Of course, SG50 NDP is coming soon. It could also be Old Fart's last NDP.
Time to celebrate with a bang!
can just use cheap Chinese fireworks.
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As noted: all your tax dollars spent on too many F-15SGs
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can just use cheap Chinese fireworks.
The PAP is really, really,.. out of touch with the problems of the "lesser mortals". They are quick to raise the cost of living in Spore with all their price increases. Their greed extends to stealing peoples savings. If you look at all the scams they are proposing, it is theft of our CPF
I thought that maybe there is nothing left in the kitty. However when they can spend billions on white elephants, I wonder about thatBuying planes is a wasteful exercise because Spore already has the strongest air force in the regime. All our neighbours are spending their money to improve the lives of their citizens. While the PAP is busy making it harder.
How is this going to protect us from problems like poverty, overcrowding, pandemics like SARs, riots, flooding,...
If the 60% continue to support this gov't Spore is doomed.
The F-15SG white elephants are desperately needed to escort the SQ Airbus 380 carrying the Familee and other elites to political asylum mah.
This is a change from initial considerations back in the 1990s when the nature of the future combat mix was unclear. What the F-15 did was to provide a multi¬role attack aircraft capable of taking over the F-5 air-to- air role as well as the A-4 strike role - and this realised efficiencies in expenditure and operational support. This is a real change in the thinking of Singaporean force planners and it appears that the delays to the F-35 program drove it. Initial thought was that the F-35 would take over the interceptor role of the F-5 Squadrons, which explains why Singapore maintained a relatively large allotment even after exercising the F-16 and F-15 options. The delay forced a re-evaluation and the RSAF realised that it was no longer be limited to the multirole/strike/intercept concept developed for the A-4, F-5, F-16 force mix. With the F-15SG, the RSAF simply does not need three types.
This entire article is the biggest piece of bullshit I ever read. The asshole that wrote this went to great lengths to justify this useless purchase. Replacing the 40 year old A-4 and the 30 year old F-5 with the F-15SG is like replacing your old Toyota Corolla with a brand new Porsche 911 Turbo. Its not the same, and not even close. Its just a smoke screen. Any number of cheaper models like F-16 (which is also a multi-role aircraft), Grippen, and even Mirage 2000 would more than suffice. Actually with the F-15S, the RSAF has also increased its F-16 fleet, hence making the last sentence of this paragraph total bullshit. The RSAF has no plans to replace the F-16 fleet completely with the F-15SG, and would definitely need this type. By getting rid of the A-4 the RSAF has eliminated the close air support role from its mission. They are not going to use the F-15SG to do what the A-4 does, despite what they claim. The close air support role requires the aircraft to get down and dirty and run the risk of being short down by the "golden bullet" or any number of hand held SAM (MANPADS), AA guns, and short range SAMs like the Rapier class. They are not going to use a $100 million airplane to do the job of a $10 million A-4. Yet, a close air support role is still required in many air forces of today. The USAF despite having the F-15, F-35, and F-16, still use the A-10 Thunderbolt 2 for CAS missions. The RAF use the Harrier for the same mission. The Russians use the SU-25 Frogfoot for their CAS. The real role of the F-15SG is not to replace the A-4. If anything will replace the A-4, it would be the F-16s.
The real reason to buy the F-15SG is to warn the neighbours that we now have a big stick. with the big stick, we can reach out to any ASEAN capital and whack it. It tells the neighbours we can put together a strike package that comprises of F-15SG, KC-135 to refuel them, and AWACS G550 to jam enemy radar and provide radar coverage for the strike package. To me, its cheaper to buy some Scud missiles and shuttle them on trains around the MRT network to make them hard to hit.
Fucking PAP is good at spending money. And listening to the Jews and Americans. They are like a prostitute.
This entire article is the biggest piece of bullshit I ever read. The asshole that wrote this went to great lengths to justify this useless purchase. Replacing the 40 year old A-4 and the 30 year old F-5 with the F-15SG is like replacing your old Toyota Corolla with a brand new Porsche 911 Turbo. Its not the same, and not even close. Its just a smoke screen. Any number of cheaper models like F-16 (which is also a multi-role aircraft), Grippen, and even Mirage 2000 would more than suffice. Actually with the F-15S, the RSAF has also increased its F-16 fleet, hence making the last sentence of this paragraph total bullshit. The RSAF has no plans to replace the F-16 fleet completely with the F-15SG, and would definitely need this type. By getting rid of the A-4 the RSAF has eliminated the close air support role from its mission. They are not going to use the F-15SG to do what the A-4 does, despite what they claim. The close air support role requires the aircraft to get down and dirty and run the risk of being short down by the "golden bullet" or any number of hand held SAM (MANPADS), AA guns, and short range SAMs like the Rapier class. They are not going to use a $100 million airplane to do the job of a $10 million A-4. Yet, a close air support role is still required in many air forces of today. The USAF despite having the F-15, F-35, and F-16, still use the A-10 Thunderbolt 2 for CAS missions. The RAF use the Harrier for the same mission. The Russians use the SU-25 Frogfoot for their CAS. The real role of the F-15SG is not to replace the A-4. If anything will replace the A-4, it would be the F-16s.
The real reason to buy the F-15SG is to warn the neighbours that we now have a big stick. with the big stick, we can reach out to any ASEAN capital and whack it. It tells the neighbours we can put together a strike package that comprises of F-15SG, KC-135 to refuel them, and AWACS G550 to jam enemy radar and provide radar coverage for the strike package. To me, its cheaper to buy some Scud missiles and shuttle them on trains around the MRT network to make them hard to hit.
Fucking PAP is good at spending money. And listening to the Jews and Americans. They are like a prostitute.
Not to mention there are still F-5s...upgraded by ST.
This also indicates a degree of internal consistency in the RSAF purchasing additional F-15SGs - and so does rising regional tension due to Chinese claims and activities in the South China Sea.
Chinese claims in the south china sea has nothing to do with singapore. SIngapore does not have any claims at all. If anything, any regional tension from the Chinese claims would be directed at Vietnam, Japan, Phillippines and other countries in dispute with China. Nothing to do with singapore at all, therefore there never was a need to buy F-15SG to meet this mythical threat. Not only that, the chinese have no capability to mount any sustain large military action in the south china sea. They would need one or 2 carrier battle groups and they can't even get one functioning full size carrier in service. Much less project the power that would make them a threat. Even if they did sail a carrier battle group in the south china sea, the old A-4 and F-5 and definitely the F-16s were equipped with the Harpoon anti shipping missile. They would have cut the chinese fleet to ribbons. Its one thing for China to impose its military might in this region, but its completely another to carry it out. The Chinese are probably 2 decades away from doing so.
Chinese claims in the south china sea has nothing to do with singapore. SIngapore does not have any claims at all. If anything, any regional tension from the Chinese claims would be directed at Vietnam, Japan, Phillippines and other countries in dispute with China. Nothing to do with singapore at all, therefore there never was a need to buy F-15SG to meet this mythical threat. Not only that, the chinese have no capability to mount any sustain large military action in the south china sea. They would need one or 2 carrier battle groups and they can't even get one functioning full size carrier in service. Much less project the power that would make them a threat. Even if they did sail a carrier battle group in the south china sea, the old A-4 and F-5 and definitely the F-16s were equipped with the Harpoon anti shipping missile. They would have cut the chinese fleet to ribbons. Its one thing for China to impose its military might in this region, but its completely another to carry it out. The Chinese are probably 2 decades away from doing so.
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Why aren't you in MINDEF or MFA replacing the scholars?
Everything the PAP writes is a desperate attempt to justify its purchases.doesn't matter it's f4 or f5 or f15 or f16 or f35,exactly how many of these planes are going to see combat?zero.
In the early 2000s the RSAF decided that the much upgraded A-4SU Super Skyhawk fleet could no longer be cost effectively life-extended. Modern multi-role aircraft were being acquired regionally and A-4SU radar cross-section could not be further reduced: the type had reached the limit of its design capability. The Israeli Air Force had passed through this same cycle and advised the RSAF to consider a twin- engine solution to improve survivability. The RSAF considered this and agree
If the poor radar cross section signature of the A-4 was the reason to replace it, then why replace it with the F-15SG? The F-15SG is hardly a stealth aircraft at all. It was designed in the 70s and the basic shape has not changed. If the RSAF wants a really stealthy aircraft, maybe they could have asked Lockheed to start up the F-117 production line again. It does not matter whether the A-4 has reached the limits of its design. So has the F-15. You have to look at the role envisioned for the A-4 and the quality of the potential opposition that they may be used against. If you are planning to use the A-4 to move dirt and support the infantry in CAS and do interdiction, with a top cover of F-16s, no opposing air force in the region will be able to disrupt them in their mission. Aircraft in the CAS mission do not have to be stealthy at all.
As for following the fucking Jew's advice to buy the twin engined F-15 to improve survivability, the only think I can say is the stupid shits at RSAF should have asked the IAF why don't they follow their own advice? The current IAF orbat shows that they have 83 twin engined F-15s and 343 single engined F-16. If the jews really believe all the shit about survivability, then why don't they have a much higher ratio of twin engine fighters? the fact of the matter is that for a small place like singapore, any fighters we have will be used for point defence in an actual war. Just like in other countries, which might devote several squadrons to defend say a nuclear power plant, we defend this small island. SO, you scramble, u intercept, u shoot down, u land and re-arm and refuel. If your fighter plane is damaged in combat, it does not take far to fly or glide it in to a landing in any air base in singapore. If you are flying long missions to bomb HKG for example, then I can say that the RSAF will need a twin engine fighter for survivability. Exactly who does MINDEF envision to be a very long distance enemy?
The worse case scenario is that the F-15 line was winding production down. Orders have dried up for this plane. Boeing would have to close the assembly plant if no new orders were forthcoming. Along comes the white knight to rescue them, the taxpayers of singapore. So Obama shoved his big black cock up Gay Loong's rectum, and the bapok agreed to buy the F-15 to keep the production line open, save american jobs, and be the big hero for Obama. I suspect that this might be the real reason we bought the useless F-15s.
If the poor radar cross section signature of the A-4 was the reason to replace it, then why replace it with the F-15SG? The F-15SG is hardly a stealth aircraft at all. It was designed in the 70s and the basic shape has not changed. If the RSAF wants a really stealthy aircraft, maybe they could have asked Lockheed to start up the F-117 production line again. It does not matter whether the A-4 has reached the limits of its design. So has the F-15. You have to look at the role envisioned for the A-4 and the quality of the potential opposition that they may be used against. If you are planning to use the A-4 to move dirt and support the infantry in CAS and do interdiction, with a top cover of F-16s, no opposing air force in the region will be able to disrupt them in their mission. Aircraft in the CAS mission do not have to be stealthy at all.
As for following the fucking Jew's advice to buy the twin engined F-15 to improve survivability, the only think I can say is the stupid shits at RSAF should have asked the IAF why don't they follow their own advice? The current IAF orbat shows that they have 83 twin engined F-15s and 343 single engined F-16. If the jews really believe all the shit about survivability, then why don't they have a much higher ratio of twin engine fighters? the fact of the matter is that for a small place like singapore, any fighters we have will be used for point defence in an actual war. Just like in other countries, which might devote several squadrons to defend say a nuclear power plant, we defend this small island. SO, you scramble, u intercept, u shoot down, u land and re-arm and refuel. If your fighter plane is damaged in combat, it does not take far to fly or glide it in to a landing in any air base in singapore. If you are flying long missions to bomb HKG for example, then I can say that the RSAF will need a twin engine fighter for survivability. Exactly who does MINDEF envision to be a very long distance enemy?
The worse case scenario is that the F-15 line was winding production down. Orders have dried up for this plane. Boeing would have to close the assembly plant if no new orders were forthcoming. Along comes the white knight to rescue them, the taxpayers of singapore. So Obama shoved his big black cock up Gay Loong's rectum, and the bapok agreed to buy the F-15 to keep the production line open, save american jobs, and be the big hero for Obama. I suspect that this might be the real reason we bought the useless F-15s.
U have to be pro PAP and suck PAP lancheow. Do I look like that to you?
The Jordanian pilot killed was flying a F-16, not F-15. But it raises my point, which is that if you use an aircraft to hit ground targets, you will expose it to all manner of hand held SAMs, AA guns and even AK-47s. ISIS claims that it shot the plane down with a hand held SAM. No one knows if its true or not. But the Royal Jordanian Air Force flies older F-16As. They are a fraction the value of a new F-15SG. Much as you hate to lose a F-16A, its much worse to lose a F-15SG. In monetary terms, 10 times more. The Jordanians use their F-16s in the same role we used our A-4s. I hope to god that the morons at RSAF are not planning to use the F-15 in this role.
In fact, you can half the number of planes we have and they will still not see combat. A smart enemy will avoid combat with our air force which is surely to be superior to their. a sea embargo would make more sense.
Originally Posted by vtran2684 View Post
Why aren't you in MINDEF or MFA replacing the scholars?
Good that you are one of the individuals, who have a set of principles and integrity, and ignore the glory, fame and money.
Why aren't you in MINDEF or MFA replacing the scholars?
Good that you are one of the individuals, who have a set of principles and integrity, and ignore the glory, fame and money.
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