Bargain Hen flies in India fighter jet, says its Excellent woh

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http://indianexpress.com/article/in...-may-choose-swedish-gripens-or-f-16s-4823046/
Not more Rafales, Air Force may choose Gripens or F-16s
The selection between these two single-engine fighter jets will be done using the Strategic Partnership (SP) model while there are no immediate plans to induct more twin-engine Rafale aircraft.

Written by Sushant Singh | New Delhi | Updated: September 1, 2017 9:22 am

36 Rafale fighters will be inducted by 2023. IAF has 32 fighter squadrons against the required 42.
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The Indian Air Force (IAF) has shortlisted American F-16 and Swedish Gripen fighter aircraft for induction into its fleet to make up the shortfall of fighter squadrons. The selection between these two single-engine fighter jets will be done using the Strategic Partnership (SP) model while there are no immediate plans to induct more twin-engine Rafale aircraft. “We are currently focused single-mindedly on the issue of procurement of single-engine fighters following the SP route,” a defence ministry official told The Indian Express. “Procurement of a twin-engine fighter is not on priority right now as the focus today is on procurement of single-engine fighters.”

The Defence Ministry had signed an order for 36 Rafale fighters with the French government last September, which will be inducted by 2023. There is a follow-up clause for buying another 36 fighters as part of the deal, which may be exercised at a later date.

The official said the Request for Information will be issued in a couple of months for approximately 100 single-engine fighters, out of which 18 will be brought to India in a fly-away condition. The rest will be manufactured under ‘Make in India’ and will include technology transfer as mandated in the SP Model.

The official confirmed only two aircraft available in the global market — F-16 and Gripen — meet IAF’s requirement criteria. Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of F-16, and Saab, which manufactures Gripen, have shown their interest in bringing their production lines to India. Last year, they had submitted their proposals, which were studied by the IAF.

Beyond The News: Big plans in the air, not much on ground yet

The IAF’s strength of 42 fighter squadrons “is the minimum strength necessary to dominate a two-front conflict’’, Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa had told The Indian Express in June. The IAF has 32 fighter squadrons and is tasked with tackling a two-front collusive threat from China and Pakistan. The reduced numbers place a severe handicap akin to a cricket team playing with seven players instead of 11, Dhanoa had said.

Due to retirement of vintage aircraft, the numbers will be going down further by 2021. By then, 11 squadrons of Mig-21 and Mig-27, which are 35 to 45 years old, will be retiring from service.

To mitigate the shortfall, besides choosing between F-16 and Gripen, the ministry is keen on IAF acquiring the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), another single-engine fighter. The IAF has placed an order for two squadrons of Tejas LCA and is in the process of placing orders for four additional LCA squadrons. But Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s production line of Tejas is unable to provide the aircraft on time, making the shortfall critical.

 

[tee_tah_beng]

Not only Indian Air Force, Indian Navy also rejected that crap jet!

ABNN Karuguni!

PRC had a good laugh!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...eet-its-requirements/articleshow/55756350.cms


Navy rejects Tejas, says 'overweight' fighter does not meet its requirements
TNN | Updated: Dec 2, 2016, 10.37 PM IST
Highlights

1. The Navy has rejected the naval version of the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft
2. Navy has said that the "overweight" fighter cannot optimally operate from aircraft carriers

Home-grown Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas became part of the Indian Air Force (IAF) family in January 2016. (TOI file photo)
NEW DELHI: The Navy has rejected the naval version of the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft , holding that the "overweight" fighter cannot optimally operate from aircraft carriers, and is now looking to induct an alternative fighter from abroad in the next five to six years.

"We will continue to support Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) but the naval LCA in its present form unfortunately does not meet our qualitative requirements for carrier capability," said Admiral Sunil Lanba on Friday.

The single-engine Tejas, which is "too heavy", does not meet the "thrust-to-weight requirement to take off with a full fuel and arms load" from an aircraft carrier's deck. At present, the Navy has inducted over 30 of the 45 MiG-29K fighters acquired from Russia for $2 billion.

Both the MiG-29Ks and the naval Tejas were supposed to operate from the 44,400-tonne carrier INS Vikramaditya as well as the under-construction 40,000-tonne INS Vikrant, which will be ready by 2019-2020.

"In addition to MiG-29Ks, we now need an alternative aircraft to operate from these two carriers. If you look around the world, there are not too many options available and we need this carrier-capable aircraft sooner than later. So, I am looking at next five to six years," said Admiral Lanba.

While the IAF is going to get at least 120 Tejas, under the LCA project which was cleared way back in 1983, while the Navy was supposed to get around 50 of the indigenous fighters. In August this year, IAF finally inducted the first two Tejas fighters in the 45 "Flying Daggers" Squadron+ , which will be fully constituted with 20 jets only by 2018.

IAF had earlier ordered 40 Tejas jets, with the defence ministry in November giving the initial approval for procurement of another 83 Tejas Mark-1A fighters from HAL for Rs 50,025 crore. The Mark-1A version, which is the one IAF really wants, will be ready only by 2020 or so. It will have an AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar and advanced electronic warfare (EW) suite, as also be capable of mid-air refuelling and firing advanced BVR (beyond visual range) missiles.

 

[tee_tah_beng]

https://www.dailyo.in/politics/iaf-...-drdo-india-pak-nuclear-war/story/1/6732.html

Why is government forcing LCA down Indian Air Force's throat?
The IAF has itself to blame for its predicament.
POLITICS
| The Bigger Picture | 4-minute read | 12-10-2015

Manoj Joshi

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The government's decision to insist that the Indian Air Force induct a large number of light combat aircraft (LCA) fighters is the kind of shock treatment that was needed to push the Make in India project. A news report says that the government has rejected the IAF's demand for 44 more Rafale aircraft, in addition to the deal for 36 announced by the government earlier this year.

Instead, the IAF has been told that the kind of numbers it wanted could only be met by inducting the LCA.

The IAF has itself to blame for its predicament. The medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) was originally intended to be a stop-gap measure to enable the LCA project to be completed. However, the IAF rigged the competition by including the heavier, more capable two-engine fighters and knocking out the best option, the Swedish Gripen. As a result, a competition for a $8 billion stop-gap fighter morphed into a huge buy involving 126 Rafales which would have cost the nation anywhere between $25-30 billion.

Requirements

Critics cite a CAG report of May 2015 claiming that the aircraft had 53 shortcomings in respect of the IAF's requirements such as an integral self-protection jammer and a radar warning receiver. They also noted that the aircraft weighed more than it should and had a lower internal fuel capacity.

But K Tamilmani, the DRDO's aerospace chief, has, more recently, said that the modified version of the LCA addressed most of the Air Force's concerns relating to electronic warfare systems, flight computer, radar and maintenance problems.

In pushing the LCA down the IAF's throat, the government has dealt with one of the two big problems faced by the project - the refusal of the IAF to take ownership of the LCA. In contrast, the Indian Navy has "owned" the LCA-Navy project and has worked with the DRDO to tweak the aircraft to meet its requirements. Some of these modifications - a stronger under-carriage and Levcons to provide it greater agility - will figure in the aircraft that will now be made for the IAF.

It needs to be noted that the LCA, which will be used for close air support or counter air missions, will not need the kind of sophisticated electronics that an aircraft designed to operate deep in enemy territory needs.

Third party assessments are that the LCA is a capable fighter, better than its counterparts like the Sino-Pak JF-17. Its use of composites which cover 90 per cent of its surface provides it natural stealth. Its design makes it highly stable and easy to fly, a fact attested to by Ruag specialists who wanted to market a tandem-seat version as a lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT).

Also read: Why Indian Navy needs fewer INS Kochis

Manufacturing

But the government still needs to deal with the second big problem - getting the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) to deal with the project with the seriousness it deserves. As the CAG report noted, the manufacturing facilities at HAL currently cater to the production of only four aircraft per year, as against the eight needed, because of delays in procuring plant and machinery, tools and the construction of production hangars. Likewise, repair and overhaul (ROH) facility for the LCA, as specified in the ASR, has not been fully created.

The HAL, which makes a great deal of money through licence-producing aircraft like the Su-30MKI, for which it charges the government Rs 100 crore more than the cost for an off-the-shelf item from Russia, couldn't be bothered with the need to encourage an Indian project.

Indeed, some years back, the Swiss-German giant Ruag, wrote to the HAL offering its expertise in setting up assembly lines to manufacture the LCA and offering an industrial partnership to sell the aircraft abroad. But the HAL did not even have the courtesy to reply.

This would be a good time for the government to look into the IAF's claim that it needs at least 45 squadrons to take on the "two-front collusive threat" from Pakistan and China. As of now, says the IAF, it only has 35 active fighter squadrons, and even this could go down to 32.

There are two issues here - the nature of war of the future. Given the fact that India, Pakistan and China are nuclear-armed states, the chances of any kind of an all-out-war are low. At worst, we may see localised clashes such as the Kargil mini-war.

Also read: How Indian Air Force made history with the Kargil War

Capabilities

But this is not something which the IAF can decide, it requires the government to make an overall strategy assessment and then pinning down the kind of capabilities India's armed forces need.

This will enable a planned acquisition of capabilities, instead of the present chaos which has led to the fiasco of the Rafale buy and the decision to halve the size of the Mountain Strike Corps.

Also read: Why Indian Army looks weak in front of China

 

[tee_tah_beng]

ABNN is fucking their own military for being unpatriotic by rejecting own made Karunguni weapons!

https://www.dailyo.in/politics/teja...ce-budget-2016-armed-forces/story/1/9604.html


IAF should stop cribbing about LCA Tejas
The fighter aircraft may not be the best, but is the best we can afford.
POLITICS
| 4-minute read | 18-03-2016

Ravi Rikhye

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Is Indian Tejas I fighter a failure or a success? Both. If we go by the Indian Air Force's specification, Tejas fails. But if we go by the level of technology mastery India has achieved, the aircraft is a success. The IAF's rejection of the Tejas on grounds of not meeting requirements is a red herring, invalid, and irrelevant.

The IAF has forgotten that it has never operated with top-of-the line fighters. In 1949 the Vampire entered the IAF service, at the same time as the NextGen F-86 started with the USAF. The Hunter was inducted around 1956, the NextGen F-100 was already in US service.

The MiG-21 arrived in 1965, but the US F-104, a much more advanced aircraft, was in service in 1960. The Su-7 entered IAF service in 1968, but the very much more advanced F-105 entered service in 1958. The MiG-23 arrived in service in 1980, the far superior F-16 entered service two years before. The Mirage 2000 entered our service ten years after the F-16 operationalised. The MiG-29 came into our service in 1985, the F-18 in 1983.

Also read - Why LCA is not all that bad for India

We got the Su-30 in 1997, but the F-18 was a match for it. We will get our stealth fighters later in the decade, yet the USAF's F-22 entered service in 2005. Even with Rafale, had it come through, we'd be 20 years behind the F-35.

We have always been behind the curve on the most of the capable aircrafts, and obviously so: we have never had the money, quite aside from political factors. We made do with what we could afford. There was no question of the best.

Yet all of a sudden, the IAF is rejecting Tejas I because it is not the best. Does the IAF realise that if it got Rafale, it would still not be the best but an entire generation behind the F-35?

We immediately need 20 fighter squadrons to fill our 45 combat squadron requirement. Including attrition and war wastage reserves, that means 500 aircraft. At Dassault's current lifecycle cost, that is $150-billion plus, four times India's current defence budget. And once Dassault had us hooked, the price would rise inexorably.

Also read - LCA Tejas: High time we move on

Next point: what IAF requirements does Tejas not fulfil? The engine and electronics are world class, if only because they are imported. The airframe is as good as what anyone not in a position to buy Western fighters can get. Agreed, the Tejas is not a Typhoon or a Rafale. But it is not supposed to be!

Tejas is a replacement for the hordes of MiG-21s we had/have. Agreed, the Swedish J-39 is a beautiful plane and as a fighter likely has better performance than the Rafale. But 500 J-39s will cost $100 plus billion lifecycle. Do we advertise for sugar daddies to buy it for us? Because we surely cannot afford it on our own!

We could, if the ministry of finance and the government would wake up and allot a proper percentage of the GDP to defence. Can anyone count on this happening? It would be foolish to assume so.

An analogy: I need - really need - a new PC to replace the El Cheapo $300 model with 4GB RAM that I have had for years. My productivity takes a serious hit every single day. I need an Apple MacBook Air costing $2500. But can I afford that? No way. So I bash on with my $300 PC, and use a $164 Google Chromebook for my laptop. There's no need for further discussion because there is no way I can do better. My whining on about my "requirements" is of zero interest to anyone. Ditto, IAF and Tejas.

Also read - Modi sarkar's $51-bn defence budget is not good enough for India's security

Admiral Gorshkov, the father of the modern Soviet Navy used to say: Better is the enemy of good enough. This seemingly simple formulation is, in reality, deeply profound. The IAF, please tattoo this adage on your forehead so you see it every time you look in a mirror.

 

[tee_tah_beng]

read so: Indian Army rejecting own national development Arjun Tanks!


Too Fucked Up! Own ABNN Army don't want to use!



http://www.firstpost.com/india/reje...ion-needed-on-defence-priorities-4208353.html



Rejecting Arjun tanks, Tejas jets bodes well for 'Make in India', but introspection needed on defence priorities
IndiaFP EditorsNov, 14 2017 15:19:57 IST
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If one is to go by the recent news reports, the Indian military has effectively junked two flagship desi weapons platforms — Arjun Main Battle Tank and Tejas Light Combat Aircraft.


What has triggered these reports are two developments, first, the Indian Army's issue of preliminary tender last week for next-generation tanks called 'Future Ready Combat Vehicles (FRCV)' and the Indian Air Force's strong pitch for a single engine fighter jets. These two instances have been taken as decisive examples of the Indian military's clear preference for foreign equipment over their indigenous equivalents or rather outdated 'equivalents'.

The Indian Air Force has rejected the induction of the next generation Tejas LCA. Reuters

While a natural tendency would be to see these rejections as the failure of the 'Make in India' policy, one has to take a nuanced view of these developments.

In case of both the Arjun MBT and the Tejas LCA, it has always been the case of unfulfilled promises with India’s defence research establishment sorely guilty of over-promising and then under delivering to the Indian armed forces.

Having worked for years on Soviet tanks, the Arjun MBT was, strictly speaking, a downgrade for the Indian Army. The same goes for the Tejas LCA and the Indian Air Force, especially considering the IAF is being promised Rafale — the 'Rolls Royce’ of fighter aircraft — and has worked on Sukhoi jets.

Having already invested significant resources in these two projects, it would have reflected badly on the Indian defence research establishment had these two platforms been shelved even before their induction into the services. Therefore, their induction was carried out in limited numbers. Yet, even as these inductions happened, a strong warning came from the serving officials of the consequent impact on India's military preparedness. Something that remains unacceptable given the revanchist behaviour of our neighbours on the eastern and western flank.

As mentioned before, this was particularly worrisome for the Indian Air Force which had already drawn up battle plans with Rafales in mind but was forced to substantially revise them with considerably lower speed and less capable Tejas LCA, whose combat worthiness has not been tested at all.


As we move forward, we have to learn our lessons from Arjun MBT and Tejas LCA. We have to look at them as technology demonstrators and move on to build a viable defence industry base. We also have to learn that 'Make in India' does not necessarily mean developing capabilities in all kinds of weapons platforms — rather developing a niche in certain areas such as aerospace, as demonstrated by private Indian defence players who are gradually building their capabilities by being part of the supply chain of global aerospace giants such as Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Sikorsky.

World over there are enough examples to suggest that barring US, Russia, UK and China, most other prominent producers in global arms market have developed a niche in one particular category, for example, Brazil’s Embraer. Surely, as a great power, we have to aspire where China, Russia or the US are, but that won’t be achieved if we try to become 'jack of all trades'. There needs to be serious introspection in the policy establishment on our defence priorities and how they can be achieved. It certainly won’t look good if we manage to produce a state of the art aerospace equipment while failing to provide even a modicum of decent rifles for our armed forces.

A reasonable approach would be to decide the areas which we want to excel in and become self-reliant and then decide to either import or license-produce rest of the needed equipment.

Also, the constant endeavour to produce tanks or fighter jets seems so outdated when one looks at the advent of unmanned systems and artificial intelligence in the global military space. While we certainly can’t think of producing such equipment, we can certainly ideate and pull together our resources for this. 'Cyber Military Industrial Complex', anyone?

 

[winnipegjets]

Wah lau ...unlimited Ah Nehs can work and live in sinkapore, thanks to our Ah Nehs PAP ministers selling out to India. Now, we want to buy Ah Neh military hardware. What's next?

Sinkapore could be the next Ah Neh state soon with one of the Ah Neh minister becoming Chief Minister.

Time for Chinese sinkee to beg China to take them in.

 

[yellowarse]

Is Ranjodh Singh about 60 years old (2 years older than Bargain Hen)?
Then, I know this Ranjodh Singh, a hockey and squash player in his school days.

59. Yes, Rafflesian. And an inveterate mahjong player at KEVII Hall.

 

[borom]

If you ask the uniform chaps, they will definitely ask for the best " toys" money can buy- as they do not have to earn the money to buy these weapons and do not care 2 hoots if thousands of jobs are lost in the domestic defence industry.
Having the best weapons does not mean winning the war -eg Vietnam, Afghanistan ect2 .
In the long run, having a solid domestic defence industry that can produce acceptable weapons is the better solution.
The Arjun MBT and the Tejas LCA is the best for their domestic needs as it creates jobs locally for both defence contractors and armed forces personnel ( as India has abundant manpower) and in the long run they can produce better weapons from the experiment with these 2 . Very often numbers count in battle and for example if 1 A1 Abrams can buy 4 Arjun, it may be better to have 4 Arjuns esp if the tank crews are
not so highly trained or lack combat experience.
Look at one country with the highest paid ministers in the world-do they give the best performance?

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Hen is breast doctor?
I thot he is some ENT specialist?
Pap touted him as successful surgeon making millions with clinic in Mount E?

 

[3_M]

The development of Tejas took almost 30years and by the time the jet was ready, it already rendered obsolete. In any case it a light aircraft with very limited payload and range. One Will be better off buying a trainer jet with some combat capabilities.

 

[whorejinx]

Wah lau ...unlimited Ah Nehs can work and live in sinkapore, thanks to our Ah Nehs PAP ministers selling out to India. Now, we want to buy Ah Neh military hardware. What's next?

Sinkapore could be the next Ah Neh state soon with one of the Ah Neh minister becoming Chief Minister.

Time for Chinese sinkee to beg China to take them in.

My prediction is SG53 will become a Colony under Ah Neh Land. China don't need and will Reject Pee Sai. China can reclaim 10 new Pee Sai not far from here any time.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Wonder who made more money. Eng Hen or Michael ‘the crook’ Lim. Both ACSians.

 

[nayr69sg]

Michael Lim

 

[Charlie99]

59. Yes, Rafflesian. And an inveterate mahjong player at KEVII Hall.

That is the same Rafflesian whom I know.
He was at KE Hall before I went to Raffles Hall.
Cheers.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Michael Lim

Lucky chap. Many complaints against him. None investigated.

And complaints were related to $$$-integrity matters. Must be coz of his PAP links that eyes were closed and ears shut.

 

[maxsanic]

I hope Ng is just exchanging pleasantries out of courtesy to his Indian hosts. This thing is 1 full generation behind operational 5G planes like F-22, F-35 and J-20. It took them 30+ years to develop and to date still struggling to find operation even within the Indian air force. It's capabilities are at best equivalent to mid range 4G fighters, which is to say very outdated considering most reasonably armed countries are now fielding 4.5G fighters like Eurofighter, Rafael, F-16 (late models), F-15 (late models), SU-30/34/35, J-10/15/16 etc.

I don't see how the LCA can even compete against a F-16V, much less the F-35 which is very likely where our future air force needs are going to be met.

 

[nayr69sg]

Lucky chap. Many complaints against him. None investigated.

And complaints were related to $$$-integrity matters. Must be coz of his PAP links that eyes were closed and ears shut.

Probably not to extent Susan Lin went.

In any case there is no guidline on fees anymore. Govt rejected SMA appeal. We wanted to put a ceiling on fees they said non competitive. As it is we had that guideline and it served us well for 20 years.

Oh well.

 

[eatshitndie]

I hope Ng is just exchanging pleasantries out of courtesy to his Indian hosts. This thing is 1 full generation behind operational 5G planes like F-22, F-35 and J-20. It took them 30+ years to develop and to date still struggling to find operation even within the Indian air force. It's capabilities are at best equivalent to mid range 4G fighters, which is to say very outdated considering most reasonably armed countries are now fielding 4.5G fighters like Eurofighter, Rafael, F-16 (late models), F-15 (late models), SU-30/34/35, J-10/15/16 etc.

I don't see how the LCA can even compete against a F-16V, much less the F-35 which is very likely where our future air force needs are going to be met.

he’s being politically correct. last thing you wish to say when being flown around by ah neh pilot is “this ah neh aircraft sucks!”

 

[Reddog]

As a member of the alliance to contain China, the decision is in the hands of USA. Not zikapore.

 

[Cottonmouth]

He couldn't make it even as a surgeon in SGH. Always fucks up the big cases like liver resection with high complication rates and still insists on doing them. His quick temper and profanities are well-known in the OT.

Once when he was doing a partial hepatectomy he was mucking around so much and causing so much blood loss (10 pints already transfused) that the attending anaesthetist Ranjodh Singh told him off: 'Eng Hen, don't you think you ought to call for help?'

The Hen replied, 'Fuck you, Ranjodh! Mind your own business.' And Ranjodh went, 'Fuck me? Fuck you!' And the two almost came to blows; they had to be restrained by the scrub staff.

The anaesthetic roster chief was called in and Ranjodh was immediately transferred to another OT for the day. The Hen almost killed a patient that day.

What did this imbecilic bitch do to get to his position today? For such a cunt, he must have fitted the PAP dog's profile.