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Atomic Bombs Dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Unnecessary..........

Victor writes the History, so whatever method, as low down as it may be, don't matter at all, just have to win.

Just imagine after 2 AB and still lost the war, The American president and generals will be on trial as war criminals and shot.
 
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In war time nothing is unnecessary .. The objective is to win ;)
 
The nuclear bomb was an act of cowardice. No country should have nuclear weapons, Some fuckers just want to watch the entire world burn.

When your mother cb is being poked by a bayonet and your father intestine is being gorged out alive , and your child is thrown in the air and downward being met by a bayonet , wonder if you think dropping nuclear bomb on them is being too kind to them given that most die instantly.
 
Do everything necessary to end the war quickly. War is bad and many lives will be lost.
 
the task of invading japan's home islands fell on macarthur. instead of invading honshu at the onset, the plan in operation downfall called for an initial invasion of kyushu, followed by honshu after establishing kyushu as a base. the ija figured correctly that the u.s. would invade kyushu in 1945. at the spring of 45, kyushu was defended by 3 divisions and 1 brigade. by august 45, the island's defenses were beefed up to 14 divisions and several independent brigades. it was only in 2006 thru' declassified documents that the japanese ketsu-go plan was revealed. in the ketsu-go plan, japan would throw every available aircraft, thousands, at the invading fleet as kamikaze one-way flights.

will discuss further if anyone is interested. i'm an avid reader of ww2 and napoleonic history. ;)

how many available aircraft? the Japanese Air Force was almost completely destroyed by spring.

the United States intelligence reports from late 1944 to Aug 1945 corroborate the immediate postwar investigation of Japan 1945 wartime condition that included interrogation of the top Japanese civil and military leaders: Japan was a defeated nation, her leaders wanted to negotiate a surrender with the right conditions but the US kept rejecting her peace overtures.


"we went in to bomb Muroran city ( Jun 1945 ). in between two narrow straits and up a bay. we were here for 5/6 hours, at least 30 knots, opened fire and came on out. we were with Japan on three sides of us. not a single Jap airplane came at us during this whole time. we just did our business. the Japanese must be pretty finished if they were going to allow us to do this." ( Admiral Oscar Badger. Military Situation in the Far East, United States Senate 1951 )
 
how many available aircraft? the Japanese Air Force was almost completely destroyed by spring.

around 1360. an estimated 800 bombers were left and reserved for bombing missions if and only if kyushu was invaded. 560 aircraft of all other types were kept both in the kanto area and korea for suicide missions if honshu was invaded. these planes would not be used to defend coastal bombardment by allied ships not perceived to be part of an invasion fleet. all remaining aircraft were kept for final bombing runs then followed by kamikaze dives on troop ships and landing crafts only, in the event of a beach head invasion. coastal defence would be left to shipless naval units manning coastal guns and batteries. however, only major naval bases would be defended by coastal guns, e.g. sasebo, as there were not enough such big guns (battleship guns reused as coastal guns) to go around.
 
around 1360. an estimated 800 bombers were left and reserved for bombing missions if and only if kyushu was invaded. 560 aircraft of all other types were kept both in the kanto area and korea for suicide missions if honshu was invaded. these planes would not be used to defend coastal bombardment by allied ships not perceived to be part of an invasion fleet. all remaining aircraft were kept for final bombing runs then followed by kamikaze dives on troop ships and landing crafts only, in the event of a beach head invasion. coastal defence would be left to shipless naval units manning coastal guns and batteries. however, only major naval bases would be defended by coastal guns, e.g. sasebo, as there were not enough such big guns (battleship guns reused as coastal guns) to go around.

your 800 bombers are the "human" guide bombs with wings? these rocket powered bombs need "mothership" aircraft such as the old betty or peggy medium bomber to carry these human guided bombs underneath its fuseluge. even there are these mothership aircrafts to available, there a serious lack of season aviators to fly these mothership. as much as the kamikaze were feared, their effectiveness were not as good as potray. most USN that were hit were not sunk due to the excellent damage control personnels in every USN ship. none of the essex class carrier, the backbone of USN, were lost to kamikaze attack. Even bunker hill can procced to pearl on her own power after being hit by suicide zeros.

the training of kamikaze were lousy as the pilots could not tell the different between a destroyer on picket duty to the main invasion fleet. The example of the USS Laffey clearly shown the japan air power was basically scrapping the bottom of the barrel. There were plenty of stories of USN aviators picking out kates in flying formation. the pilots didnt even take evasive action even when fired upon and there a number of USN and marine fighter pilots made ace in a single action.
 
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the training of kamikaze were lousy as the pilots could not tell the different between a destroyer on picket duty to the main invasion fleet. The example of the USS Laffey clearly shown the japan air power was basically scrapping the bottom of the barrel. There were plenty of stories of USN aviators picking out kates in flying formation. the pilots didnt even take evasive action even when fired upon and there a number of USN and marine fighter pilots made ace in a single action.

pretty much when a proud nation like japan started sacrificing youth for suicide pilot training, everyone, even themselves knew the end was near. they were basically destroying their future, of which they thought they had none since they would sacrifice everyone including the last person standing. americans did them a favor by ending the war earlier instead of fighting a prolonged war of willful attrition.
 
around 1360. an estimated 800 bombers were left and reserved for bombing missions if and only if kyushu was invaded. 560 aircraft of all other types were kept both in the kanto area and korea for suicide missions if honshu was invaded. these planes would not be used to defend coastal bombardment by allied ships not perceived to be part of an invasion fleet. all remaining aircraft were kept for final bombing runs then followed by kamikaze dives on troop ships and landing crafts only, in the event of a beach head invasion. coastal defence would be left to shipless naval units manning coastal guns and batteries. however, only major naval bases would be defended by coastal guns, e.g. sasebo, as there were not enough such big guns (battleship guns reused as coastal guns) to go around.

the kamikaze suicide attacks would be a futile effort but Washington was very concerned about the last ditch fight by the Japanese. the suicide attacks already inflicted serious damage on the US sea forces.

the strategic plans of the US Armed Forces for the defeat of Japan: ( prepared by Marshall ? ) ( May 1945 ? )
1) an intensified sea and air blockade and greatly intensified strategic air bombing, through the summer and early fall 1945
2) an invasion of the southern island of Kyushu by Nov 1.
3) an invasion of the main island of Honshu in the spring of 1946.

the total United States military and naval force involved - 5,000,000.
the major fighting would not end until the latter part of 1946, at the earliest.
a million US casualties and more.

the common viewpoint of the United States Navy
1) maintain the successful sea-air blockade, continue the air bombing.
2) negotiate surrender terms with the Japanese.
3) Japan was effectively defeated by sea-air blockade, destruction of shipping, attrition and will hold out until early 1946, at the latest.
4) an land invasion of Japan was unnecessary.

why did Roosevelt and later Truman chose to trust Marshall's opinions and totally ignored the collective viewpoints of MacArthur, Leahy, King and Nimitz, the people who were fighting the Japanese in the Pacific all this while, close to Japan islands, up to date intelligence reports. the Navy people surely were the experts of the Pacific war situation rather than Marshall whom was thousands of miles away in Washington. According to Leahy, Marshall was bent on bringing in Soviet Russia into the Far East war. that implied many hidden agendas why Marshall stubbornly insisted on a land invasion of Japan from Yalta to Potsdam.
 
pretty much when a proud nation like japan started sacrificing youth for suicide pilot training, everyone, even themselves knew the end was near. they were basically destroying their future, of which they thought they had none since they would sacrifice everyone including the last person standing. americans did them a favor by ending the war earlier instead of fighting a prolonged war of willful attrition.

not everyone in japan were the same. even the emperor dont want the blood of the ppl at his hand. He willing to surrender, that why the foreign minister then was authorised to make peace via russia. In the end, japan kenna backstab by stalin who ignore the japanese pleas. Even the high command did not stop the emperor from surrendering. It the junior grade officers who refuse to face the truth.

as for why so few japanese soldiers surrender during the war was not so much the BS bushido or the emperor a divine god but they worried what will happen to the families back home if they were label as coward. Families of soldiers were outcast by the society and may have their rations reduce. Even during the 1937, an officer was badly wounded during japan invasion of shanghai and was captured by the KMT after he been left for death by this own troops. After the end of that battle, there an exchange of prisoners and this officer and the rank and file who were captured by the KMT were label as cowards by the army and media. The enlisted men were dishonerably discharge and that officer was demoted and pressured to "correct his mistake". In the end, that officer(an major) commited suicide. So the banzai charged into marine massive firepower was not because the japanese riflemen were brave but because they scared of being label as cowards.

one must remember, the rank and file of the IJA then were no longer make up of the warrior class aka samurai. Even the junior officers are majority from the middle class. IJA was also a conscript army so the concept of the samurai is not what a conscript want. Like all conscripts, most only want to go home in one peace. Even toward the ending period of war, japan was not on 100% conscription because japan do not the means to arm everybody. The power of japan industial mights was not as great as ppl thought. There were instances during the war that the replacements go to the battlefield without a rifle.
 
MacArthur wrote a report that marshall cannot be trusted to commad a regiment.
 
why did Roosevelt and later Truman chose to trust Marshall's opinions and totally ignored the collective viewpoints of MacArthur, Leahy, King and Nimitz, the people who were fighting the Japanese in the Pacific all this while, close to Japan islands, up to date intelligence reports. the Navy people surely were the experts of the Pacific war situation rather than Marshall whom was thousands of miles away in Washington. According to Leahy, Marshall was bent on bringing in Soviet Russia into the Far East war. that implied many hidden agendas why Marshall stubbornly insisted on a land invasion of Japan from Yalta to Potsdam.

good question. nimitz would be one i would trust when it came to strategy for the methodical destruction of japan. macarthur would have been the one to carry it out on land as the main islands of japan are too big for the marines, which were under the u.s. navy. naturally, for a navy admiral such as nimitz, a land phase of the war was never a good idea. these two were theater commanders at the front, busy with theater strategy, campaign and battle planning. what they were missing out were global politics and strategic post-war initiatives that were already in motion.

marshall, having been the mastermind of all theaters, in fact shaping the direction of the whole war, including massive military logistics and industrialization at home (u.s. shipyards were building dozens of essex class carriers, montana class super battleships; aircraft factories were churning out hundreds of superfortresses, thousands of bombers and fighters; vehicle plants were producing tens of thousands of tanks, jeeps, halftracks, trucks), was the right hand man of fdr and was intimately involved with all strategic repositioning of the planet's face with the uk, ussr, and to a lesser degree, china.

since japan attacked pearl harbor and brought u.s. into the war, the subjugation, humiliation and occupation of japan belonged with the u.s. the ussr was given berlin and thereby the occupation of east germany. nationalist china under cks were asked if kmt forces could lend a hand in the occupation of japan, but cks declined the offer. occupation, and humiliation under occupation, were drivers in how the war should be concluded. occupation could not be achieved without unconditional surrender, as the japs would prefer to sue for peace short of conditions that would humiliate them. but the japs would never sue for peace or a conditional surrender without inflicting pain and untold damage to reach a better position for bargaining.

imo, it was that risk of untold damage to u.s. forces plus the risk of soviets grabbing real estate in the far east as quickly as possible (proven by soviet divisions barreling with ease thru' manchuria) that might force japan to surrender with terms to the soviets instead of the u.s., that marshall went along with the atomic option. the planning for operation downfall for a fullscale invasion was already in progress whether the atomic trigger was pulled or not. it was only prudent and methodical for all options to be exercised, in parallel at least in the prep phase. in the event both bombs failed to detonate or reach their ultimate effect, op downfall would be unleashed.

marshall was also intimate with both chinese warring factions, commies and nationalists alike. he was more wary of the soviets than communism in general. knowing the common enemy was japan after germany was defeated, he wanted both chinese factions to work in harmony and win land campaigns in china by destroying the jap army on the mainland before they could be re-deployed to fight on the home islands. he always had the belief that china was an important counter weight to the soviets. losing china to the soviets would be disastrous to u.s. post -war strategy as that would lead to confrontation and eventually to a new war, something the american public would find detestful and be tired of. and he was right. it led to the cold war and the korean war. he was more far-sighted, strategically-sound, and future-minded than either nimitz or macarthur could ever imagine within their limited sphere of command, influence and responsibility.
 
not everyone in japan were the same. even the emperor dont want the blood of the ppl at his hand. He willing to surrender, that why the foreign minister then was authorised to make peace via russia. In the end, japan kenna backstab by stalin who ignore the japanese pleas. Even the high command did not stop the emperor from surrendering. It the junior grade officers who refuse to face the truth.

if given a choice, the japs would rather surrender to the soviets than the u.s. as proven by their attempted overture to stalin several days after the u.s. ultimatum after potsdam. it was not like truman had not given the warning. he gave the warning to japan in the form of an ultimatum. even after the first bomb was dropped in hiroshima, the japs were attempting to mediate with the soviets instead of with americans. if stalin were to accept japan's surrender with terms, it would cause truman to go into a fit and unleash unmentionable american wrath on the japs. they would blockade the home islands from the soviets in manchuria trying to cross over for occupation, and they would air bomb japan with conventional means back to the stone age. they would kill anything that resisted. and they would execute the emperor, his cabinet and entire entourage. it was agreed by stalin in previous conferences with fdr and truman that the u.s. would force japan's surrender, and no one else. afterall, it would be japan's dishonor and disgrace to attack the u.s. without warning and force the u.s. into ww2, fight a losing war with the u.s. for several years, get their own butts kicked so badly, face impending invasion, get bombed day and night, and conveniently surrender to an ally of the u.s. and new foe which just entered the war in the far east by steamrolling thru' manchuria. instead of facing the u.s. and raising the white flag at the front door, the bastards and cowards would prefer to plead for mercy with their newfound sodomizers at their rear ends. this might explain why truman pulled the atomic trigger.
 
I don't give a shit if US will flatten Jap, what they have done to the peoples in SE Asia they deserve it. Till now 2012 they have not Apologies at all.
 
Another idiot Kena brainwashed by the PRC keep saying Japan never apologize ;) by the way , why don't the PRC kpkb saying Mao never apologize that he killed so many of its own ppl ? ;)
 
was truman at postdam or fdr? fdr didnt not inform anything to truman. truman dont even know about the manhattan project till fdr death. as for truman anti commie, it maybe so but truman inherited fdr cabinet and they were known to be leftists. even fdr wife a bloody lesbian and a known commie.

as for why truman agree to use the bomb, it could be inexperience and he trusted the chief of staff who was marshall at that time. There were theories of truman being a colonel in the artillery reserves, cannot bring himself to disagree with generals. could be BS but we will never know.
 
I don't want to use banana money.
I don't want to eat sweet potatoe everyday.
I don't want to scared the shit everyday.
I don't want to speak their language.
I don't want to suck their short short dick.

Good that the war ended. The sooner the better.
 
The nuclear bomb was an act of cowardice. No country should have nuclear weapons, Some fuckers just want to watch the entire world burn.

And oso to show the world uncle sam mightiest one.:rolleyes:
 
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