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CCS?
Lawlence?
HongGan?
HSK?
or
LHL?
Be a man and resign. You've blood on your hands.
CCS?
Lawlence?
HongGan?
HSK?
or
LHL?
Be a man and resign. You've blood on your hands.
Can The Idiot Who Decided No Need Mask Own Up?
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KNN, those who hoard mask win liao!!! I have to go beg them for extra mask because I listened to the above idiotic ministers' advices not to wear and not to hoard masks recently.
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It's this ang mor that say no need wear masks
Education Minister listened to NUS foreign expert not to close schools earlier - The Online Citizen
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As early as Jan this year, Dr Dale Fisher who is a senior consultant at the Division of Infectious Diseases in National University Hospital (NUH) as well as WHO’s chair of the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network, told the media that wearing masks would give a false sense of security to people. He is also the group director of medicine at the National University Health System (NUHS).
In fact, he is deemed such an expert in Singapore that NUS School of Medicine even featured him in a cartoon series on its website meant to educate Singaporeans not to wear masks if one is well:
No real reason to close schools
In an interview with the media last month, Dr Fisher also said that children appear to be asymptomatic or less likely to be sick from COVID-19 than adults, which was why there was no real reason to close schools.
At the time, the Education Minister Ong Ye Kung was also reluctant to close schools despite seeing an increase in COVID-19 infections in Singapore.
Responding to parents’ concerns about reopening of schools after the 1-week March school holidays, Ong made a post on his Facebook page on 22 March to tell parents why he objected to school closures then.
He first acknowledged the many emails and messages he had received asking him to close schools in view of the COVID-19 outbreak. But he countered by citing scientific evidence, extra precautions, and a desire to reduce disruptions as key considerations in allowing students to resume classes.
He explained that there is a body of scientific evidence showing COVID-19 does not affect the young very much as compared to adults. Neither is there evidence to show that the young are vectors or spreaders of the virus, he said. The reverse appears to be the case, where the young get infected by adults at home, citing the advice he got from Dr Fisher.
“This is the advice of Prof Dale Fisher, Group Director of Medicine at NUHS and Chair of the WHO Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network,” Ong revealed.
“Indeed, for the small handful of our students (including those from Institutes of Higher Learning) who were infected, every single one caught it outside of their schools.”
“In this context, it may not be a bad idea for our children to spend the bulk of their day in school, where lessons and activities are arranged such that they mingle only with their classmates, who are less susceptible to the virus than adults. They will be quite a resilient group. If we close schools, many will not stay home, but may run around in the community and mingle with a lot more people, exposing themselves to more risk,” he added.
“In that sense, schools remain safe places for children, especially as they seem to be more resilient against the virus.”
While Ong thought that the young would not spread the virus to others, the UK authorities think otherwise. In fact, UK’s mainstream media The Guardian carried a report on 23 March, the same day that UK closed its schools, saying that children “can be infected with and appear to be able to transmit coronavirus, even if they do not have symptoms”.
Dr Graham Roberts, an honorary consultant pediatrician at the University of Southampton noted, “Many think that children are at low risk and we don’t need to worry about them, and yes, that is true for children who don’t have chronic medical conditions like immuno-deficiencies. What people are forgetting is that children are probably one of the main routes by which this infection is going to spread throughout the community.”
Nevertheless, last Friday (3 Apr), Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who is Ong’s boss, announced that most workplaces would be closed from Tues (7 Apr) and all schools would likewise be physically closed on Wed (8 Apr). Schools would move to full home-based learning, as Singapore puts in place a “circuit breaker” to preempt escalating coronavirus infections.
Dr Fisher studied in Singapore
In any case, it turns out that Dr Fisher actually studied at the United World College (UWC) in Singapore when he was a teenager. He later went back to Australia to study medicine at the University of Tasmania. He completed most of his specialist training in Sydney. He lived in Sydney for a few years before moving to Darwin to begin his work as a specialist at the Royal Darwin Hospital.
In 2003, he came to Singapore to investigate a potential position at NUH. The timing of his arrival was fortuitous as an infectious disease specialist, as Singapore began to experience SARS outbreak at the time. He took up permanent position at NUS and NUH in 2005. He is currently a Singapore PR but he sent his kids to UWC to study instead of the local schools in Singapore.
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Education Minister listened to NUS foreign expert not to close schools earlier - The Online Citizen
Correspondent
As early as Jan this year, Dr Dale Fisher who is a senior consultant at the Division of Infectious Diseases in National University Hospital (NUH) as well as WHO’s chair of the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network, told the media that wearing masks would give a false sense of security to people. He is also the group director of medicine at the National University Health System (NUHS).
In fact, he is deemed such an expert in Singapore that NUS School of Medicine even featured him in a cartoon series on its website meant to educate Singaporeans not to wear masks if one is well:
No real reason to close schools
In an interview with the media last month, Dr Fisher also said that children appear to be asymptomatic or less likely to be sick from COVID-19 than adults, which was why there was no real reason to close schools.
At the time, the Education Minister Ong Ye Kung was also reluctant to close schools despite seeing an increase in COVID-19 infections in Singapore.
Responding to parents’ concerns about reopening of schools after the 1-week March school holidays, Ong made a post on his Facebook page on 22 March to tell parents why he objected to school closures then.
He first acknowledged the many emails and messages he had received asking him to close schools in view of the COVID-19 outbreak. But he countered by citing scientific evidence, extra precautions, and a desire to reduce disruptions as key considerations in allowing students to resume classes.
He explained that there is a body of scientific evidence showing COVID-19 does not affect the young very much as compared to adults. Neither is there evidence to show that the young are vectors or spreaders of the virus, he said. The reverse appears to be the case, where the young get infected by adults at home, citing the advice he got from Dr Fisher.
“This is the advice of Prof Dale Fisher, Group Director of Medicine at NUHS and Chair of the WHO Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network,” Ong revealed.
“Indeed, for the small handful of our students (including those from Institutes of Higher Learning) who were infected, every single one caught it outside of their schools.”
“In this context, it may not be a bad idea for our children to spend the bulk of their day in school, where lessons and activities are arranged such that they mingle only with their classmates, who are less susceptible to the virus than adults. They will be quite a resilient group. If we close schools, many will not stay home, but may run around in the community and mingle with a lot more people, exposing themselves to more risk,” he added.
“In that sense, schools remain safe places for children, especially as they seem to be more resilient against the virus.”
While Ong thought that the young would not spread the virus to others, the UK authorities think otherwise. In fact, UK’s mainstream media The Guardian carried a report on 23 March, the same day that UK closed its schools, saying that children “can be infected with and appear to be able to transmit coronavirus, even if they do not have symptoms”.
Dr Graham Roberts, an honorary consultant pediatrician at the University of Southampton noted, “Many think that children are at low risk and we don’t need to worry about them, and yes, that is true for children who don’t have chronic medical conditions like immuno-deficiencies. What people are forgetting is that children are probably one of the main routes by which this infection is going to spread throughout the community.”
Nevertheless, last Friday (3 Apr), Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who is Ong’s boss, announced that most workplaces would be closed from Tues (7 Apr) and all schools would likewise be physically closed on Wed (8 Apr). Schools would move to full home-based learning, as Singapore puts in place a “circuit breaker” to preempt escalating coronavirus infections.
Dr Fisher studied in Singapore
In any case, it turns out that Dr Fisher actually studied at the United World College (UWC) in Singapore when he was a teenager. He later went back to Australia to study medicine at the University of Tasmania. He completed most of his specialist training in Sydney. He lived in Sydney for a few years before moving to Darwin to begin his work as a specialist at the Royal Darwin Hospital.
In 2003, he came to Singapore to investigate a potential position at NUH. The timing of his arrival was fortuitous as an infectious disease specialist, as Singapore began to experience SARS outbreak at the time. He took up permanent position at NUS and NUH in 2005. He is currently a Singapore PR but he sent his kids to UWC to study instead of the local schools in Singapore.
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THE real culprit.
What we can learn from Singapore's coronavirus tactics
Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, National University of Singapore
By Dale Fisher from the National University of Singapore
Singapore’s response to the coronavirus has been held up by many around the world as a model. As of this week, the country has reported over 300 total cases (with zero deaths), and its infection rate is much slower than the rest of the world.
The first thing that helped with its response was it was ready before the outbreak even occurred because of the SARS outbreak of 2002-03.
It was aware then that its infrastructure wasn’t ready for an outbreak of this kind. So, in the years since, isolation hospitals were built, more negative pressure rooms were created and legislation was put in place.
Then, on December 31, when the world first became aware of coronavirus in China, Singapore started to get prepared. By the time the World Health Organisation declared a public health emergency at the end of January, it was ready.
In February, Singapore made it clear again this virus had the potential to have major health, social and economic consequences. We knew that because we saw what happened in China. The virus brought a country of 1.4 billion people basically to its knees.
The rest of Asia was clearly frightened and scampering to get ready, too – Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea. There was no confusion in the minds of these countries what this virus could do.
Yet, still other parts of the world weren’t preparing.
The Conversation, CC BY-ND
Keeping people who test positive in hospitals
Looking at what we do differently today, I think the biggest one is Singapore didn’t let positive patients back into the community.
China also didn’t do that. Wuhan created 50,000 hospital beds in two big temporary hospitals. These weren’t hospitals for sick people, these were all the mild cases that Australia, Europe and US sends home.
Home quarantine is not easy. You’re not supposed to mix with your family, you’re supposed to have your own toilet, you’re not supposed to have visitors. If you’re going to keep people at home, you need to be really sure they’re not transmitting it.
In Singapore, we think it’s better to hive those people off and look after them elsewhere until the virus is clear. People with mild cases are kept in hospitals – we have enough space to put all the positives together.
If you’re going to look after people at home, how do you know they are complying with self-isolation rules? Are you doing phone tracking? Are you doing random checks regularly enough? Are there harsh enough penalties to frighten people from disobeying?
Singapore has contact tracing teams, who identify all the contacts of an infected person and ring them up. Often these people have early symptoms and we’ll arrange for them to be picked up and tested.
Singapore is very liberal with our testing. Less than 1% of our tests are positive, so that reflects just how many tests we are doing.
If people don’t have symptoms, they’re put in home quarantine. And home quarantine is very strict. A couple times a day, you’ll get an SMS and you have to click on a link that will show where your phone is.
In case you cheat and leave your phone at home with someone else, the government has people knocking on doors now and then. The penalties are pretty harsh.
The COVID Chronicles public awareness campaign. Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, National University of Singapore
Consistent, regular communication
We have been very strong on community engagement. The messages we send are: if you are sick, stay home. If you are sick and have had contact with a COVID-19 patient, come in for a test. If you can’t stay home and you have to go out, wear a mask. If you cough, cough into your elbow. Avoid crowds, particularly indoors.
To everyone else, we say social distancing. For restaurant and bar owners, try and reduce the number of people in your businesses. People know what to do and they know if there’s a lockdown, they’re going to be closed. There’s a lot of business and revenue to be lost.
Most restaurants, shopping malls and schools have remained open in Singapore during the pandemic. HOW HWEE YOUNG/EPA
Everyone understands and adapts. You know what happens when people don’t adapt - we end up closing things down.
The messaging has also been very strategic. There’s a cross-ministerial task force – we regard this as a whole of government issue, not just a health issue. The prime minister comes on television every couple weeks, the chair of the task force is now a well-known face. Messaging is generally limited to a small number of authoritative people
There’s great transparency. There’s already great faith in government, so that helps quite a bit.
The messaging from the government is also consistent – they provide the latest numbers and say what’s happening in other countries and what might need to be done in Singapore.
We also created a public awareness campaign with cartoons. This is an alternative medium people might connect with. They are very popular, with over 1 million viewings online. The World Health Organisation is now translating them into other languages.
The COVID Chronicles public awareness campaign. Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, National University of Singapore
Why Singapore isn’t in lockdown
It’s pretty well-known that children are asymptomatic or only have mild disease, so there was no real reason to close schools. If you close schools, what’s the trigger to reopen them?
In Singapore, we want life to go on as normal. We want businesses, churches, restaurants and schools to stay open. This is what success looks like. Everything goes forward with modifications as needed, and you keep doing this until there’s a vaccine or a treatment.
On testing, the threshold for getting a test is pretty low. For the first week, we tested only people from Wuhan or Hubei province, then we tested anyone who had been in China within the last 14 days.
By the end of January, all of our public hospitals could do tests. Then we moved to enhanced screening – we tested anyone coming to a hospital with a respiratory illness, anyone who had been in contact with a COVID-19 patient.
Now, it’s even become more liberal. If you’re a hospital staff member with a mild cold, we’ll give you a test.
But if you’re a normal person with no contacts with anybody and mild symptoms, we’d just send them home. You can get a medical certificate that allows you to stay home from work for five days. If you are a casual worker, there’s financial help with that, too.
Temperature testing at the entrance to a library. HOW HWEE YOUNG/EPA
Leadership needs to be organised
It’s nothing really fancy. We don’t have the magic answer here, we just do it well and efficiently.
It’s certainly more challenging to put these things in place in bigger countries with different political systems, but it just means people need to know their roles.
For instance, communicating to the nation should come from the national government, but the state level should talk about state-relevant things.
It’s really about leadership being organised enough to get the messaging right as a team. Then people will feel more comfortable and are much more likely to follow the rules.
Dale Fisher, Chair, Infection Control, National University Hospital, National University of Singapore
This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.
What we can learn from Singapore's coronavirus tactics
Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, National University of Singapore
By Dale Fisher from the National University of Singapore
Singapore’s response to the coronavirus has been held up by many around the world as a model. As of this week, the country has reported over 300 total cases (with zero deaths), and its infection rate is much slower than the rest of the world.
The first thing that helped with its response was it was ready before the outbreak even occurred because of the SARS outbreak of 2002-03.
It was aware then that its infrastructure wasn’t ready for an outbreak of this kind. So, in the years since, isolation hospitals were built, more negative pressure rooms were created and legislation was put in place.
Then, on December 31, when the world first became aware of coronavirus in China, Singapore started to get prepared. By the time the World Health Organisation declared a public health emergency at the end of January, it was ready.
In February, Singapore made it clear again this virus had the potential to have major health, social and economic consequences. We knew that because we saw what happened in China. The virus brought a country of 1.4 billion people basically to its knees.
The rest of Asia was clearly frightened and scampering to get ready, too – Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea. There was no confusion in the minds of these countries what this virus could do.
Yet, still other parts of the world weren’t preparing.
The Conversation, CC BY-ND
Keeping people who test positive in hospitals
Looking at what we do differently today, I think the biggest one is Singapore didn’t let positive patients back into the community.
China also didn’t do that. Wuhan created 50,000 hospital beds in two big temporary hospitals. These weren’t hospitals for sick people, these were all the mild cases that Australia, Europe and US sends home.
Home quarantine is not easy. You’re not supposed to mix with your family, you’re supposed to have your own toilet, you’re not supposed to have visitors. If you’re going to keep people at home, you need to be really sure they’re not transmitting it.
In Singapore, we think it’s better to hive those people off and look after them elsewhere until the virus is clear. People with mild cases are kept in hospitals – we have enough space to put all the positives together.
If you’re going to look after people at home, how do you know they are complying with self-isolation rules? Are you doing phone tracking? Are you doing random checks regularly enough? Are there harsh enough penalties to frighten people from disobeying?
Singapore has contact tracing teams, who identify all the contacts of an infected person and ring them up. Often these people have early symptoms and we’ll arrange for them to be picked up and tested.
Singapore is very liberal with our testing. Less than 1% of our tests are positive, so that reflects just how many tests we are doing.
If people don’t have symptoms, they’re put in home quarantine. And home quarantine is very strict. A couple times a day, you’ll get an SMS and you have to click on a link that will show where your phone is.
In case you cheat and leave your phone at home with someone else, the government has people knocking on doors now and then. The penalties are pretty harsh.
The COVID Chronicles public awareness campaign. Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, National University of Singapore
Consistent, regular communication
We have been very strong on community engagement. The messages we send are: if you are sick, stay home. If you are sick and have had contact with a COVID-19 patient, come in for a test. If you can’t stay home and you have to go out, wear a mask. If you cough, cough into your elbow. Avoid crowds, particularly indoors.
To everyone else, we say social distancing. For restaurant and bar owners, try and reduce the number of people in your businesses. People know what to do and they know if there’s a lockdown, they’re going to be closed. There’s a lot of business and revenue to be lost.
Most restaurants, shopping malls and schools have remained open in Singapore during the pandemic. HOW HWEE YOUNG/EPA
Everyone understands and adapts. You know what happens when people don’t adapt - we end up closing things down.
The messaging has also been very strategic. There’s a cross-ministerial task force – we regard this as a whole of government issue, not just a health issue. The prime minister comes on television every couple weeks, the chair of the task force is now a well-known face. Messaging is generally limited to a small number of authoritative people
There’s great transparency. There’s already great faith in government, so that helps quite a bit.
The messaging from the government is also consistent – they provide the latest numbers and say what’s happening in other countries and what might need to be done in Singapore.
We also created a public awareness campaign with cartoons. This is an alternative medium people might connect with. They are very popular, with over 1 million viewings online. The World Health Organisation is now translating them into other languages.
The COVID Chronicles public awareness campaign. Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, National University of Singapore
Why Singapore isn’t in lockdown
It’s pretty well-known that children are asymptomatic or only have mild disease, so there was no real reason to close schools. If you close schools, what’s the trigger to reopen them?
In Singapore, we want life to go on as normal. We want businesses, churches, restaurants and schools to stay open. This is what success looks like. Everything goes forward with modifications as needed, and you keep doing this until there’s a vaccine or a treatment.
On testing, the threshold for getting a test is pretty low. For the first week, we tested only people from Wuhan or Hubei province, then we tested anyone who had been in China within the last 14 days.
By the end of January, all of our public hospitals could do tests. Then we moved to enhanced screening – we tested anyone coming to a hospital with a respiratory illness, anyone who had been in contact with a COVID-19 patient.
Now, it’s even become more liberal. If you’re a hospital staff member with a mild cold, we’ll give you a test.
But if you’re a normal person with no contacts with anybody and mild symptoms, we’d just send them home. You can get a medical certificate that allows you to stay home from work for five days. If you are a casual worker, there’s financial help with that, too.
Temperature testing at the entrance to a library. HOW HWEE YOUNG/EPA
Leadership needs to be organised
It’s nothing really fancy. We don’t have the magic answer here, we just do it well and efficiently.
It’s certainly more challenging to put these things in place in bigger countries with different political systems, but it just means people need to know their roles.
For instance, communicating to the nation should come from the national government, but the state level should talk about state-relevant things.
It’s really about leadership being organised enough to get the messaging right as a team. Then people will feel more comfortable and are much more likely to follow the rules.
Dale Fisher, Chair, Infection Control, National University Hospital, National University of Singapore
This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.
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The Ang Mor talking big n praising singkieland....I wonder where he is now.
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Because of them, I don't have enough masks. Now using toilet paper and rubber bands. Cheebye!
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Wow, lots of awards. Are you sure he's a doctor?
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I knew all of these phua cheebyes were talking cock when they said only wear masks when unwell
there are 2 groups of outbreak causes due to this:
1) infected but not showing any symptoms
2) infected and have symptoms but don’t give a shit
the only way is to enforce the compulsory wearing of masks. But of cos the boat has sailed. PAP dogs will have to pay for it by losing votes.
there are 2 groups of outbreak causes due to this:
1) infected but not showing any symptoms
2) infected and have symptoms but don’t give a shit
the only way is to enforce the compulsory wearing of masks. But of cos the boat has sailed. PAP dogs will have to pay for it by losing votes.
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Y no answer ( All of the above)
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Thankfully, this will be presented to future generations when they learn history.
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So why has pap change its mind a forcing everyone to wear mask? Just shows the incompetence of pinky n gang
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