Arteries Stuck?????
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I don't go to a Traditional Chinese doctor. I don't know enough of TCM so I rely on the western system . Many of the supplements which I get from the US has it's roots in China, Greece, Europe etc: hawthorn, garlic, cilantro, chlorella... The heath books I read are written by MDs or PHDs.
The majority of supplements I'm taking is to ensure I get sufficient nutients: multi-vitamins, magnesium/potassium, Ubiquinol, Omega3, quercetin, garlic/tumeric, vit E, alpha lipoic acid, pomegranate, reseveratrol, Vit C, NAC, MSM, Gingko, hawthorne, lutein, Maca, Carnitine, ... I also take mlm products some of which I find effective
Many of the ideas on chelation, EECP, supplementation are based on studies. More importantly is that they are non-invasive treatments & non-toxic.
Problems like type 2 diabetes, heart, cancer cannot be controlled by cutting up ones body. I am in the opinion that the solution is to detoxify and strength the body through exercise/supplementation. I've seen older friends & relatives die of old age but nowadays the new generation are comming down with problems like heart & cancer
Suspect that alot of the problems can be traced to the many man made chemicals :(Did you have it done in Spore
Others may be considering the procedure. If you don't mind sharing with others:
How much did it cost out of pocket & from medisave?
How long was the convalescent period in the hospital? and at home? How long before you could confidently return to your normal schedule?
Before I found out about the alternatives I was considering going to Malaysia & Thailand to have it done there. Touch wood it didn't come to that
Nothing to do with being lazy or that you are hardworking and have completed your own series of due diligence. My mother in law swears by magnetic beds and she too has claimed that she did her due diligence by checking with a Japanese institute and other people.
The fact is that it is not recognised as a medical procedure or treatment by any government in the world is telling. If something works or has reasonable levels of success, it will be be endorsed. Arguments like politics among doctors preventing acceptable treatments is laughable. The essential behinds Chelation is no different to the ancient practice of trying to remove harmful toxins from the body. That is why colon cleansing suddenly shot up in popularity until someone died in Chinatown.
There are thousands of people who bought magnetic beds, MLM products who will swear blind that it works. That is why good medicine requires extensive test based on acceptable and recognised methodology. Someone doing extensive research, due diligence, hardwork etc does not make you smarter than someone who visits a reputable and established medical practitioner after getting a referral from a friend .
However, the value of iron-chelation therapy in terms of meaningful health outcomes remains dubious for both MDS and PMF, say the researchers, headed by Ayalew Tefferi, MD, professor of medicine and hematology at the Mayo Clinic. Their study was published in the May issue of the American Journal of Hematology.
By the way, the Mayo clinic does not sell Mayonnaise.
The fact is that it is not recognised as a medical procedure or treatment by any government in the world is telling. If something works or has reasonable levels of success, it will be be endorsed. Arguments like politics among doctors preventing acceptable treatments is laughable. The essential behinds Chelation is no different to the ancient practice of trying to remove harmful toxins from the body. That is why colon cleansing suddenly shot up in popularity until someone died in Chinatown.
There are thousands of people who bought magnetic beds, MLM products who will swear blind that it works. That is why good medicine requires extensive test based on acceptable and recognised methodology. Someone doing extensive research, due diligence, hardwork etc does not make you smarter than someone who visits a reputable and established medical practitioner after getting a referral from a friend .
However, the value of iron-chelation therapy in terms of meaningful health outcomes remains dubious for both MDS and PMF, say the researchers, headed by Ayalew Tefferi, MD, professor of medicine and hematology at the Mayo Clinic. Their study was published in the May issue of the American Journal of Hematology.
By the way, the Mayo clinic does not sell Mayonnaise.
Before I started taking the procedure from an approved physician I did due diligence & did my homework checking on the efficacy of the procedure: read some books, talked to people who had undergone the procedure. I've done 20+ IV sessions & I can recommend the procedure.
It is a simple procedure where a patients receives an Intravenous drip containing EDT, magnesium, Vit C,... which takes 3 hours. The only discomfort is when the IV needle is inserted & withdrawn, there is a burning sensation at the begining of the session but they can reduce/eliminate this.
FYI IV chelation is an approved medical procedure that's been around for 40+ years. Only licensed doctors are allowed to administer the procedures
in Spore, Malaysia,. Indonesia, US, Europe...
A heart problem is not a simple cold. Not something a placebo would help with. Talk to any survivor & they'll tell you about the heart palpitations, shoulder pains(angina), lack of energy & breath.
There's alot of politics in the health care profession. It's about $$$. My ex-cardiologist would only prescribes approved patented medication like statins, plavix,... Approved medication cost me about $400-$500 a month in Spore. In Malaysia I can get plavix at 1/3 the cost in Spore
Spore doctors want to protect their bigger rice bowl but if its at the cost of my health I'll go elsewhere lah. In Malaysia the clinic I went to for my chelation treatment was also offering EECP(ehanced external counter pulsation). Why isn't the tratment available in Spore? This treatment is approved & available in the US. Hint: it's to protect their $$$. If you want to find out about EECP, can get books about the procedure at Amazon"
http://www.amazon.com/Enhanced-Exte...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277262916&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Heal-Your-Hea...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277263367&sr=1-1
I as a consumer am looking out for the best available treatment not only the ones Approved by the Spore Medical board. I had to do my own homework & spend $$$ to get all this info. Wish someone had spoon fed me this infoHowever if you want to be lazy & trust in the doctors, its your $$$ & your health. All the $$$ I spent on chelation, EECP, supplemets came out of my own pocket. I'm putting my $$$ where my mouth is
Go read the two books for the background on chelation & why there is alot of resistance by the medical establishment against it, basically it's because of $$$.
First of all let's clarify that I'm talking about IV chelation, not about colon cleansing, magnetic mattress,... I really don't know anything about those procedures
Chelation is an approved medical procedure. It can only be conducted by a licenced doctors. It IS being used to help those with cardiac problems .
It is being done at the KL clinic I went to. I also know that it's being offered in Bangkok, Spore, Jakarta, but I chose to do in in KL. .
The authors of the 2 books I recommended are practising doctors which are giving chelations treatments to their patients in the US.
I think you need to understand what chelation is about. Go look at the following videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaxzbVRnmqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2CDZYkFRG8
Notice that no mention is made of "a placebo effect"
For those curious about EECP(ehanced external counter pulsation) therapy here are some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M55_H8JS5i4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjU29pxyTlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jub2u9PNAuY&feature=related
Studies have found that doing 35 one hour sessions resulted in new arteries developing. This treatment is NOT available in Spore. However you can get this treatment in KL or JB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M55_H8JS5i4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjU29pxyTlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jub2u9PNAuY&feature=related
Studies have found that doing 35 one hour sessions resulted in new arteries developing. This treatment is NOT available in Spore. However you can get this treatment in KL or JB.
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Can use medisave?
Mayo Clinic, a world renown medical authority has called it dubious and you want me to read 2 books for what. There are thousands of books on dubious alternative practices from Shamanism to copper bangles. All these are also offered in KL, Bangkok and all round the world. You are fooling yourself. Its a dubious procedure and not recognised for the treatment of heart diseases. Its not approved by any medical body anywhere in the world. All you have to do is write to Medical Boards of any country and they will tell you that it is not a medically recognised procedure.
In many countries, you do not need be a medical doctor or even some form of medical background to do chelation.
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4493
Chelation Therapy
AHA Recommendation
The American Heart Association has reviewed the available literature on using chelation (ke-LA'shun) (E.D.T.A., ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid) to treat arteriosclerotic (ar-te"re-o-skleh-ROT'ik) heart disease. We found no scientific evidence to demonstrate any benefit from this form of therapy.
Chelation therapy is a recognized treatment for heavy metal (such as lead) poisoning. EDTA, injected into the blood, will bind the metals and allow them to be removed from the body in the urine. Chelation therapy is not approved by the FDA to treat coronary artery disease, but some physicians and alternative medicine practitioners use it for this purpose.
Up to now, there have been no adequate, controlled, published scientific studies using currently approved scientific methodology to support this therapy for cardiovascular disease. The United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the American College of Cardiology all agree with the American Heart Association on this point.
In August 2002, the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) and the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), which are both components of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), announced the launch of the Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy (TACT). This is the first large-scale, multicenter study to find out if EDTA chelation therapy is safe and effective for people with coronary heart disease. This placebo-controlled, double-blind study involves participants age 50 years and older who’ve had a heart attack, and is expected to reach a total enrollment of 1,950. Participants are representative of the U.S. population. TACT will be much larger than any prior study of chelation therapy — large enough to show if chelation therapy has mild or moderate benefits.
This study is being done because there is a public health need to conduct a large, well-designed clinical trial to find out if chelation therapy is safe and effective for treating people with coronary heart disease. If people use chelation therapy and it doesn’t work, they may be deprived of the well-established benefits from the many other valuable methods of treating these diseases, such as lifestyle modifications, medications and surgical procedures.
The trial is taking place at about 100 research sites across the United States and is testing EDTA chelation therapy by using the most widely practiced means of administering it. The trial began in 2003; patients receive 30 weekly intravenous treatments, then 10 more treatments given bimonthly, over a 28-month period. They also receive high doses of vitamins, which are also often given with chelation therapy. (The effect of such vitamin doses will also be examined in the trial.) The study is expected to be completed in 2010. To learn more, visit nccam.nih.gov and ClinicalTrials.gov.
For more information about chelation therapy, see the American Heart Association online pamphlet, Questions and Answers About Chelation Therapy.
In many countries, you do not need be a medical doctor or even some form of medical background to do chelation.
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4493
Chelation Therapy
AHA Recommendation
The American Heart Association has reviewed the available literature on using chelation (ke-LA'shun) (E.D.T.A., ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid) to treat arteriosclerotic (ar-te"re-o-skleh-ROT'ik) heart disease. We found no scientific evidence to demonstrate any benefit from this form of therapy.
Chelation therapy is a recognized treatment for heavy metal (such as lead) poisoning. EDTA, injected into the blood, will bind the metals and allow them to be removed from the body in the urine. Chelation therapy is not approved by the FDA to treat coronary artery disease, but some physicians and alternative medicine practitioners use it for this purpose.
Up to now, there have been no adequate, controlled, published scientific studies using currently approved scientific methodology to support this therapy for cardiovascular disease. The United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the American College of Cardiology all agree with the American Heart Association on this point.
In August 2002, the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) and the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), which are both components of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), announced the launch of the Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy (TACT). This is the first large-scale, multicenter study to find out if EDTA chelation therapy is safe and effective for people with coronary heart disease. This placebo-controlled, double-blind study involves participants age 50 years and older who’ve had a heart attack, and is expected to reach a total enrollment of 1,950. Participants are representative of the U.S. population. TACT will be much larger than any prior study of chelation therapy — large enough to show if chelation therapy has mild or moderate benefits.
This study is being done because there is a public health need to conduct a large, well-designed clinical trial to find out if chelation therapy is safe and effective for treating people with coronary heart disease. If people use chelation therapy and it doesn’t work, they may be deprived of the well-established benefits from the many other valuable methods of treating these diseases, such as lifestyle modifications, medications and surgical procedures.
The trial is taking place at about 100 research sites across the United States and is testing EDTA chelation therapy by using the most widely practiced means of administering it. The trial began in 2003; patients receive 30 weekly intravenous treatments, then 10 more treatments given bimonthly, over a 28-month period. They also receive high doses of vitamins, which are also often given with chelation therapy. (The effect of such vitamin doses will also be examined in the trial.) The study is expected to be completed in 2010. To learn more, visit nccam.nih.gov and ClinicalTrials.gov.
For more information about chelation therapy, see the American Heart Association online pamphlet, Questions and Answers About Chelation Therapy.
Go read the two books for the background on chelation & why there is alot of resistance by the medical establishment against it, basically it's because of $$$.
First of all let's clarify that I'm talking about IV chelation, not about colon cleansing, magnetic mattress,... I really don't know anything about those procedures
Chelation is an approved medical procedure. It can only be conducted by a licenced doctors. It IS being used to help those with cardiac problems .
It is being done at the KL clinic I went to. I also know that it's being offered in Bangkok, Spore, Jakarta, but I chose to do in in KL. .
The authors of the 2 books I recommended are practising doctors which are giving chelations treatments to their patients in the US.
I think you need to understand what chelation is about. Go look at the following videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaxzbVRnmqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2CDZYkFRG8
Notice that no mention is made of "a placebo effect"
If you read the 2 books you will get a wider view & understand the poliitics behind what's going on in the US & why some of them are against chelation. Nothing is black & white, if you are going to refuse to keep an open mind then go ahead & blindly accept what the Spore system of doctors will do to you. It's your health & money
I have gone through both IV & oral chelation & it has helped me tremendously but again its your own health, just be aware of the options. I find it strange that anyone would trust a single doctor's opinion on something as serious as one's health. Don't forget that I've read the 2 books & understand the politics behind the medical bizness in the US
Before deciding on something as serious as a heart operation
I googled, search youtube, talk to colleagues & friends. & finally talked to doctors about chelation.
I'm sure people are looking for alternatives to surgery. Who can afford the high cost of hospitalisation & surgery when it's unnecessary
Don't forget that with surgery there are added risks of complications such as infection & death. Surgery is no fun, I have alot of experience with sugery & hospitals in Canada. Chelation is relatively cheap & very safe. In KL it's only RM$250(37 plates of kway teow
) per session. The only limitation is that you need to wait 2 days between sessions.You can only use medisave if the PAP can make $$$ in one of their approved hospitals. Even if you want to do surgery in Thailand where it's cheaper, I doubt you can get coverage under medisave. :(
Recently read that some procedures in foreign hospitals would be covered if it was a referral by a Spore doctor.
Back when I was doing EECP in KL it cost me RM$300 per session. Total of RM$10,500 for 35 sessions. If you decide to go for EECP, you can have up to 2 sessions per day. The 35 sessions should be preferably continuous, i.e treatment every day. Delays between sessions of a few days should ok but not weeks.
For chelation it wass RM$250/session. The only limitation is that there is a rest period of 2 days between sessions. This is to avoid putting stress on the kidneys.
They have a branch in JB but prices of EECP/chelation is higher than the KL clinic.
I've started doing EECP in JB & just wanted to make a correction. The advertised prices for ECCP treatment in JB is higher than in KL, but the real prices is much cheaper because the doctor offers discounts
However they only have two EECP beds. Sometimes you have to wait.
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From what I understand, 30% to 40% stenosis (blockage) considered no problem.
Important thing is not only how many percent stenosis. More important is how many of the 3 main arteries are blocked. If only one blocked, balloon will solve the problem. If 2 or 3 kena, must go for bypass.
They can put you through many different type of scans and tests, but the final and ultimate procedure is the angiogram, where they insert a cathether through your groin, into your heart and insert some kind of dye to show which arteries are blocked and how badly.
If only one artery blocked, they will do the balloon and place the stent on the spot, in the same operation.
Important thing is not only how many percent stenosis. More important is how many of the 3 main arteries are blocked. If only one blocked, balloon will solve the problem. If 2 or 3 kena, must go for bypass.
They can put you through many different type of scans and tests, but the final and ultimate procedure is the angiogram, where they insert a cathether through your groin, into your heart and insert some kind of dye to show which arteries are blocked and how badly.
If only one artery blocked, they will do the balloon and place the stent on the spot, in the same operation.
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