BE: What is at Stake? Preservation of Multiculturalism or Increased Racial Chauvinism

[PTADER]

Punggol By-Election: What is at Stake? Preservation of Multiculturalism or Increased Racial Chauvinism

This by-election boils down to one key issue for the reasonable and pragmatic Chinese and our Malay and Indian brothers and sisters. It is whether multiculturalism would continue to be the bedrock of our society or continue to be gradually replaced with racial chauvinism. We have all seen the increase in and effects of the poisonous racial bigotry in our society. A win by the Workers Party will only serve to embolden the WP's chauvinists and "Guess The Race" racial bigots.

Singapore is not Hongkong nor is it a part or province of China. The Chinese chauvinists of the Workers Party need to accept the reality that Singapore was founded as and must remain a multiracial society. It needs to accept the geopolitical reality of Singapore being situated in a Malay world and surrounded by 250 million peoples of Malay extraction. These WP Chinese chauvinists and race bigots need to understand that Singapore cannot afford to be viewed as a Chinese fifth column in SE Asia. Our neighbours will not allow it. All the Indonesians have to do in response to a Chinese fifth column is to manufacture a domestic crisis and we will have tens of thousand of refugees on our doorstep where the best of guns and most modern of missiles cannot resolve.

Hence, it is important to send a message to the Workers Party and its racial bigots that racial chauvinism should not, cannot and will not be tolerated.

It is important to send these WP chauvinists and racial bigots a message that for Singapore to continue to exist as a nation, it cannot afford to be chauvinistic in its racial outlook.

My Malay and Indian brother and sisters have become fully aware of what the WP is all about. The Workers Party will not get their votes.

I now call on my pragmatic Chinese brothers and sisters to do our part in joining our Malay and Indian brothers and sisters to help preserve the multicultural underpinnings of our society and upon which Singapore was founded.

Deny the Workers Party your votes and send these WP chauvinists and race bigots back into the closet where they belong.

 

[TuaGow]

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pls stop stirring up non-existent racial hatred! :oIo:

wp is a multi-racial party with all its mps coming from different communities and races!

 

[lockeliberal]

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Dear PT

I would like to add that by your definition the PAP are full of beautiful multi culturalist ? Lets be clear what you object to is part of the PAP or even more, seeing as the worst policies were instituted by them


Locke

Punggol By-Election: What is at Stake? Preservation of Multiculturalism or Increased Racial Chauvinism

This by-election boil down to one key issue for the reasonable and pragmatic Chinese and our Malay and Indian brothers and sisters. It is whether multiculturalism would continue to be the bedrock of our society or continue to be gradually replaced with racial chauvinism. We have all seen the increase in and effects of the poisonous racial bigotry in our society. A win by the Workers Party will only serve to embolden the WP's chauvinists and "Guess The Race" racial bigots.

Singapore is not Hongkong nor is it a part or province of China. The Chinese chauvinists of the Workers Party need to accept the reality that Singapore was founded as and must remain a multiracial society. It need to to accept the geopolitical reality of Singapore being situated in a Malay world and surrounded by 250 million peoples of Malay extraction. These WP Chinese chauvinists and race bigots need to understand that Singapore cannot afford to be viewed as a Chinese fifth column in SE Asia. Our neighbours will not allow it. All the Indonesians have to do in response to a Chinese fifth column is to manufacture a domestic crisis and we will have tens of thousand of refugees on our doorstep where the best of guns and most modern of missiles cannot resolve.

Hence, it is important to send a message to the Workers Party and its racial bigots that racial chauvinism should not, cannot and will not be tolerated.

It is important to send these WP chauvinists and racial bigots a message that for Singapore to continue to exist as a nation, it cannot afford to be chauvinistic in its racial outlook.

My Malay and Indian brother and sisters have become fully aware of what the WP is all about. The Workers Party will not get their votes.

I now call on my pragmatic Chinese brothers and sisters to do our part in joining our Malay and Indian brothers and sisters to help preserve the multicultural underpinnings of our society and upon which Singapore was founded.

Deny the Workers Party your votes and send these WP chauvinists and race bigots back into the closet where they belong.

 

[Rumpole]

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Singapore is not Hongkong nor is it a part or province of China. The Chinese chauvinists of the Workers Party need to accept the reality that Singapore was founded as and must remain a multiracial society. It need to to accept the geopolitical reality of Singapore being situated in a Malay world and surrounded by 250 million peoples of Malay extraction. These WP Chinese chauvinists and race bigots need to understand that Singapore cannot afford to be viewed as a Chinese fifth column in SE Asia. Our neighbours will not allow it. All the Indonesians have to do in response to a Chinese fifth column is to manufacture a domestic crisis and we will have tens of thousand of refugees on our doorstep where the best of guns and most modern of missiles cannot resolve..

Another PAP scarce tactic. While I agreed with you that WP could have done more with 8 MPs when PAP only had 4 in the 1950s, one has to bear in mind that the WP has to deal with PA owned by PAP but funded by taxpayers, Yaw saga instigated by PAP, AIM saga, etc. A victory by the only Opposition party that stands a chance in this BE will send a signal to the PAP that we want them to fix the problems that their past mismanagement has created and not to fix the opposition.

This BE is a mid-term assessment of whether PAP has delivered on what it promised in GE2011. A chance to tell LHL that we believe his apology and tears to be insecure. It is not about race. To forget that 75 percent of SG voters are Chinese is the height of stupidity. Even the Indonesians are sucking up to China. To flood SG with Indo refugees is something that the Indo politicians are smart enough not to contemplate.

 

[Fook Seng]

The 2nd WP Rally has just completed. The WP candidate after ending the rally with a speech in Mandarin, continued to thank the supporters and gave instruction for peaceful dispersion in Mandarin. It was LTK who reminded her to repeat it in English. Of all people, LTK, accused by PT as a Chinese Chauvinist, insisted that the crowd be thanked also in English so that minority races and non-Chinese Chinese like PT can receive the message.

 

[Tualan]

Re: BE: What is at Stake? Preservation of Multiculturalism or Increased Racial Chauvi

Punggol By-Election: What is at Stake? Preservation of Multiculturalism or Increased Racial Chauvinism

This by-election boil down to one key issue for the reasonable and pragmatic Chinese and our Malay and Indian brothers and sisters. It is whether multiculturalism would continue to be the bedrock of our society or continue to be gradually replaced with racial chauvinism. We have all seen the increase in and effects of the poisonous racial bigotry in our society. A win by the Workers Party will only serve to embolden the WP's chauvinists and "Guess The Race" racial bigots.

Singapore is not Hongkong nor is it a part or province of China. The Chinese chauvinists of the Workers Party need to accept the reality that Singapore was founded as and must remain a multiracial society. It need to to accept the geopolitical reality of Singapore being situated in a Malay world and surrounded by 250 million peoples of Malay extraction. These WP Chinese chauvinists and race bigots need to understand that Singapore cannot afford to be viewed as a Chinese fifth column in SE Asia. Our neighbours will not allow it. All the Indonesians have to do in response to a Chinese fifth column is to manufacture a domestic crisis and we will have tens of thousand of refugees on our doorstep where the best of guns and most modern of missiles cannot resolve.

Hence, it is important to send a message to the Workers Party and its racial bigots that racial chauvinism should not, cannot and will not be tolerated.

It is important to send these WP chauvinists and racial bigots a message that for Singapore to continue to exist as a nation, it cannot afford to be chauvinistic in its racial outlook.

My Malay and Indian brother and sisters have become fully aware of what the WP is all about. The Workers Party will not get their votes.

I now call on my pragmatic Chinese brothers and sisters to do our part in joining our Malay and Indian brothers and sisters to help preserve the multicultural underpinnings of our society and upon which Singapore was founded.

Deny the Workers Party your votes and send these WP chauvinists and race bigots back into the closet where they belong.

You should tell this to your master who paid you to write this.

 

[wwabbit]

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Haha ya I saw that, it looked like she didn't realize she was speaking in Mandarin all the while before Mr Low whispered to her.

 

[PTADER]

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Dear PT
I would like to add that by your definition the PAP are full of beautiful multi culturalist ? Lets be clear what you object to is part of the PAP or even more, seeing as the worst policies were instituted by them

Locke

As I stated in another and earlier post, it is an unenviable choice for the minorities. There is one political party in power with outbursts of racism in speech, actions and policies but which still believes and is committed to multi-racialism (just like some of the other opposition parties out there) and a chauvinist one which attempts to hide its chauvinism in the closet and relies on racial tokenism primarily to enable it to contest in GRCs.

The PAP suffered a large swing of 12.9% on the night of 22 December 1984. It acknowledged that that was because it had "neglected" the Chinese (Chinese-educated) ground. In seeking to regain that ground, it has swung too far even as it sought to balance this out to ensure minority representation with the GRC concept in subsequent elections. (That the GRC has strayed beyond its original intent and has been exploited for political purposes is beyond question).

We have seen the effects of this swing - the gradual sinicisation of Singapore and the marginalisation of minorities. There is a constant attempt to tweak it - the latest being Halimah's appointment - to assure the minorities they will continue to have a place and a stake in Singapore. We have also seen the increase in racial bigotry and chauvinism, the number and toxicity of which I have never seen before, spilling into the public arena with Low's and the WP's electoral success.

The chauvinists, racists and race bigots have been emboldened by Low's and the WP's electoral success.

It is a tragedy that will unfold right before our very eyes if the excesses of that chauvinism and these racism and racial bigotry is not kept in check, put to a stop and driven back into the racial closet where they belong.

People of my generation know this. I should know this. We have witnessed the racial riots of the past. And for that, we share common ground with Lee and the PAP even as we fought them, i.e the spirit of multiracialism is sacrosanct and inviolable and must continue to remain the bedrock of Singapore politics and society. Without this bedrock, there will be no peace. Without peace, we can forget about progress and a better life for one and all.

 

[PTADER]

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Another PAP scarce tactic. While I agreed with you that WP could have done more with 8 MPs when PAP only had 4 in the 1950s, one has to bear in mind that the WP has to deal with PA owned by PAP but funded by taxpayers, Yaw saga instigated by PAP, AIM saga, etc. A victory by the only Opposition party that stands a chance in this BE will send a signal to the PAP that we want them to fix the problems that their past mismanagement has created and not to fix the opposition.

Let's be sensible and not blame the PAP for "Yaw saga". It was this young kid's inability to keep his dick zipped up and this was known by Low, the WP cadres and members, some of whom had similar difficulties in keeping their dick zipped up. BTW, how in the world are you going to fix the problem if those problems are not articulated in Parliament as they should be?

This BE is a mid-term assessment of whether PAP has delivered on what it promised in GE2011. A chance to tell LHL that we believe his apology and tears to be insecure. It is not about race. To forget that 75 percent of SG voters are Chinese is the height of stupidity. Even the Indonesians are sucking up to China. To flood SG with Indo refugees is something that the Indo politicians are smart enough not to contemplate.

As I said, you can forget about everything else if you don't get the fundamentals right, and that one inviolable fundamental is multiracialism. Otherwise, the Indons may well have to deal with Singapore refugees at their doorstep.

To flood SG with Indo refugees is something that the Indo politicians are smart enough not to contemplate.

Carry out some reading and research on the Vietnamese government's 70's policy and the hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese refugees ("boat people") that flooded SEA in the 70s.

 

[PTADER]

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The 2nd WP Rally has just completed. The WP candidate after ending the rally with a speech in Mandarin, continued to thank the supporters and gave instruction for peaceful dispersion in Mandarin. It was LTK who reminded her to repeat it in English. Of all people, LTK, accused by PT as a Chinese Chauvinist, insisted that the crowd be thanked also in English so that minority races and non-Chinese Chinese like PT can receive the message.

She had to be "reminded"??? And you are daft enough to quote this when this proves my point and the points of the Malays and Indians, that the WP is a "Cina Bukit" Party and a "Manjan" Party???

BTW, does she know that National Language and does she know the lyrics to the national anthem? Or is she like the Chinese table-tennis stars?

 

[metalmickey]

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Let's just have a little test here.

This gentleman earlier on claimed that he's a Chinese guy who knows Hokkien.

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?140149-SDP-will-withdraw&p=1367492#post1367492

Obviously this isn't directly related to whether what he says about WP is true but it'd be nice to know if he's lying about that. It's very simple, type a post in Hokkien. Romanise it however you want.

 

[winnipegjets]

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So, the PAP is playing the RACE card? Is the PAP so desperate to the point that it is willing to cast one race against another? Ask the non-Chinese residents in WP wards if they have been discriminated?

Such baloney! Let's face it - the PAP is definitely an anti-Malay party. The few Malays in their fold are token and they do little for the community.

 

[Fook Seng]

She had to be "reminded"??? And you are daft enough to quote this when this proves my point and the points of the Malays and Indians, that the WP is a "Cina Bukit" Party and a "Manjan" Party???

BTW, does she know that National Language and does she know the lyrics to the national anthem? Or is she like the Chinese table-tennis stars?

Same as you have to be reminded that what you say here are falsehood and racist in content, almost every single post of it. Low class PAP tactics. Lilian is so bilingual here that she can forget the language she was using unlike some forummers here.

What do you think? Does she know the National Anthem, singing it every school day of her school life? Only a goon like you would think otherwise.

 

[Rumpole]

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Let's be sensible and not blame the PAP for "Yaw saga". It was this young kid's inability to keep his dick zipped up and this was known by Low, the WP cadres and members, some of whom had similar difficulties in keeping their dick zipped up.

Let's be sensible and compare and contrast the difference between how the Yaw saga and the Palmer saga played out. State propaganda machine sent their doggies to camp out in front of poor Yaw's residence. Same propaganda machine did no such thing to Palmer, instead they demonised poor Laura. By the way, Laura is from the PA, which stands for PEOPLE'S association for crying out loud, and rightly so as it is funded by taxpayers. And it emerged from this Palmer saga, that PAP MPs and PA members go on "bonding" trips overseas. Whoever the lady in Yaw saga is, it did not involve a taxpayer funded entity. In any case, the litmus test is how Yaw performs as an MP and not his private life. Sadly, we will not know, as his Parliamentary career was cut short with the aid of the State propaganda machine. On the other hand, we know Palmer's performance as this is not his first term, and it is the typical performance of any PAP MP - yes man.

BTW, how in the world are you going to fix the problem if those problems are not articulated in Parliament as they should be?

Then what the hell are those 81 PAP MPs there for? Silenced by the Whip? Claim "I am my own man" during BE, GE, etc and when elected into Parliament, suddenly realise that the PAP is a Leninist style party that enforces the Whip on each and every occasion?

As I said, you can forget about everything else if you don't get the fundamentals right, and that one inviolable fundamental is multiracialism. Otherwise, the Indons may well have to deal with Singapore refugees at their doorstep.

The most basic fundamental is as Lim Chin Siong said "the people are the backseat drivers". In other words, the PAP chaffeur should drive the automobile that is SG in the direction set by the voters, the backseat drivers. Multiracialism is a given and has been accepted by the responsible electorate for 50 years. Scare tactics by the PAP is also a given and should be rejected.

SG refugees to Indonesia? You mean to say that if the PAP is not elected, they will fix the state of SG so as to keep themselves in power? Please lah, there are already 200,000 well qualified Singaporeans living abroad, mostly in First World places like UK, Aussieland, NZ, etc. These will not want to go to Third World countries like Indonesia lah! The fact that you bring up such a ridiculous scenario says all that needs to be said about PAP scare tactics.

Carry out some reading and research on the Vietnamese government's 70's policy and the hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese refugees ("boat people") that flooded SEA in the 70s.

You can't really follow an argument, so I'll lay it out for you in simple terms. Indonesia is booming and far more democratic than under Suharto and even beats SG in this respect. The Indons will not be so dumb as to sabotage their own economy in order to flood SG with Indon refugees. What will they achieve by doing this? Indon govt has to answer to its own electorate you know?

Vietnam analogy is inappropriate. In the 70s, the Cold War was still on. Vietnam was a Leninist style COMMUNIST state and it was against this backdrop that refugees fled from their country. Indonesia is now a booming capitalist state and the Cold War has ended. Please keep yourself up to date with modern day developments, but anyway nice try at typical PAP scare tactic.

 

[salmon]

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She had to be "reminded"??? And you are daft enough to quote this when this proves my point and the points of the Malays and Indians, that the WP is a "Cina Bukit" Party and a "Manjan" Party???

BTW, does she know that National Language and does she know the lyrics to the national anthem? Or is she like the Chinese table-tennis stars?

if u are saying that wp and its supporters are mainly chinese/comprises a large number of chinese educated individuals, then i agree with u. but i think u are insinuating that wp only focuses on the needs and concerns of the chinese community – if yes, why do u think so?

 

[lockeliberal]

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Dear PT,

With respect I would list the following actions by the PAP many of which have been raised within the forum over the years and raise an eyebrow at your assertion that the PAP respects Multi Cultralisim and has not provoked or put in polices which accentuate Chinese Chauvinism as you put it. I would be willing to grant that LTK might have a problem with this area but the PAP a " Saint " ? That really really takes the cake. The political reality remains that the Chinese will dominate in Singapore like how the Malays dominated in Malaysia, the issue is how that domination is exercised in an inclusive or exclusive manner and in that the PAP with its "total" control has all the levers and you accuse the poor sod opposition with no control as being worse than the ruling party,

1. SAP schools and its focus on Chinese education without a balancing need for the other races to be represented.

2. Who stated that Singapore will never be ready for an Indian PM ?



Thanks


Locke

As I stated in another and earlier post, it is an unenviable choice for the minorities. There is one political party in power with outbursts of racism in speech, actions and policies but which still believes and is committed to multi-racialism (just like some of the other opposition parties out there) and a chauvinist one which attempts to hide its chauvinism in the closet and relies on racial tokenism primarily to enable it to contest in GRCs.

The PAP suffered a large swing of 12.9% on the night of 22 December 1984. It acknowledged that that was because it had "neglected" the Chinese (Chinese-educated) ground. In seeking to regain that ground, it has swung too far even as it sought to balance this out to ensure minority representation with the GRC concept in subsequent elections. (That the GRC has strayed beyond its original intent and has been exploited for political purposes is beyond question).

We have seen the effects of this swing - the gradual sinicisation of Singapore and the marginalisation of minorities. There is a constant attempt to tweak it - the latest being Halimah's appointment - to assure the minorities they will continue to have a place and a stake in Singapore. We have also seen the increase in racial bigotry and chauvinism, the number and toxicity of which I have never seen before, spilling into the public arena with Low's and the WP's electoral success.

The chauvinists, racists and race bigots have been emboldened by Low's and the WP's electoral success.

It is a tragedy that will unfold right before our very eyes if the excesses of that chauvinism and these racism and racial bigotry is not kept in check, put to a stop and driven back into the racial closet where they belong.

People of my generation know this. I should know this. We have witnessed the racial riots of the past. And for that, we share common ground with Lee and the PAP even as we fought them, i.e the spirit of multiracialism is sacrosanct and inviolable and must continue to remain the bedrock of Singapore politics and society. Without this bedrock, there will be no peace. Without peace, we can forget about progress and a better life for one and all.

 

[metalmickey]

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1. SAP schools and its focus on Chinese education without a balancing need for the other races to be represented.

In retrospect the SAP schools and the speak Mandarin campaign are the first steps for Singapore to be overrun by PRCs.

 

[PTADER]

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Dear PT,

With respect I would list the following actions by the PAP many of which have been raised within the forum over the years and raise an eyebrow at your assertion that the PAP respects Multi Cultralisim and has not provoked or put in polices which accentuate Chinese Chauvinism as you put it. I would be willing to grant that LTK might have a problem with this area but the PAP a " Saint " ? That really really takes the cake. The political reality remains that the Chinese will dominate in Singapore like how the Malays dominated in Malaysia, the issue is how that domination is exercised in an inclusive or exclusive manner and in that the PAP with its "total" control has all the levers and you accuse the poor sod opposition with no control as being worse than the ruling party,

1. SAP schools and its focus on Chinese education without a balancing need for the other races to be represented.

2. Who stated that Singapore will never be ready for an Indian PM ?

Thanks

Locke

There are a few more from the PAP that I can quote from. Hence I stated that it is an unenviable choice for the minorities.

Once again, as I have said, it is an unenviable choice for the minorities. Like what I have said, there is one political party in power with outbursts of racism in speech, actions and policies but which still believes and is committed to multi-racialism (just like some of the other opposition parties out there) and a chauvinist one which attempts to hide its chauvinism in the closet and relies on racial tokenism primarily to enable it to contest in GRCs.

However, on balance, the minorities (and they themselves know this for a fact) will be further marginalised, their spaces reduced with the electoral success and rise of the WP, a Chinese chauvinist party. When this happens, along with the increase and intensity of the racial bigotry, the inevitable tragedy will unfold.

 

[lockeliberal]

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Dear PT

Despite all that they have done PAP, you would say that they are still "committed" to multi racialism ? I mean honestly who is reducing the SPACE for the minorities , It really can't be the WP as they have NO POWER to institute policies, They might not be speaking or doing things in a manner u find consistent with multi cultralisim , but they can't be reducing the space as they have no control over policies and the media.


Beggars Belief

Locke

There are a few more from the PAP that I can quote from. Hence I stated that it is an unenviable choice for the minorities.

Once again, as I have said, it is an unenviable choice for the minorities. Like what I have said, there is one political party in power with outbursts of racism in speech, actions and policies but which still believes and is committed to multi-racialism (just like some of the other opposition parties out there) and a chauvinist one which attempts to hide its chauvinism in the closet and relies on racial tokenism primarily to enable it to contest in GRCs.

However, on balance, the minorities (and they themselves know this for a fact) will be further marginalised, their spaces reduced with the electoral success and rise of the WP, a Chinese chauvinist party. When this happens, along with the increase and intensity of the racial bigotry, the inevitable tragedy will unfold.

 

[eatshitndie]

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Let's just have a little test here.

This gentleman earlier on claimed that he's a Chinese guy who knows Hokkien.

Obviously this isn't directly related to whether what he says about WP is true but it'd be nice to know if he's lying about that. It's very simple, type a post in Hokkien. Romanise it however you want.

please don't tempt fate. the most common hokkien phrase from anyone here, including him, has something intimate to do with one's momma's genitalia. and the romanised version starts with "k". :p :o