping. He was prime minister at the time and thus responsible for the implementation of those policies.
It's been ten years since Zhao's death. During this time, the Chinese government tried to keep his name out of public memory. Do you think Zhao is still relevant in China, especially to the younger generation?
I am not sure about the younger generations as they usually don't remember former politicians given the fast pace of modern life. They were too young when Zhao Ziyang was an important figure in Chinese politics. But I think the older generation, which remembers the pre-reform period and the early stages of economic changes in China, is aware of Zhao's significance.
The fact that his contribution is not discussed in Chinese media has to do with the tragic events of 1989 and his subsequent overthrow. He remained determined under house arrest, and so the Chinese leadership is extremely careful not to make him a public hero.
People's Republic of China
Do you think that this year the government will treat him any differently, considering it will soon be the tenth anniversary of his death on January 17?
No, I do not see any reason why they should change their stance about him. Whoever speaks of Zhao must also speak about Tiananmen. Also, I don't think the Chinese government attaches special importance to his death.
Is Beijing not willing to discuss him because it fears the memory of the Tiananmen Square's pro-democracy movement might be reignited?
Of course, it is highly risky. In 1989, the pro-democracy students died in the symbolic political heart of the country. The events that followed caused instability in the whole of China and within the Communist Party. I think most Chinese politicians are happy that they got away with it without major long-term consequences. Also, it is not in the nature of the Party to acknowledge such critical events.
Dr. Eberhard Sandschneider has been the Director of the Research Institute at the German Council on Foreign Relations, or DGAP, since August 2003.
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https://www.chinafile.com/conversation/what-would-china-look-today-had-zhao-ziyang-survived
What Would China Look Like Today Had Zhao Ziyang Survived?
A ChinaFile Conversation
by Julian B. Gewirtz, David Shambaugh, Tom Brokaw, Kristin Shi-Kupfer, Jean-Pierre Cabestan, Jaime A. FlorCruz, Jeffrey Wasserstrom
August 18, 2016
In late July, the Chinese University Press in Hong Kong released a trove of previously unpublished documents about Zhao Ziyang, the bold reformer who served as China’s premier (1980-1987) and Communist Party general secretary (1987-1989). Containing almost 500 documents that were smuggled out of China, The Collected Works of Zhao Ziyang, 1980-1989 (in Chinese) shows how Zhao led a decade of transformational economic reform and sketched-out plans for political reform. It cuts off shortly before he was stripped of his power and placed under house arrest after opposing the use of force against the student protesters in the spring of 1989. The ruling Chinese Communist Party has subsequently effaced his contributions; when he died in 2005, his short official obituary referred to him only as a “comrade,” not mentioning that he had helped lead the country for nearly 10 years. These four volumes, which are selling briskly, have renewed interest in Zhao’s time in power—and they offer an opportunity to imagine what might have been, had he not been purged in 1989. How should we assess his legacy, and what might China be like today under a Zhao administration, or under a leader who governed like Zhao did? —The Editors
What Would China Look Like Today Had Zhao Ziyang Survived?
A ChinaFile Conversation
by Julian B. Gewirtz, David Shambaugh, Tom Brokaw, Kristin Shi-Kupfer, Jean-Pierre Cabestan, Jaime A. FlorCruz, Jeffrey Wasserstrom
August 18, 2016
In late July, the Chinese University Press in Hong Kong released a trove of previously unpublished documents about Zhao Ziyang, the bold reformer who served as China’s premier (1980-1987) and Communist Party general secretary (1987-1989). Containing almost 500 documents that were smuggled out of China, The Collected Works of Zhao Ziyang, 1980-1989 (in Chinese) shows how Zhao led a decade of transformational economic reform and sketched-out plans for political reform. It cuts off shortly before he was stripped of his power and placed under house arrest after opposing the use of force against the student protesters in the spring of 1989. The ruling Chinese Communist Party has subsequently effaced his contributions; when he died in 2005, his short official obituary referred to him only as a “comrade,” not mentioning that he had helped lead the country for nearly 10 years. These four volumes, which are selling briskly, have renewed interest in Zhao’s time in power—and they offer an opportunity to imagine what might have been, had he not been purged in 1989. How should we assess his legacy, and what might China be like today under a Zhao administration, or under a leader who governed like Zhao did? —The Editors
Commie dogs are not supposed to think.
Younger Chinese in China have not even heard of Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang, let alone Tiananmen Incident.
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