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Blogger Donaldson Tan kana police investigation for insulting The religion of peace
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Ramseth posted that you can be tracked down in Singapore even if you use strongVPN.
At least, that's what he threatened Scroobal with.
Ramseth posted that you can be tracked down in Singapore even if you use strongVPN.
At least, that's what he threatened Scroobal with.
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Re: Blogger Donaldson Tan kana police investigation for insulting The religion of pea
“No apologies,” Mr Donaldson Tan, Chief Editor of current affairs blogsite, New Asia Republic, told publichouse.sg. This week, Mr Tan was at the centre of controversy for having re-posted – on his personal Facebook wall - a picture of a pig superimposed on the Ka’bah, a cuboid-shaped building in Mecca, which is sacred to Muslims. Islam forbids the consumption of pork.
The post has since been removed by Facebook.
A police report has also been lodged against Mr Tan.
Mr Tan defended his actions, and said he does not feel he has contravened any laws, in particular Singapore’s Sedition Act which some bloggers have been charged under previously. Instead, Mr Tan described those attacking him or accusing him as “a lynch mob”. He explained that the source of the picture was not him, but another person. It is unclear if the person is a Singaporean.
Mr Tan had re-posted the picture with the warning: “This is a flame bait. YOU ARE WARNED.” He explained that he was bringing attention to the fact that there was such a poster being circulated online and that he was in effect whistle-blowing and finds nothing wrong in what he has done. It is those who are offended who are practising double-standards, he says.
It has been pointed out that some others - who are believed to be Muslims - had also posted the same picture on their Facebook walls and that they are not accused of trying to create ill will, but that when a non-Muslim like Mr Tan does, he is accused of inflaming anti-Islam sentiments.
But shouldn’t Mr Tan be sensitive to the feelings of other races and their religions, even if it involves postings on his personal Facebook wall?
“Generally people on Facebook are open-minded for discussion,” he said. “My wall is generally a safe place… For me totally no censorship on my wall. Facebook people have the right to unfriend me and remove themselves from there. I don’t have to impose anything on them.”
Asked if he felt he should take into consideration Singapore’s multi-racial, multi-religious and multi-cultural context, Mr Tan says there is “no such thing as a Singapore context.”
“Today we live in a hyper-connected world. We just have to adapt to the differences. There is no Singapore context.”
He feels that there are “religious vigilantes around” whose standards for discourse is set at the “lowest denominator” and this is what he is worried about. To him, the issue is not a religious or racial one, but one which has to do with the freedom of expression and personal and individual liberties.
“Religion doesn’t even come into consideration,” he said. “Firstly, I was whistle-blowing. Secondly, I do not censor anything on my wall. Thirdly, people are trying the third angle – that I am out to offend Muslims. They are basically trying to change public opinion against me.”
Mr Tan has, since the incident emerged, continued to stick to his stand – that people should not be held “hostage” by what he calls the “religious thought police” from expressing their views, and that “people are overreacting a lot.”
Online discourse following the incident has also centred more on the question of civil liberties, particularly freedom of expression and whether the making of reports to the authorities on such matters as this incident involving Mr Tan is desired. Some argued that society should be allowed and granted space to have discussions and debates on matters of race and religion openly, and that this is how deeper understanding can be had.
Others, however, draw a line at what they see as offensive content and that the authorities should intervene when these surface.
Whatever the outcome of these latest incidences of alleged racist and anti-religion postings, one thing is for certain – online discourse will continue to push the perimeters of the boundaries for dialogue on such once-taboo matters which the mainstream channels have avoided so far.
How this pans out will determine how much the authorities need to intervene – if at all – and where the line between the right to free speech and something more sinister is.
As for the report made against his posting, Mr Tan says the police have yet to contact him.
He says he “is confident” that he has not contravened the provisions in the Sedition Act.
“No apologies,” Mr Donaldson Tan, Chief Editor of current affairs blogsite, New Asia Republic, told publichouse.sg. This week, Mr Tan was at the centre of controversy for having re-posted – on his personal Facebook wall - a picture of a pig superimposed on the Ka’bah, a cuboid-shaped building in Mecca, which is sacred to Muslims. Islam forbids the consumption of pork.
The post has since been removed by Facebook.
A police report has also been lodged against Mr Tan.
Mr Tan defended his actions, and said he does not feel he has contravened any laws, in particular Singapore’s Sedition Act which some bloggers have been charged under previously. Instead, Mr Tan described those attacking him or accusing him as “a lynch mob”. He explained that the source of the picture was not him, but another person. It is unclear if the person is a Singaporean.
Mr Tan had re-posted the picture with the warning: “This is a flame bait. YOU ARE WARNED.” He explained that he was bringing attention to the fact that there was such a poster being circulated online and that he was in effect whistle-blowing and finds nothing wrong in what he has done. It is those who are offended who are practising double-standards, he says.
It has been pointed out that some others - who are believed to be Muslims - had also posted the same picture on their Facebook walls and that they are not accused of trying to create ill will, but that when a non-Muslim like Mr Tan does, he is accused of inflaming anti-Islam sentiments.
But shouldn’t Mr Tan be sensitive to the feelings of other races and their religions, even if it involves postings on his personal Facebook wall?
“Generally people on Facebook are open-minded for discussion,” he said. “My wall is generally a safe place… For me totally no censorship on my wall. Facebook people have the right to unfriend me and remove themselves from there. I don’t have to impose anything on them.”
Asked if he felt he should take into consideration Singapore’s multi-racial, multi-religious and multi-cultural context, Mr Tan says there is “no such thing as a Singapore context.”
“Today we live in a hyper-connected world. We just have to adapt to the differences. There is no Singapore context.”
He feels that there are “religious vigilantes around” whose standards for discourse is set at the “lowest denominator” and this is what he is worried about. To him, the issue is not a religious or racial one, but one which has to do with the freedom of expression and personal and individual liberties.
“Religion doesn’t even come into consideration,” he said. “Firstly, I was whistle-blowing. Secondly, I do not censor anything on my wall. Thirdly, people are trying the third angle – that I am out to offend Muslims. They are basically trying to change public opinion against me.”
Mr Tan has, since the incident emerged, continued to stick to his stand – that people should not be held “hostage” by what he calls the “religious thought police” from expressing their views, and that “people are overreacting a lot.”
Online discourse following the incident has also centred more on the question of civil liberties, particularly freedom of expression and whether the making of reports to the authorities on such matters as this incident involving Mr Tan is desired. Some argued that society should be allowed and granted space to have discussions and debates on matters of race and religion openly, and that this is how deeper understanding can be had.
Others, however, draw a line at what they see as offensive content and that the authorities should intervene when these surface.
Whatever the outcome of these latest incidences of alleged racist and anti-religion postings, one thing is for certain – online discourse will continue to push the perimeters of the boundaries for dialogue on such once-taboo matters which the mainstream channels have avoided so far.
How this pans out will determine how much the authorities need to intervene – if at all – and where the line between the right to free speech and something more sinister is.
As for the report made against his posting, Mr Tan says the police have yet to contact him.
He says he “is confident” that he has not contravened the provisions in the Sedition Act.
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That in itself relays a powerful message for those who can listen.
I hope you didn't miss the double entendre on the ST article title.
Some say 1 in 10 likes it.
That in itself relays a powerful message for those who can listen.
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I'm not an IT or hacking expert. Everything is possible but I know for a fact that it is very, very difficult. It would need expertise on both ends and the combined resources of those who have an intricate understanding of networking. Interpol would have to be involved.
I'm not an IT or hacking expert. Everything is possible but I know for a fact that it is very, very difficult. It would need expertise on both ends and the combined resources of those who have an intricate understanding of networking. Interpol would have to be involved.
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Interpol not involved. Always bilateral. The Singapore govt's request for details from counterparts and ISPs where the forum is hosted will not be entertained if it refers to freedom of speech and matters of local politics. Where libel and slander is concerned, the govt will be told to get a court order from the country. The best they can do is to remove and that too by court order. Most ISP will normally do that but they will not release identity. The only time countries cooperate if they have a stake, involves religion or criminal activity. That's leaves dumbfucks who overtime reveal bits and pieces of themselves, the car they bought, where they work, happily send PMs etc and thru a process of triangulation and elimination, they have a few possibilities. They raid and the content is on the PC. StrongVPN, anonymisers etc make it very difficult as they more than one servers and encryption is involved.
Interpol not involved. Always bilateral. The Singapore govt's request for details from counterparts and ISPs where the forum is hosted will not be entertained if it refers to freedom of speech and matters of local politics. Where libel and slander is concerned, the govt will be told to get a court order from the country. The best they can do is to remove and that too by court order. Most ISP will normally do that but they will not release identity. The only time countries cooperate if they have a stake, involves religion or criminal activity. That's leaves dumbfucks who overtime reveal bits and pieces of themselves, the car they bought, where they work, happily send PMs etc and thru a process of triangulation and elimination, they have a few possibilities. They raid and the content is on the PC. StrongVPN, anonymisers etc make it very difficult as they more than one servers and encryption is involved.
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The only cases I know whereby VPNs and encryption were cracked is in cases involving child porn rings. That's when interpol works together to nail the culprits. They succeed because the perpetrators are on line for long hours and the police cyber sleuths can decipher what's going on by monitoring the network in real time over a considerable period.
The only cases I know whereby VPNs and encryption were cracked is in cases involving child porn rings. That's when interpol works together to nail the culprits. They succeed because the perpetrators are on line for long hours and the police cyber sleuths can decipher what's going on by monitoring the network in real time over a considerable period.
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hi there
1. aiyoh!
2.uncle, i believe it should read as "sermon" or what.
3. btw, which church do you worship?
4. chc together kong hee fatt choi!
May be I should invite you and your wife to come to my church this Sunday and listen to my pastor's summon
hi there
1. aiyoh!
2.uncle, i believe it should read as "sermon" or what.
3. btw, which church do you worship?
4. chc together kong hee fatt choi!
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Thanks for the clarification. Anyway i don't use strongVPN while surfing this forum. That's reserved for other forums. :-)
Thanks for the clarification. Anyway i don't use strongVPN while surfing this forum. That's reserved for other forums. :-)
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Are you sure it is safe enough not to get your photo splashed over the morning papers like the Donaldson Tan?
Are you sure it is safe enough not to get your photo splashed over the morning papers like the Donaldson Tan?
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When i do the really nasty stuff I'm sure not to leave bits and pieces of info about myself that can be tracked, unlike my blatantly careless behaviour in this forum.
When i do the really nasty stuff I'm sure not to leave bits and pieces of info about myself that can be tracked, unlike my blatantly careless behaviour in this forum.
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sibei scary leh...will our photos be exposed in here? Can a sibei new newbie like me make a sibei stupid suggestion? Can make a thread sibei sticky and advise on how to make oneself like sibei ninja here? off course, this requires sibei good IT skilled and IQ skilled pple. I sibei sure got sibei goot IT FTs here that can help. And of course sibei lao laojiao that can give IQ skills. Now need a sibei goot hearted mod to start sticky...
sibei scary leh...will our photos be exposed in here? Can a sibei new newbie like me make a sibei stupid suggestion? Can make a thread sibei sticky and advise on how to make oneself like sibei ninja here? off course, this requires sibei good IT skilled and IQ skilled pple. I sibei sure got sibei goot IT FTs here that can help. And of course sibei lao laojiao that can give IQ skills. Now need a sibei goot hearted mod to start sticky...
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The lead agency for child porn is interestingly US Postal Service Enforcement team. They were involved before Internet came into being and so they continued. Interpol host the shared database. You are absolutely right about arseholes staying on line for so long. The same is done for hackers who never leave pc. They jump from servers to servers but eventually they become comfortable with a certain pattern. The same principal is to used to track hydroponics growers via electricity bills. Hackers also are clanish and share personal details with heavy encryption but they are also short of money and one of them will get sucked in for money and provide details. The authorities only hope is the content in the PC that is seized. All security software must have a back door or else not permited to export, sale or distribution overseas.
The lead agency for child porn is interestingly US Postal Service Enforcement team. They were involved before Internet came into being and so they continued. Interpol host the shared database. You are absolutely right about arseholes staying on line for so long. The same is done for hackers who never leave pc. They jump from servers to servers but eventually they become comfortable with a certain pattern. The same principal is to used to track hydroponics growers via electricity bills. Hackers also are clanish and share personal details with heavy encryption but they are also short of money and one of them will get sucked in for money and provide details. The authorities only hope is the content in the PC that is seized. All security software must have a back door or else not permited to export, sale or distribution overseas.
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I shall have to ponder over this. Thank you.
I shall have to ponder over this. Thank you.
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