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anyone still using NATIONAL window casement aircon at home?

ykhuser

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20 plus years and it is still running fine.
cant seem to find national brand in the market anymore. vintage:biggrin:

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base on the spec,is it correct to say it consume
230 x 4.4 = 1.012 kwh energy
is about paying :
$0.25 or $0.30 per hour of enjoyment?

i have 1 national casement in room 1
1 portable acma aircon in room 2 ( 7600btu)

is it worth to scrap the current 2 aircon and upgrade to inverter system 2 so that paying less bill?
 

ykhuser

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anyone knows why the spec calculation just dont tally up?
watt= current x voltage
4A x 220 = 880watt or 0.88kwh
but the tag label 750watt?

label also say 7600btu.
after convert is 2.2268kwh

750watt compare to 2226.8watt is lot different.
anyone can help?
 

sochi2014

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These aircons are freaking noisy. And they drip too. Lucky angmo countries no need aircons. The entire country is already cooling.
 

ykhuser

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These aircons are freaking noisy. And they drip too. Lucky angmo countries no need aircons. The entire country is already cooling.

noisy yes they are.dripping?havent disturb by it

they are the favorite of site work make shift container.
 

frenchbriefs

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the btu on a casement aircon is much much different from the btu on a portable aircon......casement aircons are way more efficient....but for electric consumption u should mainly look at the wattage on the electrical equipment.....as rule of thumb portable aircon is only 50% as efficient at best depending on a number of factors...so u need twice as much btu to achieve the same cooling as a casement aircon....for example casement aircon 5000 btu,portable aircon needs at least 10,000 btu to cool the same room......this is why portable aircon are seldom labelled as energy efficient units......

first of all the entire unit of the portable aircon is inside the room,which means a huge amount of heat is generated by the unit while the compressor is running which is additional load of heat the aircon must carry in order to remove heat from inside the room to exterior,this contributes to a 30% loss in efficiency.

window casement aircon most of the unit is outside of the room(including the compressor)which means the only part of the aircon thats in the room is the aperture that blows the cold air in,this means the room cools way faster,

second are the exhaust pipes of the portable air con,depending on whether u have 2 hoses or single hose......single hose are more inefficient,single hose aircon only blows hot air out of the room,since there is no intake pipe to take in air from outside the room,the air con sucks in air from inside the room(which is already cooled)to cool the compressor and blow the hot air out of the room......this creates a vacuum like effect in the room,since theres less air inside the room,the lower air pressure sucks in air from outside to room to fill the inequilibrium.....that means hot air is gradually leaking into the room from outside thus further wasting ur cooling power....

thirdly the insulation of ur exhaust pipes.......
 

ykhuser

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the btu on a casement aircon is much much different from the btu on a portable aircon......casement aircons are way more efficient....but for electric consumption u should mainly look at the wattage on the electrical equipment.....as rule of thumb portable aircon is only 50% as efficient at best depending on a number of factors...so u need twice as much btu to achieve the same cooling as a casement aircon....for example casement aircon 5000 btu,portable aircon needs at least 10,000 btu to cool the same room......this is why portable aircon are seldom labelled as energy efficient units......

first of all the entire unit of the portable aircon is inside the room,which means a huge amount of heat is generated by the unit while the compressor is running which is additional load of heat the aircon must carry in order to remove heat from inside the room to exterior,this contributes to a 30% loss in efficiency.

window casement aircon most of the unit is outside of the room(including the compressor)which means the only part of the aircon thats in the room is the aperture that blows the cold air in,this means the room cools way faster,

second are the exhaust pipes of the portable air con,depending on whether u have 2 hoses or single hose......single hose are more inefficient,single hose aircon only blows hot air out of the room,since there is no intake pipe to take in air from outside the room,the air con sucks in air from inside the room(which is already cooled)to cool the compressor and blow the hot air out of the room......this creates a vacuum like effect in the room,since theres less air inside the room,the lower air pressure sucks in air from outside to room to fill the inequilibrium.....that means hot air is gradually leaking into the room from outside thus further wasting ur cooling power....

thirdly the insulation of ur exhaust pipes.......

well analysis you have
 

kkbutterfly

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the btu on a casement aircon is much much different from the btu on a portable aircon......casement aircons are way more efficient....but for electric consumption u should mainly look at the wattage on the electrical equipment.....as rule of thumb portable aircon is only 50% as efficient at best depending on a number of factors...so u need twice as much btu to achieve the same cooling as a casement aircon....for example casement aircon 5000 btu,portable aircon needs at least 10,000 btu to cool the same room......this is why portable aircon are seldom labelled as energy efficient units......

first of all the entire unit of the portable aircon is inside the room,which means a huge amount of heat is generated by the unit while the compressor is running which is additional load of heat the aircon must carry in order to remove heat from inside the room to exterior,this contributes to a 30% loss in efficiency.

window casement aircon most of the unit is outside of the room(including the compressor)which means the only part of the aircon thats in the room is the aperture that blows the cold air in,this means the room cools way faster,

second are the exhaust pipes of the portable air con,depending on whether u have 2 hoses or single hose......single hose are more inefficient,single hose aircon only blows hot air out of the room,since there is no intake pipe to take in air from outside the room,the air con sucks in air from inside the room(which is already cooled)to cool the compressor and blow the hot air out of the room......this creates a vacuum like effect in the room,since theres less air inside the room,the lower air pressure sucks in air from outside to room to fill the inequilibrium.....that means hot air is gradually leaking into the room from outside thus further wasting ur cooling power....

thirdly the insulation of ur exhaust pipes.......

ya.same thoughts exactly.there is ever a model of portable aircon where the compressor is pipe outdoor with the blower indoor. the 2 units is connected via a heat exchange pipe
 

nayr69sg

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These aircons are freaking noisy. And they drip too. Lucky angmo countries no need aircons. The entire country is already cooling.

The way aircon works is a heat exchanger or mover. It take heat out of a room to the outside. In other words it heats up the outside. The ultimate global warmer. And sinkieland has millions of zircons working 24/7.
 

laksaboy

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When I was a kid, my dad installed our first aircon unit that looked similar to that. It was a Hitachi. There was a plastic flap covering the controls on the front. A turn dial adjusted the temperature.
 

Narong Wongwan

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These aircons are freaking noisy. And they drip too. Lucky angmo countries no need aircons. The entire country is already cooling.
Dumbfuck unless you live in places like Siberia or Greenland....else you still need aircons in angmo countries come summer time

and all aircons ‘drip’ water.....only in the new type they have a pipe/tube to drain the water out
 

nayr69sg

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Dumbfuck unless you live in places like Siberia or Greenland....else you still need aircons in angmo countries come summer time

and all aircons ‘drip’ water.....only in the new type they have a pipe/tube to drain the water out


I wouldn't say need lah. Good to have. Luxury.

In Calgary during summer it is only maybe less than 20 days where the temperature is high enough where we will want to turn on aircon.

And I am referring to temperature above +20 degrees Celsius.

Those days above +30 Celsius is just a handful usually.
 

kkbutterfly

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The way aircon works is a heat exchanger or mover. It take heat out of a room to the outside. In other words it heats up the outside. The ultimate global warmer. And sinkieland has millions of zircons working 24/7.

sg no aircon cannot la.most of our lady have smelly armpits.they like to air their BO with only 1 sport bra walking about
 

Narong Wongwan

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sg no aircon cannot la.most of our lady have smelly armpits.they like to air their BO with only 1 sport bra walking about
Sg morons follow stewpig Govt like to set aircon at 25 degrees wtf? Save energy? Save energy get a fan la.
Even ah gong say 19 degrees is optimum
 
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