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A Lion Air plane that crashed into the ocean off Indonesia carrying almost 200 people was brand new and had encountered a "technical issue" on its previous flight.
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  • The captain of the flight was one of two known foreigners on board
  • A Lion Air official says an incident on the previous flight had been "resolved according to procedure"
  • More than 20 bags of body parts have been collected from the scene
Flight JT610 — which had 189 people on board — lost contact 13 minutes after take-off, with witnesses reporting seeing it nosedive into the sea.
Rescue officials said they had recovered human remains from the crash site, in more than 30 metres of water about 15 kilometres off the coast.
Authorities told Metro TV that 24 bags containing body parts had been taken to a hospital for identification, with more expected overnight.
The Boeing 737 MAX 8 was flown for the first time on August 15, and the airline said it had been certified as airworthy before yesterday's flight by an engineer who was a specialist in Boeing models.
PHOTO Relatives of passengers on Lion Air flight JT610 gather at Halim Perdanakusuma International Airport in Jakarta.
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A long list of air safety incidents

The sadness in the Lion Air crash is that that no-one would really be shocked by it — the Indonesian aviation sector has a bad reputation for good reason, writes former Indonesian correspondent Samantha Hawley.
Lion Air chief executive Edward Sirait said yesterday the plane had encountered an unspecified "technical issue" on its previous flight, which was from the resort island of Bali to Jakarta, but this had been "resolved according to procedure".
"We don't dare to say what the facts are, or are not, yet," he said.
"We are also confused about the why, since it was a new plane."
BBC reported that a technical log from the Bali-Jakarta flight showed the plane had problems with "unreliable" instruments that forced the pilot to hand over to the first officer.
The Boeing 737 MAX 8 is the most recent model of Boeing's famous 737, the US company's best-selling plane, and is a popular choice among budget airlines around the world.
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Captain one of two known foreigners on board
The captain of yesterday's flight JT610 from Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang, the main town on Bangka, a beach-fringed island off Sumatra, was Bhavye Suneja, a 31-year-old Indian citizen originally from New Delhi.
He and an Italian passenger were the only known foreigners on board.
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According to his LinkedIn account, Mr Suneja had worked for Lion Air since 2011, clocking up some 6,000 flight hours.
Minutes after take-off at 6:20am local time, Mr Suneja reported technical difficulties and obtained permission from ground officials to return to base (RTB).
Data from FlightRadar24 shows the first sign of something amiss was around two minutes into the flight, when the plane had reached 2,000 feet.
The plane dropped more than 500 feet (152 metres), veered to the left and then started climbing again to 5,000 feet. It gained speed in the final moments before data was lost when it was at an altitude of 3,650 feet.
"An RTB was requested and had been approved but we're still trying to figure out the reason," Soerjanto Tjahjono, head of Indonesia's transport safety committee, told reporters, referring to the pilot's request.
"We hope the black box is not far from the main wreckage so it can be found soon," he said, referring to the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder.
A dozen accidents in two decades
Lion Air, a low-cost airline that dominates the domestic air travel market, has had more than a dozen accidents in its nearly 20-year history, but none with fatalities since 2004.
Indonesia is one of the world's fastest-growing aviation markets, but its safety record is patchy. If all aboard have died, the crash will be its second-worst air disaster since 1997, industry experts said.
PHOTO Wreckage retrieved from the water by workers on an offshore rig.
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Search and rescue agency head Muhmmad Syaugi told a media conference that no distress signal had been received from the aircraft's emergency transmitter.
Yusuf Latief, spokesman for the national search and rescue agency, said there were likely no survivors.
At least 23 Government officials, four employees of state tin miner PT Timah and three employees of a Timah subsidiary were on the plane.
Speaking at a hospital, tearful Finance Minister Sri Mulyani Indrawati paid tribute to the 21 officials from her ministry on the doomed flight who she said "died doing their duty".
'Wait and be brave'
PHOTO Lutfinani Eka Putri says her husband sent her a photo from the plane but stopped replying to her messages shortly afterwards.
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At Jakarta airport, tearful passengers waited for news: a mother urged her toddler son to "wait and be brave", another told her crying girl, "be patient, pray the best for Papa".
The only news that came, though, was of body parts and debris found floating in the water around the crash site.
Photos published by the search and rescue agency showed pictures of items belonging to passengers, including ID cards, a driving licence, and a pair of children's shoes.
One of the passengers was 22-year-old Deryl Fida Febrianto, who was married just two weeks ago and was on his way to Pangkal Pinang to work on a cruise ship.
His wife, Lutfinani Eka Putri, 23, said her husband messaged her from the aircraft at 6:12am, sending her a photo from the plane, and at 6:15am he stopped replying to her messages.
PHOTO A child's shoes stood out amongst the wreckage.
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They had grown up together, she told reporters, showing a picture of the smiling couple on their wedding day.
"When I saw the news, I matched the flight number with the ticket photo Deryl had sent," she said.
"I immediately started crying."
Underwater drone searching site
Bambang Suryo, operational director of the search and rescue agency, said divers, sonar vessels and an underwater drone were searching the site.
Boeing said it was deeply saddened by the loss and was ready to provide technical assistance for the investigation.
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Under international rules, the US National Transportation Safety Board will automatically assist with the inquiry, backed up by technical advisers from Boeing and US-French engine maker CFM International, co-owned by General Electric and Safran.
The plane was leased from CMIG Aviation Capital, an arm of China Minsheng Investment Group, according to the Flightglobal Ascend database.
President Joko Widodo ordered an investigation and urged Indonesians to "keep on praying".
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Shortly after a Lion Air passenger jet crashed into the sea off Jakarta yesterday, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade issued a warning to its staff.
Australian Government officials and contractors were ordered not to fly on Lion Air or their subsidiary airlines.
"The decision will be reviewed when the findings of the crash investigation are clear," the warning states on the SmartTraveller.gov.au website.
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Lion Air Group is made up of Lion Air and its subsidiaries Batik Air and Wings Air.
Batik Air has operated two flights a day between Perth and Denpasar in Bali since opening the route in June 2017.
The Australian public has not been given a similar warning by DFAT and may not be aware that Batik Air is a subsidiary of Lion Air.
Batik Air planes are serviced at the same Lion Air facility on Batam Island and flown by pilots employed by the Lion Air Group — Batik Air is Lion Air, just with different branding.
Indonesia's troubled aviation sector
As a journalist living in Indonesia, flying Lion Air was never a choice, but a necessity.
The role requires frequent air travel and there are limits to picking and choosing the airline of preference when travelling around the massive archipelago.
The sadness in the Lion Air crash is that that no-one would really be shocked by it — the Indonesian aviation sector has a bad reputation for good reason.
And will the latest crash change anything? Simply put, no.
Not in a nation where the aviation watchdog, the Director General of Civil Aviation, has proved time and again that it either cannot, will not, or does not know how to improve safety standards.
VIDEO 0:18Grieving relatives arrive at a crisis centre in Jakarta
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In 2015 myself and a team from the Foreign Correspondent program began investigating the country's troubled aviation sector.
We toured the Lion Air maintenance facility at its Batam Island base — a visually-impressive centre for an airline group experiencing enormous growth.
The Lion Air Group plans to have 700 jets by 2030, a massive expansion thanks to a huge jump in passenger numbers each year of about 15 per cent.
The company has done a lot to improve its safety record, including appointing international consultants, and ground has been made.
Lion Air was removed from the European Union blacklist in 2016, although it still only operates in and around South-East Asia.
It also had its safety record upgraded by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) this year.
A history of safety concerns
While it is unclear yet what caused the three-month-old Boeing 737 MAX 8 to crash, the deaths of 189 people has once again shone a spotlight on the airline's safety.
The same jet had experienced technical problems during a flight from Bali to Jakarta the night before the fatal crash. Lion Air will need to explain why it was not grounded.
Between 2002 to 2013 there have been at least 19 incidents involving the Lion Air Group in Indonesia. In one 2013 incident a pilot overran the runway in Bali and ended up in the ocean — fortunately everyone survived.
"Well of course there is always room for improvement, but we are committed to do it, we are committed," Group Safety and Quality director Jose Fernandez, who was recruited from Spain to improve Lion Air's record, told Foreign Correspondent in 2015.
It is up to Indonesia's aviation watchdog to change its culture and improve the standards across the sector, or air passengers will continue to be put at risk.
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KNN a couple of points.
1. will lion air be closing shop after this incident after a dozen cases over last decade. Are people still flying lion as of now ?KNN
2. will airline continue to employ india pilot ? will SIA continue to recruit and train indian pilot in india ? KNN
3. will you still travel on a budget flight ? KNN
4. what is the purpose of having oxygen mask in a plane KNN just to feel more at ease before death ? KNN
Why the emergency exit was not opened before it crashes at least chances of survival is higher jumping off the sea than giving oxygen KNN
 

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KNN a couple of points.
1. will lion air be closing shop after this incident after a dozen cases over last decade. Are people still flying lion as of now ?KNN
2. will airline continue to employ india pilot ? will SIA continue to recruit and train indian pilot in india ? KNN
3. will you still travel on a budget flight ? KNN
4. what is the purpose of having oxygen mask in a plane KNN just to feel more at ease before death ? KNN
Why the emergency exit was not opened before it crashes at least chances of survival is higher jumping off the sea than giving oxygen KNN
The answer to all your questions : Fate.
 

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The answer to all your questions : Fate.
KNN yes fate could answer most of it but particularly why emergency exit was not used in all air crashes procedure KNN then what is the point of having an emergency exit KNN war planes and helicopter pilot also abandon their plane before it crashes KNN
 

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The Lion Air plane crash that is believed to have killed all 189 people on board has raised questions about the airline's not-so-impressive track record with safety and who the driving forces behind the company are.
Despite its popularity in Indonesia, where it flies domestically, Lion Air has a string of safety and security incidents dotting its 18-year history.
But what most Australians might not know is that Lion Air's parent company has another airline — one that operates two flights a day between Australia and Indonesia.
PHOTO A Lion Air Boeing 737 crashed in the sea after overshooting the runway at Denpasar's main airport in April, 2013.
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So, who owns Lion Air?
The airline is part of the Lion Air Group, which owns several other airlines, including:
  • Wings Air — a domestic low-cost Indonesian airline
  • Batik Air — a full-service domestic and international airline marketed to middle-class passengers
  • Lion Bizjet — provides 24-hour private jet charters
  • Malindo Air — based in Malaysia
  • Thai Lion Air — based in Thailand
The group also owns a freight business called Lion Parcel, and hospitality business in Lion Hotel and Plaza, in Indonesia's north-west Sulawesi province.
The CEO of Lion Group, Rusdi Kirana, started the company with his brother Kusnan in 1999 with $1.2 million capital.
Before the Indonesian-Chinese brothers started the Lion Air Group, Mr Rusdi started out his career as a typewriter salesman and then a baking-ingredients salesman.
The brothers then ran a firm helping travellers to get passports and visas — a venture that let them to set up a travel agency named Lion Tour where Mr Rusdi's job was greeting passengers at arrival gates.
Upon realising the rise of online ticketing would put them out of business, the brothers decided to pool their savings and buy their first plane.
Forbes reported about $900,000 of that initial capital was used to lease his first plane, a Boeing 737-300. To save money, Mr Rusdi designed the airline logo and the stewardess uniforms.
Now, Lion Air has more than 110 aircrafts and flies more than 180 routes. Last year, the brothers were estimated by Forbes to be worth $1.4 billion.
In 2014, Mr Rusdi became the deputy chairman of the National Awakening Party (PKB).
On being a Christian in a Muslim party, Mr Rusdi told Forbes: "As a businessman I need access to the decision-makers, and it is hard to get that if I wasn't associated with a political party."​
Mr Rusdi was named Indonesia's ambassador to Malaysia in 2017 after serving as an advisor to Indonesian President Joko Widodo.
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But the airline hasn't exactly been a shining success
From 2002 to 2013, there were at least 19 incidents involving the Lion Group in Indonesia. The most serious include:
  • January 14, 2002: Lion Air Flight 386 crashes after trying to take off. Everyone survived but the entire aircraft was written off.
  • November 30, 2004: Lion Air Flight 538 crashes in Surakarta, killing 25 people.
  • March 4, 2006: Lion Air Flight 8987 crashed after landing and skidded off the runway. No one died but the plane was written off.
  • April 13, 2013: Lion Air Flight 907 overshot a landing and crashed into the water near Denpasar. Passengers and crew were evacuated.
A long list of air safety incidents

The sadness in the Lion Air crash is that no-one would really be shocked by it — the Indonesian aviation sector has a bad reputation for good reason, writes former Indonesian correspondent Samantha Hawley.
Lion Air was banned from flying to the United States and the European Union in 2007, but both bans have since been lifted.
Does it fly to Australia?
Nope. But Batik Air, another airline owned by the Lion Air Group, currently flies between Perth and Denpasar.
Batik Air planes go through the same maintenance facility on Batam Island that Lion Air does. As former South-East Asia correspondent Samantha Hawley said in her analysis, Batik Air is Lion Air, just with different branding.
But Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) said that doesn't mean Batik Air should be banned from Australia, or even investigated.​
A CASA spokesperson told us the airlines are considered separate companies — regardless of their parent company — and because Lion Air has no flights in or out of Australia, they have no reason or jurisdiction to investigate Batik Air.
Nevertheless, the spokesperson said CASA was watching the events closely and with great interest, but said it was too early to speculate about the cause of the latest crash considering the search is still on for the wreckage.
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The former aviation consultant and now chairman of Nauru Airlines Corporation, Trevor Jensen, said any gaps in management and safety procedures has to be investigated.
"When you look at the history, you've got to ask questions. When you have consistent failure, as we've seen, the questions need to be asked," Mr Jensen told News Breakfast.​
Questions have also been raised about the plane, an almost-brand-new Boeing 737 MAX 8, which was flown for the first time on August 15, and was certified as airworthy by the airline before yesterday's flight by an engineer who was a specialist in Boeing models.
Lion Air chief executive Edward Sirait said that plane had encountered another issue on its previous flight from Bali to Jakarta, but said that has been "resolved according to procedure".
Regarding the crash, Mr Sirait said: "We are also confused about the why, since it was a new plane".
Mr Jensen said investigators would be sure to look at the air-data system.
"Your airspeed and altitude require static and dynamic pressure. Those ports are on the side of the aircraft," he said.
Mr Jensen said if overnight maintenance hadn't removed all of the tapes on the aircraft, the ports could be blocked.
"When you look at the flight path that it flew, there is a consistency with unreliable air speed and altitude," he said.
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An Indonesian man who was supposed to board the ill-fated Lion Air plane that plunged into the sea with 189 people on board missed his flight because he was stuck in Jakarta's notorious traffic.

Sony Setiawan, an official in Indonesia's finance ministry, was planning to catch Flight JT610 from the capital to Depati Amir airport in Pangkal Pinang — an hour-long trip he and his colleagues made on a weekly basis.

However on Monday he was held up on a toll road for hours and arrived at Soekarno-Hatta airport at 6:20am (local time) — just as the doomed aircraft took off.

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Lion Air crash is the 'risk of transportation': Indonesia’s transport safety committee
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Chief of Indonesia's Lion Air flight JT610 search and rescue operations Muhammad Syaugi looks through recovered belongings believed to be from the crashed flight at Tanjung Priok port in Jakarta, Indonesia, October 30, 2018. REUTERS/Edgar Su
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JAKARTA: Accidents like the deadly crash of Lion Air flight JT610 are a "risk of transportation", said Indonesia's body charged with investigating transport safety deficiencies, a day after another mass-casualty aviation disaster in the country.
"Where there is transportation, there will be accidents. Everywhere it's like that," said Mr Haryo Satmiko, deputy chairman of the National Transportation Safety Committee (KNKT).

"This accident is sad and we are always working and hope that it will not happen again. Accidents are a risk of transportation."

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Rescue workers lay out recovered belongings believed to be from the crashed Lion Air flight JT610 at Tanjung Priok port in Jakarta, Indonesia on Oct 30, 2018. (Photo: Reuters)

He was responding to questions from reporters over the damage another deadly accident involving a local operator would do to Indonesia's aviation safety reputation.
There are currently no reports of any survivors from the crash of JT610, which had 189 passengers and crew on board.

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It comes less than four years after AirAsia flight QZ8501 crashed, also resulting in the deaths all of those on board, as well as other deadly fatal incidents over recent years.
“We need to pray more,” Mr Haryo said.
KNKT is in the early stages of what is likely to be a lengthy investigation into the cause of the crash, which occurred only 13 minutes after the near-new Boeing 373 Max 8 took off from Jakarta's Soekarno Hatta airport.
READ: Lion Air plane crash: What we know so far about flight JT610

It was bound for Pangkal Pinang, but after requesting to return to base, the aircraft lost radar contact and was seen falling nose first into the sea by nearby fisherman.
Aircraft accident investigator Ony Soerjo Wibowo said voice recordings between the pilot and flight control were being examined, including the requests to turn back, but he refused to divulge any further details about what was said.
“It takes quite a long time to do analysis, verify, evaluate and compare with other data,” he said.
A preliminary report is expected to take one month while the black box recordings, once located under the sea, could take one year to be analysed.
READ: Traffic saved Indonesian man from doomed Lion Air flight

PLANE WAS "ERRATIC" BEFORE FLIGHT
Early non-official analysis of the flight data suggests the speed and altitude of the plane were erratic before its plunge. The aircraft had also experienced issues with unreliable speed on its previous flight from Denpasar but was cleared to fly, according to Lion Air.
"Unreliable airspeed is basically when data on the captain's side doesn’t match the co-pilot’s side," said a professional pilot for another airline.
"Once you've diagnosed it, you need to isolate it so it doesn’t affect inputs to and from the flight control system, possibly something that wasn’t done," he said.
“With bad information in, it will give you bad information out. It’s possible the aircraft had trimmed all the way nose-down leading to the autopilot disconnecting and the inevitable dive."
READ: Indonesian rescuers retrieve body parts from Lion Air crash site

He said basic flying principles should have allowed the pilots to safely visually land the plane, but it was impossible to assess without information from the black box.

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Divers from national search and rescue agency Basarnas look for survivors and aircraft parts from Lion Air flight JT610 in the waters off Karawang, West Java. (Photo: BNPB Indonesia)


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Rescue team members on an inflatable raft head to the location where Lion Air flight JT610 crashed into the sea, in the north coast of Karawang regency, West Java province Indonesia, Oct 30, 2018. (Photo: Reuters/Beawiharta)

Mr Ony would not confirm whether investigators had checked the Lion Air log books or mechanical records of the aircraft to check on its clearance to fly following the earlier problems.
“The data is a secret. We will have to compare it with the data from the black box. What we infer from it, we will have to tell you later," Mr Ony said.
The pilot said if the speed test system had been repaired, the only testing that would have been performed on it following that would be electronically on the ground.
He suggested a test flight could have avoided a crash with a flight full of passengers.
SEARCH FOR BLACK BOX CONTINUES
Indonesia’s carriers have previously faced bans from flying in European Union and US airspace due to safety concerns. Seven Lion Air aircraft have been damaged beyond repair in accidents since the airline was founded in 1999, according to Aviation Safety Network.
The Australian government has advised officials and government employees not to fly with the airline, following the latest accident.

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A wallet belonging to a passenger of the ill-fated Lion Air flight JT 610 floats at sea in the waters north of Karawang, West Java province. (Photo: AFP/Arif Ariadi)


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Fourteen bags filled with debris from the crashed Lion Air jet have been collected. (Photo: AFP/Adek Berry)

Meanwhile, the search continued for the jet's main body, which crucially contains the black box, and potentially many of the passengers' bodies.
Indonesia’s search and rescue agency BASARNAS said Tuesday that finding it was the main priority and had deployed, with other agencies, 50 divers, a ping locator, a multibeam sonar and a rigid inflatable boat. The mission was continuing 24 hours around the clock.


Weather conditions were favourable for surface and underwater operations and were forecast to remain good for the next seven days.
READ: Lion Air crash: Families 'still hoping for a miracle' as search intensifies

At least 12 bodies have been recovered so far along with more than a dozen bags of personal belongings, including clothing, shoes, handbags, passports and phones.
Local media reported that more than 150 families had provided their DNA to assist with body identification.
New discoveries of plane debris were also brought to Jakarta's international container port where they were sent for further forensic examination.

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The captain of yesterday's flight JT610 from Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang, the main town on Bangka, a beach-fringed island off Sumatra, was Bhavye Suneja, a 31-year-old Indian citizen originally from New Delhi.

31-year old ...captain already. And Indian citizen. Part of the investigation should include reviewing the competency of both pilots.
 

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Lion Air plane crash: Possible location of fuselage located, officials say

A team searching for Indonesia's Lion Air Flight JT610 heard a "pinging sound" late Tuesday, possibly indicating they may have the seabed location of the doomed airliner's fuselage off Jakarta's coast. The Boeing 737 Max 8 jet, a plane put into service two months ago, plunged into the Java Sea moments after takeoff early Monday.

There were 189 people on board and they are all presumed dead.

Indonesia's military chief has said he believes the Flight JT610 has been found.

"Based on the presentation of the head of the National Search and Rescue Agency, the coordinates of the suspected body of the aircraft have been found," Hadi Tjahjanto told an Indonesian TV station. "We will send a team there to confirm," he added.

"Pinger locators" are being used to try to locate the so-called "black boxes" containing the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, according to the Reuters news agency.

"Yesterday afternoon, the team had heard a ping sound in a location at 35 meters depth," Haryo Satmiko, the deputy chief of the national transport safety panel, told Reuters, referring to a depth of 115 feet.

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JAKARTA: The technical director of Indonesian airline Lion Air who on Wednesday (Oct 31) was “relieved of his duties” over Monday morning's fatal crashhad been in his job for less than a month.
The airline confirmed that Muhammad Asif had been suspended and will be fired if shown to have any responsibility for flight JT610 plummeting into the sea just 13 minutes into its flight from Jakarta, with all 189 people on board likely killed.

Channel NewsAsia has learnt that Asif had only begun in this role with Lion Air in October, having previously worked for the group’s subsidiary Batik Air.




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A press release from the airline indicated that the decision to stand down Asif was based on an order from the sector’s overseeing regulator, Indonesia’s Ministry of Transport, who later clarified that Asif had not been terminated, but may return to the job pending an investigation.



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Lion Air has made few statements since the accident, one of a spate that has befallen the budget carrier since it began operations in 2008.

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Search and rescue crews continued 24-hour operation offshore from the Javan coastline in efforts to locate the main fuselage of the near-new Boeing 737 Max 8.


Military chief Hadi Tjahjanto told reporters that a breakthrough to retrieve the plane’s black box was close, after a pinger locator detected underwater signals, believed to be from the flight recorders, at a depth of 32 metres.
READ: ‘Everyone was crying’: Lion Air crash victims' families grow frustrated as authorities scramble for information

Earlier, the country’s search and rescue agency BASARNAS said it was investigating a large object found in the vicinity of the crash site.
“Based on the radius of our searching with sonar equipment we detected an object. Right now we have deployed around 100 divers in five spots,” said Didi Hamzar, the BASARNAS Director of Preparedness.
“We cannot guess. We predict the object is something big like our target. Our target is the main aircraft body. We cannot confirm it. We are still searching.”
He said the high speed the aircraft was travelling when it hit the sea, predicted to be close to 500km/h, had made it more difficult to detect its final location.
Despite good weather conditions, divers were hampered by poor underwater visibility that prevented them from making a visual sighting of the aircraft body.
“Visibility is very restricted, which is why the process is taking quite some time,” said National Transport Safety Commission accident investigator, Ony Suryo Wibowo.
The total number of bodies retrieved increased to at least 49, officials said, but very few of the remains were intact.

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Belongings and debris from the Lion Air flight JT 610 laid out. (Photo: Jackson Board)

DNA identification processes were ongoing and the first of the victims was named as 24-year-old civil servant Jannatun Cintya Dewi.
"We've examined 48 body bags of victim remains and we could identify one victim through primary identification, which is fingerprints and dental records," police brigadier-general Hudi Suryanto told reporters.
"The condition of the remains found were better than most so ... the identification is somewhat easier."
Authorities at the Bhayangkara Police Hospital, where bodies were being forensically processed, continued to call onfamily members of passengers on board to come forward to assist.
At Jakarta’s International Container Terminal, family members were seen closely scouring over a growing pile of personal belongings retrieved from the crash area, looking for any clothing or hand carry items their loved ones might have owned.
Most had stopped attending a makeshift crisis centre at Halim Airport as they wait anxiously for more information on the cause of one of Indonesia’s worst aviation disasters.
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Officials inspect personal belongings retrieved from the waters where Lion Air flight JT 610 is believed to have crashed.
PHOTO The recovery effort is well underway, after debris and passengers' belongings were found.
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Lion Air says there is no reason for the public to be scared of flying in its planes, as it tries to work out why one of them crashed on Monday, killing all 198 people on board.

7.30 was given a tour of Lion Air's Jakarta headquarters by the company's managing director, Captain Daniel Adi, in the hope of assuring us — and their millions of passengers — that the airline is safe, despite this week's disaster.

The airline has lost five planes in less than two decades.

Mr Adi said he trusted his engineers, his pilots and his planes, and did not know why Lion Air keeps crashing.

"These are the same questions with me. We have already tried to do our best to evaluate what happened," he said.

"Now is the second time we've been audited by IOSA (International Air Transport Association Operational Safety Audit) and we've passed, so for sure, why we have to be scared or don't want to fly with us? I don't know. There is no reason for that."

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7.30 was taken inside a high-tech cockpit simulator which was seeking to recreate the conditions that caused flight JT610 to crash into the Java Sea.

"We don't know what happened exactly, but we will try this exercise," instructor Captain Felix Kurniadi said.

Minutes after the simulated take-off there was an alarm. The pilot's and co-pilot's instruments were showing different measurements.

"You can see at this point, both of the air speed indicators are different," the instructor explained.

"Number one is 274, second is 302 knots. So the malfunction is already happening and our crew is trying to solve the problem."

The problem is significant. If the air-speed reading is not accurate, the autopilot — and its human master — have no way of ensuring the nose of the plane is pointed at the correct angle to keep it in the air.

In line with protocol, the co-pilot used an emergency instruction manual to read out the procedures, step by step, for the pilot to follow.

They managed to maintain altitude and the simulation ended with them landing safely back at Jakarta Airport.

This was only a rough estimation of the conditions that led to the crash. The real plane's black box flight recorder has now been recovered and will be analysed to try to determine what actually happened.

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As a business, Lion Air is a major success story. After just 18 years it now controls 52 per cent of Indonesia's domestic market, running 650 flights a day.

But its safety record has always been seen as a problem, despite a major investment in recent years to meet world standards.

Indonesia's Transport Minister Budi Karya Sumadi has stood down Lion Air's technical director and increased random maintenance checks for the company.

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A long list of air safety incidents
The sadness in the Lion Air crash is that no-one would really be shocked by it — the Indonesian aviation sector has a bad reputation for good reason, writes former Indonesian correspondent Samantha Hawley.
The Minister is also considering more regulation, which is a sensitive issue.

After the 2015 Air Asia crash, Indonesia brought in tougher penalties for safety breaches. But the crackdown was said to have discouraged engineers from reporting problems. And according to aviation analyst Gerry Soejatman, the result was that the country's aviation accident rate went up 80 per cent.

Mr Soejatman believes there is a much bigger issue at work — that Indonesia as a nation is simply not safety-conscious.

"When you work in an industry that requires a totally different safety culture, that does pose challenges," he said.

Mr Sumadi told 7.30 that is not the case.

"The culture has improved, he said.

"In the end the boss is responsible for any non-performed work from that situation."

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A Lion Air pilot who had control of the airline's ill-fated 737 the day before it crashed near Jakarta made a request to turn back to Bali because of technical problems, an airport official has confirmed.

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Herson, chief of the airport authority for the Bali-Nusa Tenggara area, told Reuters that after the alert the pilot updated the control tower to say that the plane was flying normally and he would not return to the airport as requested.

The pilot made the radio alert minutes after take-off, but they were overcome and he pushed on to Jakarta.

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A long list of air safety incidents
The sadness in the Lion Air crash is that no-one would really be shocked by it — the Indonesian aviation sector has a bad reputation for good reason, writes former Indonesian correspondent Samantha Hawley.
The same jet crashed on the next flight hours later, killing all 189 people on board.

"The captain himself was confident enough to fly to Jakarta from Denpasar," Mr Herson, who goes by one name, said.

The Denpasar-Jakarta flight landed at the Indonesian capital's airport at 10:55pm on Sunday (local time).

The same Boeing 737 MAX jet took off at 6:20am the next morning, bound for Bangka island, off Sumatra, and plunged into the sea 13 minutes later.

Just before the crash, the pilot had made a request to return to base.

A Lion Air spokesman declined to comment when asked about the alert on the earlier flight, citing the ongoing crash investigation.

PHOTO A family member cries at the funeral of a passenger of Lion Air flight JT610.
A family member cries at the funeral of Jannatun Cintya Dewi, a passenger of Lion Air flight JT610.
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The budget airline's CEO, Edward Sirait, said earlier this week that a technical problem had occurred on the Denpasar-Jakarta flight but it had been resolved "according to procedure".

The crash was the worst airline disaster in Indonesia in more than two decades and renewed concerns about safety in its fast-growing aviation industry, which was recently removed from European Union and US blacklists.

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Officials inspect personal belongings retrieved from the waters where Lion Air flight JT 610 is believed to have crashed.
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Indonesian officials have said that an essential memory unit found yesterday could hold important data about the cause of the fatal crash.

Divers yesterday recovered the Crash Survivable Memory Unit, which provides a crucial development in the investigation into what caused the two-month-old plane to plunge into the ocean earlier this week.

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National Transportation Safety Committee investigator Ony Soeryo Wibowo addressed media in Jakarta following the discovery, explaining that the particular piece of equipment was not recovered in its entirety.

However, he said that what they had managed to recover was associated with either the flight data recorder or cockpit voice recorder and contained "very important" data.

"It's very important, the data stored here, but we don't know yet what [it is]. Whether it is [the] flight data recorder or [the] cockpit voice recorder," he said.

The discovery followed the recovery of one of the two black boxes from the doomed plane, which was found in m&d on the sea floor among other debris.

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Navy personnel show the recovered flight data recorder of the Lion Air jet.
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Haryo Satmiko, deputy chief of Indonesia's transportation safety committee, told a media conference that the extent of damage to the device showed the "extraordinary impact" of the crash.

The Boeing 737 MAX 8 crashed early on Monday just minutes after take-off from the Indonesian capital Jakarta.

The plane's black boxes are expected to help explain why the almost-new Boeing jet went down in waters about 35 metres deep in the Java Sea.

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JAKARTA: An Indonesian diver involved in the search and rescue operation of Lion Air flight JT610 which crashed on Monday off West Java has died, an official said on Saturday (Nov 3).
The incident took place on Friday, after Syachrul Anto, 48, went missing and did not return to the surface after 4pm, when the search was called off due to failing light.

According to local news portal Merdeka.com, the dive mission’s team leader Bayu Wardoyo said the victim’s body was retrieved from the sea at 9.30pm (10.30pm, Singapore time).


“After that, he was immediately taken to the Koja Hospital, where he was declared dead,” he said. “He will be taken to a funeral home in Surabaya."
Syachrul had previously served in Palu which suffered from an earthquake and tsunami in September and also took part in the evacuation process of an AirAsia plane crash nearly four years ago.
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Commander of the Indonesian navy's search and rescue division Colonel Isswarto said that decompression issues may have caused the diver’s death, Merdeka.com reported.
"He was a volunteer with the national search and rescue agency Basarnas," said Isswarto.
The incident is being investigated by Basarnas.
Flight JT610 crashed shortly after take-offfrom Jakarta’s Soekarno-Hatta International Airport en route to Pangkal Pinang. All 189 people on board are believed to have died.
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JAKARTA: Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee (KNKT) said on Monday (Nov 5) an airspeed indicator of a Boeing Co 737 MAX plane that crashed last week killing all 189 people on board was damaged for its last four flights.
The damage was revealed after data had been downloaded from the plane's flight data recorder, KNKT chief Soerjanto Tjahjono told reporters, adding that it was asking Boeing and US authorities what action to take to prevent similar problems on this type of plane around the world.

"We are formulating, with NTSB and Boeing, detailed inspections regarding the airspeed indicator," he said, referring to the US National Transportation Safety Board.
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It was not immediately clear whether the reported problem stemmed from a mechanical or maintenance issue, nor whether US authorities would order any checks.
"We don't know yet where the problem lies, what repair has been done, what their reference books are, what components have been removed," said Nurcahyo Utomo, the KNKT sub-committee head for air accidents.
"These are the things we are trying to find out: what was the damage and how it was fixed."
Safety experts say it is too early to determine the cause of the crash on Monday last week of the Lion Air flight from Jakarta to the tin-mining town of Pangkal Pinang.
Authorities have yet to recover the jet's cockpit voice recorder from the sea floor, just northeast of Jakarta, where the plane crashed 13 minutes into its flight.
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The Indonesian navy and members of a search and rescue team lift the wheels of the ill-fated Lion Air flight JT610 after they were recovered from the sea on Nov 2, 2018. (Photo: AFP/Adek Berry)

Boeing declined to comment. The US manufacturer has delivered 219 737 MAX jets to customers globally, according to Boeing's website, and it has 4,564 orders for jets that have yet to be delivered.
The Boeing 737 MAX is a more fuel-efficient version of the manufacturer's popular single-aisle jet.
The Lion Air crash was the first involving the type of plane, which airlines introduced into service last year.
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JAKARTA: Indonesia is to launch a "special audit" of Lion Air's operations in the wake of last week's deadly crash that killed 189 people, the government said Monday (Nov 5).
The budget carrier has been a regular target of complaints about poor service, unreliable scheduling and safety issues, including a fatal 2004 crash.

That safety record has been under the microscope since a new Boeing 737-Max 8 plunged into the Java Sea just 12 minutes after taking off from Jakarta last Monday.
"We will...conduct a special audit of the crews' qualifications and staff communication," transportation minister Budi Karya Sumadi told reporters on Monday.
"This is a preventative measure... (The accident) is a very expensive lesson for us."
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Civil Aviation authorities in the United States and Europe were also being consulted for their help in the probe, he added.
Meanwhile, authorities have extended their search as they collect more body parts and shattered debris from the spot where the plane crashed during a routine one-hour flight from Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang.
Scores of body bags filled with remains have been collected and sent for DNA testing, but so far just 14 people have been identified.
Search and rescue agency head Muhammad Syaugi tearfully apologised on Monday as relatives'clamour for answers grew louder, with accusations that the pace of recovery is lagging.
"We are not perfect human beings," he said, sobbing. "We have flaws, but we doing the best we can."
The Lion Air investigation comes after Indonesia's government ordered an inspection of all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in the country.
All were found to be airworthy although two required repairs for "minor" problems.
The ministry had previously removed several Lion Air executives and technicians, saying they were needed to help authorities in the investigation.
READ: Commentary: Lion Air crash raises uncomfortable questions about Indonesia’s flight safety regime

A week after the disaster, there is still no answer as to what caused the crash.
Divers have pulled the plane's flight data recorder from the water, but are still hunting for the cockpit voice recorder - a key device that could provide clues to what caused the almost brand-new plane to plunge into the sea.
Lion Air's admission that the doomed jet had a technical issue on a previous flight - and the captain's request to turn back to the airport minutes before its fatal dive - have raised questions about whether it had faults specific to one of the world's newest and most advanced commercial passenger planes.
But the accident has also resurrected concerns about Indonesia's poor air safety record, which until recently saw its carriers facing years-long bans from entering European Union and US airspace.
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DIVING teams searching for the Lion Air plane wreckage have lost the signal from the aircraft’s cockpit voice recorder, a vital clue in determining what happened.

Muhammad Syaugi, head of Indonesia’s Search and Rescue Agency, Basarnas, said a “ping” from the recorder was heard on Saturday but “we don’t hear the ping signal today”, he told reporters yesterday.

“We checked that spot, located around 50 metres from the location of finding the first black box. But we can’t find the CVR (cockpit voice recorder) yet,” Syaugi said.

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CNN reports that finding the CVR is fundamental for investigators to figure out whether the fatal crash has implications for other airlines who operate the same plane.

It’s understood Virgin Australia has 30 Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes on order, with the first of them due to arrive in November next year.

The Lion Air Boeing 737 MAX 8 jet crashed just minutes after takeoff from Jakarta on October 29, killing all 189 people on board in the country’s worst airline disaster since 1997.

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Sixty-nine hours of flight data was downloaded from the jet’s flight data recorder, including from its fatal flight, JT610. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

Earlier, investigators succeeded in retrieving hours of data from the downed Lion Air jet’s flight recorder - different to the cockpit voice recorder - as Indonesian authorities extended the search at sea for victims and debris.

National Transportation Safety Committee deputy chairman Haryo Satmiko told a news conference that 69 hours of flight data was downloaded from the recorder, including its fatal flight, JT610.

What exactly went wrong has baffled aviation experts so far but the flight data recovered can hopefully provide some answers.

The first black box, the flight data recorder, was recovered by divers on Thursday in damaged condition and investigators said it required special handling to retrieve its information.

The second black box, the cockpit voice recorder, has not been recovered but searchers are focusing on a particular area based on another, albeit weak, locator signal.

National Search and Rescue Agency chief Muhammad Syaugi said the search operation, now in its 7th day and involving hundreds of personnel and dozens of ships, would continue for another three days.

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On of the divers, volunteer diver Syahrul Anto, tragically died during the mammoth search effort. Picture: APSource:AP

Mr Syaugi paid tribute to a volunteer diver, Syahrul Anto, who died during the search effort on Friday.

The family of the 48-year-old refused an autopsy and he was buried in Surabaya on Saturday.

More than 100 body bags of human remains had been recovered from the wreckage.

Mr Syaugi said the number would continue to increase and remains were also now washing up on land.

He said weak signals, potentially from the cockpit voice recorder, were traced to a location but an object hadn’t been found yet.

The device is thought to be around 50 metres from the main search area, where the water is only 30m deep, but ocean currents and m&d on the sea bed that is more than one-metre deep have complicated search efforts.

Officials move pieces of wreckage recovered from the crashed Lion Air jet for further investigation in Jakarta. They are still looking for the plane’s fuselage. Picture: AP
Officials move pieces of wreckage recovered from the crashed Lion Air jet for further investigation in Jakarta. They are still looking for the plane’s fuselage. Picture: APSource:AP

Flight tracking websites show the plane had erratic speed and altitude during its 13 minute flight and a previous flight the day before from Bali to Jakarta.

Passengers on the previous flight from Bali reported terrifying descents and in both cases the different cockpit crews requested to return to their departure airport shortly after takeoff.

Lion Air has claimed an undisclosed technical problem was fixed after the Bali fight.

Mr Syaugi said a considerable amount of aircraft “skin” was found on the sea floor but not a large intact part of its fuselage, as he’d indicated was possible on Saturday.

He and other top officials, including the military chief, plan to meet with families on Monday to explain the search operation.

Family members grieve after police handed over the remains of their relatives who died in the crash. All 189 people on board died. Picture: Getty
Family members grieve after police handed over the remains of their relatives who died in the crash. All 189 people on board died. Picture: GettySource:Getty Images

The Lion Air crash is the worst airline disaster in Indonesia since 1997, when 234 people died on a Garuda flight near Medan.

In December 2014, an AirAsia flight from Surabaya to Singapore plunged into the sea, killing all 162 on board.

Indonesian airlines were barred in 2007 from flying to Europe because of safety concerns, though several were allowed to resume services in the following decade. The ban was completely lifted in June. The US lifted a decade-long ban in 2016.

Lion Air is one of Indonesia’s youngest airlines but has grown rapidly, flying to dozens of domestic and international destinations. It has been expanding aggressively in Southeast Asia, a fast-growing region of more than 600 million people.


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