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Bloody NTUC wants Govt. to raise CPF.

Papsmearer

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Amir Hussain
Published: 13 February, 4:04 AM
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SINGAPORE — Ahead of the Budget statement next Friday, the National Trades Union Congress (NTUC) has called on the Government to raise the Central Provident Fund (CPF) contribution rates for workers aged from above 50 to 55 by one to two percentage points this year, to help them save more for retirement and healthcare.

While CPF rates were raised in 2012, there remains a 3.5-percentage-point difference between the rate for this cohort and those aged 50 and below. The total CPF contribution rate for those above 50 to 55 now stands at 32.5 per cent.

The NTUC also proposed yesterday that, over the longer term, total contributions to the CPF should also be increased across the board.

But with current employers’ contribution rates lower than that of employees across all age bands — except for those above 65 — the NTUC felt that it would be fair for employers’ contributions to increase more than those of employees. Any increase in employees’ contributions should also go into their Ordinary Accounts.

Speaking at a media briefing, NTUC Deputy Secretary-General Heng Chee How explained why the labour movement was calling on the Government to implement the CPF changes now.

“It is better to wait till a tight labour market … businesses already are factoring in the fact that in order to get the manpower, you have got to pay more ... and therefore, CPF cost is part of their overall wage cost, which will be under pressure in any case in a tight labour market,” he said.

The CPF rate for those aged 55 and below were cut in 2003, when the SARS health crisis triggered a recession in Singapore. Another factor that accounted for the cut was the seniority-based wage system, which made older workers more vulnerable to retrenchment as their wages were much higher than younger workers’.

But the labour movement had previously pointed out that the wage system had shifted towards a performance-based one over the past decade — thus, a basis to review CPF contribution rates.

The CPF cuts were partially restored during Budget 2012, when Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam promised to eventually equalise the CPF contribution rates for workers in the above-50 to 55 age group with younger workers.

Mr Heng, who is also Senior Minister of State in the Prime Minister’s Office, noted yesterday that it had been 11 years since the Government issued a set of long-term CPF contribution rates, “taking into account notions of adequacy at that time, notion of competitiveness of business at that time”.

But some CPF contribution rates have already surpassed these targets.

While Mr Heng acknowledged the need for businesses to be competitive, he pointed to the periods in the past where contributions of employers and employees were on par.

“So where possible, we feel that we should seriously also discuss whether or not there could be parity in contribution for each age band,” he added.

While Members of Parliament (MPs) and economists were supportive of what they saw as a gradual approach to increasing employers’ contribution rates, which would give businesses time to adjust, employers expressed their dismay at the labour movement’s proposals, even though they were resigned to the eventuality of CPF rates going up, given Mr Tharman’s pledge.

Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC MP Gan Thiam Poh said he preferred a “careful” and “gradual” approach to any increase in CPF rates, to avoid a situation where employers cannot afford attendant rises in costs, resulting in Singaporeans losing jobs.

Regional Economist at CIMB Research, Mr Song Seng Wun, also felt that a tiered approach to any increase in employers’ contributions would “smoothen the impact” on businesses.

Senior Regional Economist at Barclays Leong Wai Ho said: “You don’t want to create disincentives for businesses to hire older workers. So, a gradual movement over a longer period might work better for businesses.”

Mr Leong also cautioned against moving too soon, noting that “better external demand conditions” were just starting. “It’s better to let that solidify, let revenues rise a little further, let the outlook improve and somewhere in the middle of the improving business cycle, then we start making these adjustments.”
 

chonburifc

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Sinkees have the most caring garberment! pappies worry sinkees not enough for retirement leh!


Ho Jinx ho say liao! Got more chips to play blindfolded black jack liao! Huat Arh!
 

Confuseous

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This is a done deal. Obviously, govt's position has been made known to the NTUCunts already if you read the report carefully.
This is just so, as in the past, for the cunts to take credit for the govt's decision.
If they had announced at least one year ago that they were making a case, then, maybe a bit more credible.
For a forthcoming announcement happening in less than two weeks time, to come out and make all sorts of monkey noises is typical of toothpick thief Shit Say and his runners.
Watch the continuing unfolding of the wayang, via the presstitudes.
 

laksaboy

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Come on. Do you honestly think they would give those so-called freebies to the senior citizens without expecting something in return? :wink:

How many years have we been ruled by the PAP? Even a low IQ MINDS school graduate would have recognized the pattern by now. :rolleyes:
 

3_M

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This is a done deal. Obviously, govt's position has been made known to the NTUCunts already if you read the report carefully.
This is just so, as in the past, for the cunts to take credit for the govt's decision.
If they had announced at least one year ago that they were making a case, then, maybe a bit more credible.
For a forthcoming announcement happening in less than two weeks time, to come out and make all sorts of monkey noises is typical of toothpick thief Shit Say and his runners.
Watch the continuing unfolding of the wayang, via the presstitudes.


So NTUC made the proposal now, then you find a minister agreeing to look into the issue. Soon more ministers join in. Later the gov decides to accept the proposal.

It always the same order of events, that has always been their modus operandi.

The Cabinet probably had already decided to raise the CPF rate. NTUC is just going through a PR phase to claim credit for the imminent changes.
 
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halsey02

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Come on. Do you honestly think they would give those so-called freebies to the senior citizens without expecting something in return? :wink:

How many years have we been ruled by the PAP? Even a low IQ MINDS school graduate would have recognized the pattern by now. :rolleyes:

I do not if this was a co-incident or, an "isolated case" or they have ' it planned" long time ago, last night, I went to my neighborhood mini food court to buy food for dinner. The usual fried rice from the zi char stall, & one vegetable from the cai png stall, the day before, it was normal, $3.50 for a fried rice, $1.70 for a packet of vegetables, last night, they told be..it had gone up by 30cts. This was just after "mee siam hai hum" interest in the 450,000 PIONEERS". I ask around, they said rental had gone up & the econ mini mart near me, do not accept 5cts coins for payment.

My cost of food has gone up by 17%.....if they increase the older people CPF...my cost of food, I am sure with go up by 100%...from now $3.80 for fried rice to $4.80 or $5.00....:p
 

BANNED

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Sure or not NTUC ask PAP to do things?

Confirm is PAP want to do it and then instruct NTCU to 'kay kay' instruct them.

NTUC want to wayang that it can think on its own. PAP want to wayang its listens. Very orchestrated show.
 

tonychat

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How the hell is it possible to retire with cpf savings.. This is sinkiely stupid.
 

no_faith

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you cant take or smell your cpf monies. irregardless, end of day it is still pappy monies.

还我血汗钱
:oIo:
 

blackmondy

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By now everyone should clearly sees that NTUC stand for Never Trust Us Completely.
 
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johnny333

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With the PAP changing the goal posts again, I don't expect to see the day when I can withdraw my CPF as long as the PAP is in power.
The only hope is if the PAP gets booted out.

However when that happens I suspect that we will find out plenty of skeletons of the PAP rule. I hope I am wrong but the smell from the Istana is very strong.
 

yellowarse

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With the PAP changing the goal posts again, I don't expect to see the day when I can withdraw my CPF as long as the PAP is in power.
The only hope is if the PAP gets booted out.

Precisely why it makes no difference whether CPF contribution is increased by 1% or 10%. You will never see the money.

But the 60.1% don't see it. Give them some sweetener, even if it's locked out of their sight, and they'll put a cross next to your party. It's pork barrel time, the wayang kulit puppet masters are out in full force, and the ground is being prepped for GE 2015.
 

neddy

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Precisely why it makes no difference whether CPF contribution is increased by 1% or 10%. You will never see the money.

But the 60.1% don't see it. Give them some sweetener, even if it's locked out of their sight, and they'll put a cross next to your party. It's pork barrel time, the wayang kulit puppet masters are out in full force, and the ground is being prepped for GE 2015.

It just make NTUC feel like they are doing something for the workers.
 

McDonaldsKid

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How the hell is it possible to retire with cpf savings.. This is sinkiely stupid.

To be fair, I don't think people are saying we can retire with just our cpf savings. They should be a component of our retirement fund; but we are unable to get them out at 55 or even 62 to comfortably retire. Fact of the matter is, the money in cpf belongs to us so why can't we take them out when we retire?
 

laksaboy

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To be fair, I don't think people are saying we can retire with just our cpf savings. They should be a component of our retirement fund; but we are unable to get them out at 55 or even 62 to comfortably retire. Fact of the matter is, the money in cpf belongs to us so why can't we take them out when we retire?

If you can't retire with just CPF money, then perhaps it shouldn't have advertised it in a way that makes it seem that you can.

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The fact is that CPF is a Ponzi scam, a form of indirect taxation that eats into your disposable income.
 
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