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BN may be guilty of massive electoral fraud

The_Hypocrite

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I just hope that cooler minds will prevail and not blame the Cina etc. But for the rural voters they will still believe BN as they have less access to the social media and BN control the traditional media which the rural people are dependent on. I really want to see how Najib and the Electoral Commissioner will handle the fraud etc. If its discovered the fraud is real bad than there will be mass protest and so on...really dont like it..

Try as they may but the Chinese won't be blamed this time as more Malays are waking up to the reality that it is the elitist malays that are their stumbling blocks. Majority of savvy younger Malaysians are rejecting the race based politic of yesteryears and the results shown appropriately. That's the reason why the Oppo did extremely well in urban area. Kit Siang thrashed the sitting MB by almost 17k majority and not all those votes were from Chinese.

The gov has complete media manipulations and even their newspapers such as Star and Utusan did not want to accept the opposition's advertisement. Even with such overwhelming resources, votes buying and gerrymandering, they failed to stem the tides of Pakatan's progress.

Pakatans are making inroads into safe BN states such as Johor, NS, Sabah and Sarawak.

BN's kleptocracy has its days numbered because there are just so much resources that they can steal.
 

kensington

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I just hope that cooler minds will prevail and not blame the Cina etc. But for the rural voters they will still believe BN as they have less access to the social media and BN control the traditional media which the rural people are dependent on. I really want to see how Najib and the Electoral Commissioner will handle the fraud etc. If its discovered the fraud is real bad than there will be mass protest and so on...really dont like it..


BN is trying to blame the Chinese but most are too savvy to fall into the race trap anymore. Any drastic moves by the gov are just going to blow back and there are just too many Malays distrustful of them playing the race cards.

If frauds are discovered, mass protests are a possibility but the Pakatan Malays will probably be at the forefronts like what they did in 2008 to avoid racial clashes. Those PAS Malays are very protective of other races despite all the bad mouthing they got from MCA all these years.
 

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Pakatans are making inroads into safe BN states such as Johor, NS, Sabah and Sarawak.

BN's kleptocracy has its days numbered because there are just so much resources that they can steal.

PAS is under-performing. they need to focus more on economy instead of religion. What works in kelantan doesn't appear to work elsewhere. Trengaggnu was one example and now Kedah.

PKR appears average. They serve as a bridge in the coalition between PAS and DAP. It appears that they don't have any charismatic leader to replace Anwar. And it may undermine their ability to lead the coalition in the long run.

DAP got to overcome the perception that they are chinese centric party. Chinese support for DAP has reach it saturation point and the party needs to win the support of Malay if they ever hope to reach a new height in the next GE. To do so, they can't depend on Chinese candidates and helpers to do the job, that doesn't has much legitimacy. The best person to talk to the Malay especially the rural malay is still Malay. DAP needs more Malay candidates.
 
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LeMans2011

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What happened to you? No access to TV or Internet. Pic of IC with Chinese name and Indian Photo, Old lady with the recent DOB, Bangladeshi queueing up, chased out of polling stations, voters who cannot cast their votes as someone has already done it for them, voters who residential address is used by others unknown to them etc. Candidate and polling agent not allowed into polling station.

This is unprecedented. Hard evidence.

Hard evidence all produced by unknown people on facebook? I suppose there is no need to authenticate 5hem as well.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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· A bus load of Bangladeshi voters arrive at a polling centre but they are stopped. In this video, the Bangladeshi workers were hauled down the bus and beaten up by an angry mob. Malaysia Election 2013 (GE13) - Bangla Voters Beaten: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0P6aTSv04ZU#!


· Another case of police car is trying to fetch the "ghost ballots" into counting centre. Police refuse to open the booth when civilians insists! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=370676959717857 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=552964334726309


· Bangla voters being welcomed by election officials at voting centre: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=556462847709665


· Half-way in the journey of transporting ballots to counting centre, there was mysterious change of ballots to another vehicle: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=123045904561176


· BN buying vote in perak caught on video (money can be clearly seen changing hands): https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=483744855013610


· PKR supporters block "phantom votes" from Lembah Pantai: http://www.kinitv.com/channel/8/Nb4TyLW3YVM?t=1367847601659


· Phantom voter turned away in Cheras: http://www.kinitv.com/channel/8/RSdW0VkGY2g?t=1367871045826


· PKR foils dubious voter in Pandan, report lodged: http://www.kinitv.com/channel/8/H46PifZhsfU?t=1367871110273


· Pemantau election observers arrested, denied legal access: http://www.kinitv.com/channel/8/iy-_dcCnBxI?t=1367871187815


· Incumbent Klang Parliamentary representative Charles Santiago reveals voter registration practises that amounts to fraud (during election rally): http://www.kinitv.com/channel/8/jGsLRmdGrsY?t=1367871274403


· BN supporters collecting their REWARDS after voting BN in: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=143326459188687


· Policemen openly consorting with Bangla voters: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=463422047070465


· SPR the staff knowingly violate the law, taking ballot slips out of polling station: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=121714008028724


· Someone caught voting for the 5th time: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4200477630756


· Bangla allowed to vote even without IC: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=537099176354413


· Report: 'Lembah Pantai voters getting BN cash for ballots': http://sg.news.yahoo.com/lembah-pantai-voters-getting-bn-cash-ballots-092948572.html


· Bangladeshi voter being caught at Kulai: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151563211662207


· Openly selling votes: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=188993817919946


· Investigation in Seremban: phantom voters registered in cemetery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWerYao_Gd0


· Electoral Roll problems in Klang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYk9RRtjJuE


· Report: 200 BN supporters getting upset in Taiping (outside UMNO office) for not being able to get the RM300 promised to them for voting BN: http://news.sinchew.com.my/node/294888?tid=1


· Bus load of phantom voters: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151351298856746


· This video was taken at 3.50pm by 1 of the citizen at Sungai siput (u), perak. Sungai buloh football field. A helicopter was seen with a MCA logo dropped 2 packages and SPR believed to contain ballot boxes in them: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151351236051746


· In Johor Bahru, a taxi was bring few bags of votes via the back road around 10.30pm. Public suspected it as a fraud vote and stopped the taxi from entering the vote counting area. After a 30 minute standoff, police manage to allow the vehicle deliver the votes: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151351208706746


· This is a real video of 3 buses bring a bus full of Bangla people for VOTING in Sungai siput: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151350571496746


· Bangla getting free money from Agents? She was spotted giving out free money for bangla to vote. You can see from this video, she has whispered something in his ears: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151350611286746
 
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scroobal

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Really sad to see these cases. Even the Senior Police Officers have lowered themselves to this extent. How come ballot boxes blatantly taken by taxi.
 

kingrant

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I think what BN has done will be nothing compared with what PAP does when they think they are going to lose the GE!

Remember they are calling in the Army and the tanks.
 
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In UMNO, there is a "dirty-tricks" team who is in charge of propaganda, election sabotage, cheating etc, in collusion with the Election Commission, Police and civil servants, and they have been around since ages, and they collaborated with the UMNO election machinery. The only thing about Najib in this election is that he does not full control of UMNO himself, and as such, if you follow carefully, Najib seeked a presidential style campaign, and in a way, it seeks to circumvent the UMNO machinery which he should likely know he will be 'sabotaged". What you are seeing in some of videos and news about this "cheating" are simply low-level operators working together under the orders of the UMNO warlords.

The results of this election speaks very well aimed to win but to be seen as worse as previous election 2008 . Najib won this election but at a lower majority, and he could not win Selangor state, and worse still, he lost further seats in that key state compared to 2008. Hence, this election, if guided by invisible hands, simply acted out as 'planned". In short, they are targeting Najib directly.

Immediately after the election results, some articles are already featured in the internet citing senior UMNO officials saying that Najib's days are numbered. To folks, it is just news, but to these political operators, they are using the social media to knife Najib.

As Najib has just 4 years in his term of office, he is likely to be ousted out and previously, he was part of the plot to oust Badawi. He could not last this political struggle as he was not meant to be around longer than one term. He just did not have enough funds to beat the masterminds in UMNO.

In UMNO which is Malaysian politics, it is all about money especially since the day Mahathir took power as PM. If you have money, you can influence the key warlords in UMNO and this small elite of a few thousands holds the power. Anybody who aspires to climb has to raise funds once they are in governmental positions, which explains why Sharizat, UMNO wanita chairperson, got $250 million for her husband to run a business which in short, for her, and why Badawi used his PM position to grant his son and son-in-law lots of business opportunities and contracts to raise funds, and why Najib got a cut in Scorpenes submarines contract for money. Almost every politician tries to raise money once he is in a position to do so. The list is very long and endless. When these scandals are exposed, you can guess it is your enemies or opponents in UMNO who leak out the news. So Sharizat in her moment of anger, made the off-the-cuff remark about her husband getting the money is "nothing new" and "almost everybody" does it. But her message is directed at her opponents - if they go any further, she would do likewise to "expose" them.

In a country when you get exposed in corruption scandal, the punishment is actually quite "light" especially if you are a top-level politician. The reason is that almost everybody is doing it, and each person if exposed, is meant as a a scapegoat, and if this goes on in a vicious circle, then continuing revelations will "kill" everyone. So these exposures will have some ending as they deal behind the doors, and so if you look carefully, almost everybody who got exposed, gets off lightly in the end.

No need to guess who are the masterminds in this campaign, and there are only 2 fellows who got the size of funds to orchestrate all these.

Notice how Kedah is convincingly won this time around, and you have an idea the loss to opposition in the last election was "likely" planned to stage a win this time around.

If Najib has full control, he would have planned a better result for himself. Nope, he didn't cos I reckoned the orders that were sent out, are not fully obeyed.

All these are "unknown" to the public, but to these political operators, they are playing this game, and in this case, Najib has "lost". Muhiddyin is just a part player, and eventually if he took over, he will just be like Najib - to last one term, unless he can maneuver better than Najib.

Najib, in all the calculations, has done whatever he could under this scenario. He is a cautious fellow by nature, and he did not take the gamble like Badawi to go after Mahathir, and as such, he did not do much against corruption or even the "token" attempts like Badawi. In reality, it is quite difficult to go against corruption and cronyism as long as this present Government is in control, in short UMNO. You are going against an institution which has built its tentacles into the civil service, police, military and into the whole political structure right down to the village and even more so, you are part of a process which you are enriched as well as a player.

As in all politics, the reason why there will be a fight, is that the folks in UMNO will split, and some would go over to the opposition, and there you have, these are the ones now fighting against corruption and cronyism as they are no longer in the political mainstream. Eventually some would make peace and go back to UMNO where there is money to be made - this is part and parcel of Malaysian politics. Anwar is at loggerheads with Mahathir, both men would never make peace especially when Anwar made a move to go after Mahathir when he was DPM. No surprise why Anwar was set free from prison under Badawi, which is to give him a free licence to go after Mahathir.
 
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The election results - be it if they are tainted by electoral fraud or not - clearly shows the urban and rural divide with the opposition having the majority of the popular vote, and it should be a clear signal to the opposition to work on the ground in the rural villages, etc. It will be hard work, but as I see it, it will be the only way to make any inroads into the strongholds which gave rise to the very system of patronage and crony politics within UMNO.

And Chinese Tsunami? What a joke. Sure the Chinese had voted overwhelmingly for DAP and the opposition but that is just trying to shift attention from the fact that there are enough Malaysians who will no longer fall for the divide and rule strategy (the existing one anyway) of BN and also they probably have enough of cronyism and corruption that is evident throughout UMNO.
 

The_Hypocrite

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The Chinese Tsunami is a diversion by BN to blame the chinese and stir racism like they always do. I have never seen why in the past the Cina vote for BN,,,BN is more racist than PAS and yet they think BN will safe guard their interest. In the end,,BN gives contracts etc to their crony companies,,if u are not associated with UMNO u are left to starve,,this is how UMNO treats the cina and the cina still vote for them,..by calling it the Chinese Tsunami, is that not racism?

The election results - be it if they are tainted by electoral fraud or not - clearly shows the urban and rural divide with the opposition having the majority of the popular vote, and it should be a clear signal to the opposition to work on the ground in the rural villages, etc. It will be hard work, but as I see it, it will be the only way to make any inroads into the strongholds which gave rise to the very system of patronage and crony politics within UMNO.

And Chinese Tsunami? What a joke. Sure the Chinese had voted overwhelmingly for DAP and the opposition but that is just trying to shift attention from the fact that there are enough Malaysians who will no longer fall for the divide and rule strategy (the existing one anyway) of BN and also they probably have enough of cronyism and corruption that is evident throughout UMNO.
 

captainxerox

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What happened to you? No access to TV or Internet. Pic of IC with Chinese name and Indian Photo, Old lady with the recent DOB, Bangladeshi queueing up, chased out of polling stations, voters who cannot cast their votes as someone has already done it for them, voters who residential address is used by others unknown to them etc. Candidate and polling agent not allowed into polling station.

This is unprecedented. Hard evidence.

should distance themselves from it still, while fanning it quietly. then they hedge their bets and let the ngos do the claims of vote fraud. besides, some evidence might be rumours and can be proven wrong. nobody knows what is going on there now as both sides surely not clean.
 

captainxerox

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The Chinese Tsunami is a diversion by BN to blame the chinese and stir racism like they always do. I have never seen why in the past the Cina vote for BN,,,BN is more racist than PAS and yet they think BN will safe guard their interest.

may 13 damocles sword over chinese. the old deal that is being reneged by bn, hence the chinse swing analysis, is that if chinese vote bn, the chinese get stability. in a way, protection money.
 
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captainxerox

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Hard evidence all produced by unknown people on facebook? I suppose there is no need to authenticate 5hem as well.

there is echo chamber and double standards. pro-bn would only believe pro-bn rumours. pro-pr would only believe pro-pr rumours.

if it goes against your convictions then it must be wrong, if aligned then must be right.

no need fact check on in this emotional ge 2013 lol
 

sleaguepunter

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not all chinese swing to the PRK parties, a big part still remain with BN, especially those 50yo and above. Parents are known to pressure children to vote BN in the 5 may GE. in term of grassroot activities, BN aka MCA aka MIC are much much better than PRK parties. BN know that but only using the so call chinese tsunami as an excuse.

personally, i think najib got screwed by umno warlords or whoever that have a big war chest. most of those bigshots who lose their seats belong to najib's camp while the others who have magic ballot boxes appearing last minute are mostly not najib's men. Many forumers in sbf make fun of Dr M but he show he can still win an election when he want it. 2008GE, DR M was saboing Badawi while this time, he make his son MB of Kedah while getting rid of Najib key allies in the Umno. Even at 8pm, it was known Kedah had fallen to BN while the votes were still counting. The biggest winner of this GE is chief minster Taib who BN cannot afford for him to jump into PRK boat. It will be interesting to see how najib survive the Umno party election at the later part of 2013. will we see a new PM of malaysia?

as for fraud really make a different? i dunno as it very difficult to fraud on massive scale when voters turnout is as high as 84%. But if BN really give Mykard to foreigners, i dont mind getting one to vote for BN. hehe.... not bad deal, free citizenship while still holding red passport.:biggrin: in fact, i pay them instead of they pay me to vote BN, somemore i can blend in with the true blue malaysian. As for national anthem test, just say i studied in singapore since kindergarten so dunno msia anthem also not strange. a few of my jb friends really cannot sing negaraku.:rolleyes:
 

ray_of_hope

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A cursory look at the results shows that out of the 3 PR parties only DAP gained seats. PKR and PAS lost 1 seat each. As such, there is some element of truth to what Najib said.
 

whoami

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A cursory look at the results shows that out of the 3 PR parties only DAP gained seats. PKR and PAS lost 1 seat each. As such, there is some element of truth to what Najib said.

Yup! Look at GP. 400K msians working in SinkieLand. I believe a large portion of them crossed over to vote for LKS.
 

loneshark

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Saw this on FB.
It does make sense.
James Yeang


So it's over. Congratulations Barisan Nasional for winning the elections. Congratulations Paka
tan Rakyat for winning the popular vote.

Thank you for coming out to vote. A turnout of more than 80% is something truly applaudable.

Here's one thing which may differ from what a lot of people are saying:

This was NOT a dirty elections day.
It was a reasonably fair elections day.
The elections system, in place since years ago however, is another story all together.

To all voters, you must understand that this happened because of ONE THING, and ONE THING ONLY. Deeply entrenched SPR gerrymandering, which has existed since eons ago, and is something we entered the elections fully aware of, with both eyes open, but were unable to overcome this round.

You should not be able to LOSE the popular vote and still win the elections by such a HUGE parliamentary margin.

Nothing else is a real major factor. Not the 'phantom voters' , not the vote buying, not the inaccurate electoral roll, not the scare tactics, not the postal votes.

All the 'dirty' tactics are in place as a distraction, nothing more.

Even if everything was cleaned up, and there was no vote buying, no phantom voters, no postal votes irregularities...

...PR would STILL LOSE (Lose less, but still lose).

Saying otherwise would be like saying you lost a 1 on 1 basketball game with Michael Jordan because you weren't wearing the right shoes, or had a bad breakfast.

WHY PAKATAN RAKYAT LOST:

The way our parliamentary system is drawn out is so that BN can retain power by winning the non urban areas in Malaysia.

BN can lose EVERY SINGLE MAJOR URBAN CITY, and STILL win the elections. BN segments the country into...

Places which you can't control with an iron fist, and people don't really need you (urban) - lump them into a few seats.

vs

Places which really, really need your little handouts (non-urban) - break them out into many seats.

You can win the Malaysian elections with less than 20% of the popular vote. This is not a secret.

This is why PR lost.

Previously when BN held the popular vote you could argue that it didn't matter because it's still the will of the people.

Now, you really can't, because for the first time in history, more people voted against BN, and it's really not the will of the people now, so gerrymandering sticks out like a sore thumb.

HOW BN KEEPS BLATANT GERRYMANDERING UNDER CONTROL

This issue is however, hidden in the claims of 'phantom voters' , vote buying, inaccurate electoral roll, scare tactics, postal votes.

BN throws up 5 intentionally bad election practices, PR picks up on it, and makes a big deal out of it.

BN ends up fixing (poorly) a couple of issues, and then claims elections reform. While everyone is so fixated about stopping Bangladeshis at polling stations, and extremely soluble indelible ink, no one really champions the gerrymandering to any great extent. Possibly because it's a much drier and less outrageous subject...

...and everybody forgets that if...
You can win the Malaysian elections with less than 20% of the popular vote.
...the 'bangla' in the corner doesn't really matter much.

It is highly likely that PR resources after today will be spread thin covering the numerous election issues rather than focusing on the one that REALLY counts.

So congratulations BN also for the amazing 'wag the dog' tactics over the years. I wish you'd put such electoral genius to good use in running the country.

ps. If you think this is too smart for BN, you're probably right.
This entire gerrymandering system was constructed before the previous 2 prime ministers. Everyone else in BN today is just reaping the 'benefits'.

ps. I'm not an armchair critic. I've done everything from voter registrations in shopping complexes to the entire slew of election duties in 3 elections.
 

Narong Wongwan

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But if BN really give Mykard to foreigners, i dont mind getting one to vote for BN. hehe.... not bad deal, free citizenship while still holding red passport.:biggrin: in fact, i pay them instead of they pay me to vote BN, somemore i can blend in with the true blue malaysian. As for national anthem test, just say i studied in singapore since kindergarten so dunno msia anthem also not strange. a few of my jb friends really cannot sing negaraku.:rolleyes:
i was thinking along the same lines...a black market one with name etched in national database back then used to cost RM$30K up.......but sekali this time due to heavy workload maybe you get one stuck with a bangla name and a birthdate that says you only 21 years old.
 

sleaguepunter

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i was thinking along the same lines...a black market one with name etched in national database back then used to cost RM$30K up.......but sekali this time due to heavy workload maybe you get one stuck with a bangla name and a birthdate that says you only 21 years old.

bangla name easy lah, just say adopted from young by keling, dunno who real parents. as for 21yo, it ok, i only 30+, just claimed "chao lao" somemore can claim 1malaysia benefit for youngster. win win..:biggrin:

BN give free MyKard liao, so dont complain to much.
 
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sleaguepunter

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Yup! Look at GP. 400K msians working in SinkieLand. I believe a large portion of them crossed over to vote for LKS.

400k not all johorian. most of the johor ppl already crossing the causeway everyday.these causeway crossers confirm go back to vote. it those who get PR here to buy flat type who from northern states that normally dont register to vote. most of them cannot be bother as whatever the result it wont bother them as they already staying in spore. most of them from KL and ipoh, a number of them did register to vote this time but it not hundred of thousands as claimed. my BIL as pahang PR, he cannot be bother. my son classmate father from melacca, he also didnt go back. even my colleague a msian also didnt go back as she claim confirm BN win so dont want to waste time and $$.
 
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