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Cash Strapped Owners Sell High end condos below market price.

lubehsong

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Property price in Singapore is unlikely to crash because we are a small island and our land supply is very limited.

If the value of our residential property market corrects during this uncertain time, it's very healthy because then when the 2 IRs are opened for business in 2010, we can expect the property price to shoot upwards again.

The trouble in this forum is that many of you are super gloom and doom types.....like Dr Marc Faber.

I can only think of one reason.....and that is most of you have no vested interest. Right?

this is what ppl were saying back in 1997 before the asia financial crisis really hit hard.ppl got burned big time on property investment when property prices dropped almost 50% from the peaks.

when the two IRs open it will be swarmed by ppl for the first few weeks after that it will be swarmed by flies cos the novelty wears off and the much ancipated PRC gamblers are no where to be seen cos they are to weak to go elsewhere while nursing their wound caused by the financial crisis.
 

lifeafter41

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The problem is the so called public housing entity and some clever scholar sitting on top there is defining the term market value subsidy. For every round of increase in the base HDB price you will see the increase in HDB reasle price and it becomes a vicious circle.

The other problem is the population as a whole do not have any other choices, either you buy from them or your sleep in the street. That is why you are now seeing loans of 25 to 30years being the norm because of the astronomical prices of these flats.

It is a matter of time before the asset bubble burst and alot of people is going to be saddled with debts when it happens. It could be happening right now.
 

cass888

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The problem is the so called public housing entity and some clever scholar sitting on top there is defining the term market value subsidy. For every round of increase in the base HDB price you will see the increase in HDB reasle price and it becomes a vicious circle.

The reason this came about was because people wanted to be able to sell their flats on the open market. They can't have it both ways. If they want subsidised, then they should be made to return their flats to the government when they no longer need them.

But of course Singaporeans have that cheap and fresh mentality.
 

madmansg

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blah blah ***** n finality, this episode also highlights the inept leadership of Lee Hsien Loong. It shows how frail a proxy PM is when the PM has no power, and is relied on an aging man who's clearly out of touch. When a country has to depend on an 85 year old man who clearly cannot understand the new world as it is and as it will be, the country is in deep trouble.

Any more reasons on why the Lees have to go, eventually? Well, just look at the (lack of) economical leadership shown by PM Lee, and you would know.
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can summerise as NS IS KILLING SG.
 

sage

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Fat hope for those waiting for property market to collapse. High property prices will have to be maintained albeit some adjustments, technical and lull periods, in the new economic model. Focus now is peasants are to spend all that they made, nothing left in piggy bank and cpf, no left overs to pass down like before. Peasants are not allowed to take make from society than what they need to barely survive. So peasants are to work their whole life for high priced home and car which gives a continual boost to the economy. Only a small priviledged class can accumulate and pass on wealth and ensure lineage is further enriched, death duty has been removed.
 

lifeafter41

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The reason this came about was because people wanted to be able to sell their flats on the open market. They can't have it both ways. If they want subsidised, then they should be made to return their flats to the government when they no longer need them.

But of course Singaporeans have that cheap and fresh mentality.

You have to remember there are valuation done on these HDB flats and are appointed by who.
 

cass888

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You have to remember there are valuation done on these HDB flats and are appointed by who.

Valuation is based on the rules of the game. If the rule is that you have to return your flat rather than sell on open market, the valuation will automatically fall.
 

The_Latest_H

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The reason this came about was because people wanted to be able to sell their flats on the open market. They can't have it both ways. If they want subsidised, then they should be made to return their flats to the government when they no longer need them.

But of course Singaporeans have that cheap and fresh mentality.

I think HDB has to be run as a monopoly, but as a public monopoly. HDB is currently ran as a quasi-corporation with a monopoly share, and that means they start earning more money, by charging freehold prices for flats on 99 year lease.

But in return for HDB returning back to its roots as a public monopoly, the HDB must be reformed inside out, completely de-politicised(if there's any retired military officers employed there for a quick buck and a future political run, they should be sacked), and come under an independent board who will evaluate their performance, and their ethnicity level annually.

This is to ensure fairness, openess and transparency, and to reduce the amount of speculation in the public housing markets. There will be a less chance of a speculative bubble; people will pay reasonable prices; and they don't have to get into massive debt for over-leveraging their flats for a car, for example.

The only catch for Singaporeans is that with lower prices, they will have less financial collateral in which they can borrow more loans. But let's face it: its time Singaporeans save a bit money for a rainy day because they would have less debts to pay.

After all, HDB was created to provide public housing for people in the first place. It was not to fleece everyone of their hard-earned dollars. Its only right to return it back to its old ways. I'm not afraid to say that, in the context of this issue, I am proud to say I'm a traditionalist in this matter.
 

soikee

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Fat hope for those waiting for property market to collapse. High property prices will have to be maintained albeit some adjustments, technical and lull periods, in the new economic model. Focus now is peasants are to spend all that they made, nothing left in piggy bank and cpf, no left overs to pass down like before. Peasants are not allowed to take make from society than what they need to barely survive. So peasants are to work their whole life for high priced home and car which gives a continual boost to the economy. Only a small priviledged class can accumulate and pass on wealth and ensure lineage is further enriched, death duty has been removed.


Agree with you. Let all these losers here dream for property price to collapse. Even when it collapses these losers will just watch it passes by and then they start to grumble and whine again. They never learn to take the plunge!
 

angry_one

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lifeafter41

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Valuation is based on the rules of the game. If the rule is that you have to return your flat rather than sell on open market, the valuation will automatically fall.

The initial drive of Home ownership for all Singaporeean is a good one. Same goes for the aspiration to upgrade to a better or bigger one. It could be a better idea to sell the HDB back to the government instead, rather than the open market and buy the new flats from the HDB.

Will this work?.
 

sage

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Oct 21, 2008
Lone bid rejected by URA

THE Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) has rejected the only bid submitted for a transitional office site at Mohamed Sultan Road as the price offered was too low.

The lone bid of $4.65 million, which works out to $502.3 per sq m, was put in by RSP Architects Planners & Engineers (Pte) Ltd.

The tender for the 6,176.4 sq m site was launched on Aug 19 and closed on Oct 14.

The Land Parcel was offered for sale on a 15-year lease.


Got cash also cannot buy. Landlord very prudent and not selling when price expectation not met. Didnt MM said each peak higher than the previous. Take the cue.
 
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