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Bargain Hen is Furious with Transparency Index Woh!

makapaaa

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[h=2]Dr Ng condemns TI’s defence spending rating for SG[/h]
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February 19th, 2014 |
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Minister Ng Eng Hen condemns TI's findings on the way S'pore spends money buying weapons.


Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen has condemned Transparency International (TI) for giving Singapore a “poor” rating last year for the way it spends money buying weapons. He was replying to a question in Parliament on Monday (17 Feb).

Dr Ng said that TI’s assumptions for its assessment were flawed. He questioned its move to group Singapore in the same category as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Dr Ng noted that in a separate report pertaining to TI’s Corruption Perception Index, Singapore was ranked the fifth least corrupt nation in the world. “The fact that the same organisation, albeit through another publication, can now produce a completely different assessment, again calls into question TI’s credibility,” he said.

Dr Lim Wee Kiak (Nee Soon GRC) had asked whether Singapore’s defence budget oversight and procurement processes were sufficiently robust, in light of TI’s poor rating for the city-state.

Dr Ng declared that MINDEF has strict procedures to ensure procurement systems “adhere to the highest and most rigorous standards”.

“MINDEF has examined TI’s assessment and found its assumptions to be flawed and processes weak,” he added.

TI’s processes need to be strengthened “by relying on more authoritative sources and substantiated facts”, Dr Ng argued, pointing out that its analysis seems to be based mainly on internet sources.
“We have a robust system of checks and balances, an independent Auditor-General who reports to the President, and a clean civil service,” Dr Ng said.

Dr Ng also accused TI of not willing to engage MINDEF. He said MINDEF had tried to reach out to TI to give it more information, but it “flatly declined our offers of more information to debunk their false assertions”.

In response, TI said it had tried to contact MINDEF officials in September 2011 and followed up with an e-mail a month later to invite MINDEF to review their findings that December. But MINDEF only replied in July 2012, which was past the review deadline, a TI spokesperson said.

She told the media that TI sent another three letters. “We still wanted their input and published their response to the findings on our website… MINDEF was well aware of that. So it’s not true that we have not been willing to engage.”

She added that TI is still keen to work with MINDEF on this research. “We hope to have an earlier engagement so that the review can be included and we can improve the integrity of the study.”
If the government finds TI not to be credible as Dr Ng has alleged in Parliament, perhaps the government should stop using TI’s rankings and surveys altogether.

For a start perhaps, CPIB could stop using TI’s rankings on its website. Presently, it prominently displays TI’s CPI on its home page [Link]:

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Next, CPIB could remove all references to TI on its website [Link]:

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Also, PM Lee should remember not to quote TI in his speeches anymore [Link]:
Singapore is well recognised to be a clean and incorrupt system and country. Our international rankings in this respect are high, whether it is with Transparency International, the Political & Economic Risk Consultancy or the World Bank.
But beyond the rankings, incorruptibility has become ingrained into the Singaporean psyche and into our culture. Singaporeans expect to see, and demand to be delivered, a clean system. Unlike in some other countries, they will not give or accept any “social lubricants” to get things done, not even small ones. And they will sound the alarm once they sense that something is wrong – indeed, many of CPIB’s tip-offs come from members of the public, including whistleblowers. And they expect to see all cases thoroughly investigated, and the culprits, if found guilty, strictly punished.
What do you think?
 

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Ace: February 19, 2014 at 8:43 am Ace(Quote)
When anyone agree with the MIW, they are reliable sources. When they disagree with the MIW, they suddenly become unreliable sources. We have many examples, Devan Nair, Ong Teng Cheong, Tan Cheng Bock, Tang Liang Hong and many more. Do you want such jokers who are only self-serving as our government? Time for CHANGE!

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February 19, 2014 at 8:44 am Lim(Quote)
NO smoke without fire – why would TI give such poor rating on Spore defence spending putting us in category with Afghan and Iraq?
When it suits our leaders to quote TI – the flattering ratings are trumpeted but when it is ranked poorly, swift condemnation of flawed assumptions and credibility of TI by the sore loser.
CPIB and PM Lee used to quote TI when the ranking suit their purpose – shameful isn’t it?







Ace: February 19, 2014 at 8:43 am Ace(Quote)
When anyone agree with the MIW, they are reliable sources. When they disagree with the MIW, they suddenly become unreliable sources. We have many examples, Devan Nair, Ong Teng Cheong, Tan Cheng Bock, Tang Liang Hong and many more. Do you want such jokers who are only self-serving as our government? Time for CHANGE!

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February 19, 2014 at 8:44 am Lim(Quote)
NO smoke without fire – why would TI give such poor rating on Spore defence spending putting us in category with Afghan and Iraq?
When it suits our leaders to quote TI – the flattering ratings are trumpeted but when it is ranked poorly, swift condemnation of flawed assumptions and credibility of TI by the sore loser.
CPIB and PM Lee used to quote TI when the ranking suit their purpose – shameful isn’t it?
 

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Sue TI, talk so much..!: February 19, 2014 at 9:02 am Sue TI, talk so much..!(Quote)
A doctor by profession appointed to head the entire military debunking arms procurement regulations & findings against a respectable international organisation.
Uniiquely Singapore.
Yo Dr Ng, since you claimed its false & have evidence to back you up, why don’t you sue TI in the international court?

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February 19, 2014 at 9:02 am PAPees shouldn't whine wat(Quote)
The way TI treated them is like the way they treated WP & other oppositions. Hahaha… now the PAPees feel the pains.

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Very simple solution to this. If Hen basket says there is transparency and that the TI is wrong, why does he not reveal how much we paid for our Leo2 tanks, new subs, new F-15s, etc.? All we hear is that singapore is ordering this new weapon or that new weapon, but it never reveals how much was paid for how many, and what was the pricing for the competing weapons systems. In the US and UK, they will give you the prices right down to the bullet. Without knowing the prices, we cannot know if got a good deal versus other countries who ordered the same equipment, or whether commissions, fees and other things were paid to 3rd parties.
 

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Very simple solution to this. If Hen basket says there is transparency and that the TI is wrong, why does he not reveal how much we paid for our Leo2 tanks, new subs, new F-15s, etc.? All we hear is that singapore is ordering this new weapon or that new weapon, but it never reveals how much was paid for how many, and what was the pricing for the competing weapons systems. In the US and UK, they will give you the prices right down to the bullet. Without knowing the prices, we cannot know if got a good deal versus other countries who ordered the same equipment, or whether commissions, fees and other things were paid to 3rd parties.

If they reveal, there will be tons of Ng Boon Gay-like cases.
 

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Dr Ng declared that MINDEF has strict procedures to ensure procurement systems “adhere to the highest and most rigorous standards”.
Sounds like cheap sales talk. Get 3rd party independent auditors lor.
 

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PAP maggots cockroachs walking bags of excrement harvesting and fucking as much money as they can just like smear of shit on sole of shoe before LKY become a rotting corpse and it all end

Building up their billions upon billions

PIANO WIRES FOR ALL THOSE PAP COLLABORATORS TO DANCE UNDER
 

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Dr Ng declared that MINDEF has strict procedures to ensure procurement systems “adhere to the highest and most rigorous standards”.
Sounds like cheap sales talk. Get 3rd party independent auditors lor.

If a small outfit like CPIB failed, being much bigger and more outside dealings, Mindef may also fail in this aspect.
 

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Spending 25 percent of the budget on defence, what do we have to show? We are invaded by foreigners and our defence is useless.

Sinkees are clueless how so much of their money is being spent year after year. We don't change aircraft every year. We don't buy new ships every year. We don't buy new tanks every year. So, where does $12 billion go?
 

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Pls.. The PAP Fucktard.. If the index shows that, then reflect on yourself what you have done to get to that shameful and disgrace index.. But instead, you get angry with the index? this is the type of human being stupid sinkies vote for.. That is why I stay away from sinkies.
 

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Dr Ng declared that MINDEF has strict procedures to ensure procurement systems “adhere to the highest and most rigorous standards”.
Sounds like cheap sales talk. Get 3rd party independent auditors lor.


Has the PAP "strict procedures" :confused:
Only have to look at the Brompton case or the SLA deputy director who stole enough $$$ to buy a Ferrari & Lamborghini:biggrin:

With all the big ticket items that MINDEF handles, the temptation of $$$ is there.
 

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If a small outfit like CPIB failed, being much bigger and more outside dealings, Mindef may also fail in this aspect.

Throughout the world, the weapons/defence industry is the most corrupt. There are lots of secret sweetheart deals, commissions, kick backs, bribes, etc. For Hen Basket to say there is non is like saying that a pig can fly.
 

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Spending 25 percent of the budget on defence, what do we have to show? We are invaded by foreigners and our defence is useless.

Sinkees are clueless how so much of their money is being spent year after year. We don't change aircraft every year. We don't buy new ships every year. We don't buy new tanks every year. So, where does $12 billion go?

The forest fires come into singapore, pollute the air, cost millions in dollars in lost productivity due to school closures, public place closures, people calling in sick to work, endanger singaporeans lives by sending many of the young and old to the hospital, etc. And the $12 billion defence is 100% absolutely useless to do anything.
 

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Has the PAP "strict procedures" :confused:
Only have to look at the Brompton case or the SLA deputy director who stole enough $$$ to buy a Ferrari & Lamborghini:biggrin:

With all the big ticket items that MINDEF handles, the temptation of $$$ is there.

of cos they have, you forgotten the $2 setup with zero experience managing every mother son personal information everywhere. that so telling of the strict protocol they have.
 

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TI is a very well respected organisation worldwide. PAP would be daft to ignore it. :biggrin:
 

steffychun

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Let's have more countries name their ships after Singapore's "terrorists", then the spending will increase and TI will push PAP land into the bottom band.
 

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Dr Ng declared that MINDEF has strict procedures to ensure procurement systems “adhere to the highest and most rigorous standards”.

More like strict procedures to prevent public knowledge on how defence budget is spent.
 
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