Can S'pore make car ownership fairer for the middle class?

[True Believer]

 

[Hightech88]

The PAP-Gov never has any intention to let commoners own cars fairly giving the excuse to encourage you to take public transport which keeps breaking down.

Irony is, even if 90% of all private cars suddenly disappear, PAP will try all means to recover the lost $Billions in revenue from COE/ERPs/Petrol/ARF taxes etc. by increasing GST further and through all kinds of ranjiao taxes.

In other words, PAP just want to siphon your monies as much as possible and fark you in the arse every day while enriching themselves and staying in power.

 

[jsctan]

The pledge no longer exists once making money takes over.
Give wrong people with power is the consequences all sinkies have to bear because of 65%.

 

[bobby]

A fairer way is to issue COEs for bidding by residential status….

80% of COEs for Sinkies and the other 20% for foreigners (including PRs). Let the 20% out bid themselves for a car and fund the gahmen kitty.

 

[True Believer]

The PAP-Gov never has any intention to let commoners own cars fairly giving the excuse to encourage you to take public transport which keeps breaking down.
Irony is, even if 90% of all private cars suddenly disappear, PAP will try all means to recover the lost $Billions in revenue from COE/ERPs/Petrol/ARF taxes etc. by increasing GST further and through all kinds of ranjiao taxes. In other words, PAP just want to siphon your monies as much as possible and fark you in the arse every day while enriching themselves and staying in power.

There is no end to the greed of the PAP.

 

[True Believer]

The pledge no longer exists once making money takes over. Give wrong people with power is the consequences all sinkies have to bear because of 65%.

 

[Leongsam]

Based on current prices, we have approached the day when only the top earners are able to possess a car. This makes car ownership even more attractive to those who can afford it. COE prices continue to climb, pricing out the average middle-class family. Owning a car is now an unrealistic dream for 90% of S'poreans. Is there a fairer way to distribute the limited number of COEs, or should it continue to be down to affordability?
https://theindependent.sg/coe-dream...-fairer-for-the-middle-class/#google_vignette

The COE system is DESIGNED to make cars unaffordable for all but the elite. It is the fairest system of all. Any other means of distributing COEs would mean that judgement calls have to be made as to who gets one. Who would make that call? What would the criteria be?

 

[True Believer]

The COE system is DESIGNED to make cars unaffordable for all but the elite. It is the fairest system of all. Any other means of distributing COEs would mean that judgement calls have to be made as to who gets one. Who would make that call? What would the criteria be?

I agree with you 100%. The govt doesn't want a levelling down of talent; they prefer the people to level up in a survival of the richest. Those who aspire to the 5Cs must work harder, be smarter, outlast and outsmart others who want to buy a car.

 

[True Believer]

The pledge no longer exists once making money takes over.
Give wrong people with power is the consequences all sinkies have to bear because of 65%.

I believe LKY once said that the govt has pledged to provide housing and transport to the people, but not a house/condo or car to every S'porean.

 

[laksaboy]

Wheelchair ownership will be affordable for all. No need for COE or ERP.

 

[True Believer]

Wheelchair ownership will be affordable for all. No need for COE or ERP.

Over in Malaysia, crutches and wheelchairs are provided for the majority. In time, their entire body will be too weak to move around without a stretcher.

 

[Leongsam]

A fairer way is to issue COEs for bidding by residential status….

80% of COEs for Sinkies and the other 20% for foreigners (including PRs). Let the 20% out bid themselves for a car and fund the gahmen kitty.

That will do nothing to bring the price down but will most certainly lead to all sorts of distortions as market forces create opportunities for even more money to be made.

 

[Loofydralb]

Based on current prices, we have approached the day when only the top earners are able to possess a car. This makes car ownership even more attractive to those who can afford it. COE prices continue to climb, pricing out the average middle-class family. Owning a car is now an unrealistic dream for 90% of S'poreans. Is there a fairer way to distribute the limited number of COEs, or should it continue to be down to affordability?
https://theindependent.sg/coe-dream...-fairer-for-the-middle-class/#google_vignette

Migrate you idiots!
First you voted for PAP.
Now you're begging them for scraps?
Have you no dignity and self respect?

 

[sbfuncle]

The COE system is DESIGNED to make cars unaffordable for all but the elite. It is the fairest system of all. Any other means of distributing COEs would mean that judgement calls have to be made as to who gets one. Who would make that call? What would the criteria be?

The coe and car issues in sg is a very simple matter made complicated by pap and oppies in the parliament.
Leeson is that the gov is not honest.

1. Gov need to state their objective and priorities clearly first, before anything else can be implemented. Becos if the objectives and priorities are not well defined, the problems & arguments can never be leesolved.

2. It is a fact that sg land and road is scarce, so the rule should not just freely allowing anyone to own a car. There is no need for argument on this.

3. Leeference to pt 1, if the gov wants to prioritise money in their pocket, a coe system is needed, so that only the elite and any sinkies who are non elite, but want to have this luxury, they can choose to pay for it.
If the gov wants to prioritise sinkies affordability, then do away with coe system and do a balloting system.

4. If the gov leecided to prioritise their own pocket first, the next issue would be, how about taxis and PHVs?
Gov will need to have a separate coe bidding system, one for pte ownership, and one for business usage.
Which means, if a vehicle is bidded in this category, they will not be allowed to use it for pte. It needs to have a separate car plates indicator like eg a goods vehicle. With G plate.
Any user caught with misuse will be heavily fined and yellow card given.
Red card to be issued for the unleepentant.

5. If the gov leecided to prioritise sinkies welfare over money, then a lucky draw balloting is needed. This lucky draw ticket can last for say 5 years, to allow lucky sinkies to own a car, for a x period of their lifetime, then let god leecides again, the next round who can own it.
Again, separate this balloting with the business owners, and again, the heavy fines and yellow red card rule still applies.

Problem solved with using a clear mind.

 

[cocobobo]

Why the hell should they?

It's never meant to be fair. It's to maximise tax revenue

 

[Loofydralb]

The coe and car issues in sg is a very simple matter made complicated by pap and oppies in the parliament.
Leeson is that the gov is not honest.

1. Gov need to state their objective and priorities clearly first, before anything else can be implemented. Becos if the objectives and priorities are not well defined, the problems & arguments can never be leesolved.

2. It is a fact that sg land and road is scarce, so the rule should not just freely allowing anyone to own a car. There is no need for argument on this.

3. Leeference to pt 1, if the gov wants to prioritise money in their pocket, a coe system is needed, so that only the elite and any sinkies who are non elite, but want to have this luxury, they can choose to pay for it.
If the gov wants to prioritise sinkies affordability, then do away with coe system and do a balloting system.

4. If the gov leecided to prioritise their own pocket first, the next issue would be, how about taxis and PHVs?
Gov will need to have a separate coe bidding system, one for pte ownership, and one for business usage.
Which means, if a vehicle is bidded in this category, they will not be allowed to use it for pte. It needs to have a separate car plates indicator like eg a goods vehicle. With G plate.
Any user caught with misuse will be heavily fined and yellow card given.
Red card to be issued for the unleepentant.

5. If the gov leecided to prioritise sinkies welfare over money, then a lucky draw balloting is needed. This lucky draw ticket can last for say 5 years, to allow lucky sinkies to own a car, for a x period of their lifetime, then let god leecides again, the next round who can own it.
Again, separate this balloting with the business owners, and again, the heavy fines and yellow red card rule still applies.

Problem solved with using a clear mind.

Uncle you another nonsense. So old and yet still so daft?
Politicians lie. Without lies they get kicked out.
And here you are wanting them to speak the truth?

 

[syed putra]

When I was a young father ferrying my children to their grandparents' house, kindergarten, primary school, clinic etc., I never considered my car a luxury, but a godsend on stormy mornings when the rain was relentless.

That was before PAP flooded the country with economically beneficial professionals, educators, high end skilled persons and relocated businesses.

 

[sbfuncle]

The COE system is DESIGNED to make cars unaffordable for all but the elite. It is the fairest system of all. Any other means of distributing COEs would mean that judgement calls have to be made as to who gets one. Who would make that call? What would the criteria be?

The coe and car issues in sg is a very simple matter made complicated by pap and oppies in the parliament.
Leeson is that the gov is not honest.

1. Gov need to state their objective and priorities clearly first, before anything else can be implemented. Becos if the objectives and priorities are not well defined, the problems & arguments can never be leesolved.

2. It is a fact that sg land and road is scarce, so the rule should not just freely allowing anyone to own a car. There is no need for argument on this.

3. Leeference to pt 1, if the gov wants to prioritise money in their pocket, a coe system is needed, so that only the elite and any sinkies who are non elite, but want to have this luxury, they can choose to pay for it.
If the gov wants to prioritise sinkies affordability, then do away with coe system and do a balloting system.

4. If the gov leecided to prioritise their own pocket first, the next issue would be, how about taxis and PHVs?
Gov will need to have a separate coe bidding system, one for pte ownership, and one for business usage.
Which means, if a vehicle is bidded in this category, they will not be allowed to use it for pte. It needs to have a separate car plates indicator like eg a goods vehicle. With G plate.
Any user caught with misuse will be heavily fined and yellow card given.
Red card to be issued for the unleepentant.

5. If the gov leecided to prioritise sinkies welfare over money, then a lucky draw balloting is needed. This lucky draw ticket can last for say 5 years, to allow lucky sinkies to own a car, for a x period of their lifetime, then let god leecides again, the next round who can own it.
Again, separate this balloting with the business owners, and again, the heavy fines and yellow red card rule still applies.

Problem solved with using a clear mind.

Just to add.

The current coe model appears that the gov wants to prioritise their pocket.
As such, the current rule works perfectly.

But the gov is missing something big.
Pap need to say it out loud.
I want money in my pocket.

Although this is just a simple statement, but this will make the rule clear and shut up sinkies mouth.

 

[sbfuncle]

Uncle you another nonsense. So old and yet still so daft?
Politicians lie. Without lies they get kicked out.
And here you are wanting them to speak the truth?

Yes, only the truth can leesolve a long standing issue.

 

[True Believer]

That was before PAP flooded the country with economically beneficial professionals, educators, high end skilled persons and relocated businesses.

If the govt is serious about reducing the cost of living in SG, expel most of the foreigners to reduce prices of homes, cars and just about everything else here. A population of 3.5 million is ideal for our small island.