Another Bad PAP Policy

[TracyTan866]

Another bad PAP policy is health care in SG. Reasons are:

1. Capping training of doctors to abt 300 per year for many years. This is not enough to replace doctors who leave public hospitals after their bond and senior doctors retiring, let alone cater to growth and career upgrading. This has caused a severe shortage of doctors in public hospitals resulting in bad working conditions for younger doctors.

2. Using Medisave to pay for hospital bills..this caused severe overcharging of medical services in public hospital and giving Singaporeans a false sense of affordibility

3. Inadequate provision of medical facilities and beds to cater to the greying of Singaporeans

4. Didnt plan for and cater to the increased demands in medical care as a result of huge influx of cheap foreign labour.

Past Health Ministers...HYC, GCT, etc, have been negligent...But most of all, GCT and LHL, as PMs, are liable for mismanaging SG's health care

 

[TracyTan866]

Another bad PAP policy is health care in SG. Reasons are:

1. Capping training of doctors to abt 300 per year for many years. This is not enough to replace doctors who leave public hospitals after their bond and senior doctors retiring, let alone cater to growth and career upgrading. This has caused a severe shortage of doctors in public hospitals resulting in bad working conditions for younger doctors.

2. Using Medisave to pay for hospital bills..this caused severe overcharging of medical services in public hospital and giving Singaporeans a false sense of affordibility

3. Inadequate provision of medical facilities and beds to cater to the greying of Singaporeans

4. Didnt plan for and cater to the increased demands in medical care as a result of huge influx of cheap foreign labour.

Past Health Ministers...HYC, GCT, etc, have been negligent...But most of all, GCT and LHL, as PMs, are liable for mismanaging SG's health care

1) Capping number of doctors showed that the pap lacked foresight and planning. The pap should know that 300 per year will not be enough and should have invested in capability building and increase the number of MBBS places in NUS

2) Using Medisave to help pay for health care is pure greed to enable the pap to subtly squeeze singaporeans dry of their savings. It is like boiling the frog

3) Not anticipating and planning for future infrastructural needs is incompetence. With all the govt information and statistics, how could MOH miscalculated so badly the future health care needs?

4) MOH is negligent in not providing the health requirement inputs and implications to the Cabinet when they deliberated on increasing foreign labour into SG in the early 2000s.

 

[freedalas]

Another bad PAP policy is health care in SG. Reasons are:

1. Capping training of doctors to abt 300 per year for many years. This is not enough to replace doctors who leave public hospitals after their bond and senior doctors retiring, let alone cater to growth and career upgrading. This has caused a severe shortage of doctors in public hospitals resulting in bad working conditions for younger doctors.

2. Using Medisave to pay for hospital bills..this caused severe overcharging of medical services in public hospital and giving Singaporeans a false sense of affordibility

3. Inadequate provision of medical facilities and beds to cater to the greying of Singaporeans

4. Didnt plan for and cater to the increased demands in medical care as a result of huge influx of cheap foreign labour.

Past Health Ministers...HYC, GCT, etc, have been negligent...But most of all, GCT and LHL, as PMs, are liable for mismanaging SG's health care

Yup! The cracks are widening and fault lines appearing at quicker pace. The PAP was basking in the short term successes of its policies and just based on that claimed that S'pore is a First World Country. Now the real consequences of their flawed policies are surfacing one by one and at times a few at the same time. Watch this space. More to come.

 

[lee6100]

Another bad PAP policy is health care in SG. Reasons are:

Every year, many good kids leave our shores to study medicine because they are not given the chance to do it here. Never to come back. It's saddening how much talent we have lost over the years.

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread....-cause-for-doctor-shortage-in-Singapore-today

Kwa Soon Bee - the real cause for doctor shortage in Singapore today



Kwa Soon Bee (brother of Kwa Geok Choo, and Lee Kuan Yew's brother-in -law) in 1993 who was the Permanent Secretary of Health then, reduced the number of medical degrees recognised by the Singapre Medical Council (SMC) from 176 to 28.

His reasoning was that he wanted to prevent an 'oversupply' of doctors. So by passing the Medical Registration Act (cap 174) 1993, only 28 medical degrees were recognised by the SMC for registration.

And of course in 1979, he was also responsible for putting a cap (limited to one third of the intake of each cohort) on the number of female medical students to pursue the MBBS course at NUS.

In short, he caused the shortage of doctors today in Singapore, so that is why you have Indian doctors whith Indian Medical degrees and PRC Chinese doctors with China degrees working in the restructured hospitals and polyclinics.

The local Singapore students (especially female students) who wanted to study medicine were not given the chance then. Now, today Indian and PRC doctors stand to gain by taking the places of these students then (who were not allowed to take up medicine).

Kwa Soon Bee you, in a word you are: - incompetent

 

[TracyTan866]

Yup! The cracks are widening and fault lines appearing at quicker pace. The PAP was basking in the short term successes of its policies and just based on that claimed that S'pore is a First World Country. Now the real consequences of their flawed policies are surfacing one by one and at times a few at the same time. Watch this space. More to come.

The pap is in reactive mode . trying to patch up all the bad policies..but more cracks are showing

 

[TracyTan866]

Every year, many good kids leave our shores to study medicine because they are not given the chance to do it here. Never to come back. It's saddening how much talent we have lost over the years.

Very true.

But how many Singaporeans know and share the pains of these doctors and their families??

and also the sons and daughters of Singaporeans who cant afford to send them to overseas medical schools.

 

[TracyTan866]

Every year, many good kids leave our shores to study medicine because they are not given the chance to do it here. Never to come back. It's saddening how much talent we have lost over the years.

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread....-cause-for-doctor-shortage-in-Singapore-today

Kwa Soon Bee - the real cause for doctor shortage in Singapore today



Kwa Soon Bee (brother of Kwa Geok Choo, and Lee Kuan Yew's brother-in -law) in 1993 who was the Permanent Secretary of Health then, reduced the number of medical degrees recognised by the Singapre Medical Council (SMC) from 176 to 28.

His reasoning was that he wanted to prevent an 'oversupply' of doctors. So by passing the Medical Registration Act (cap 174) 1993, only 28 medical degrees were recognised by the SMC for registration.

And of course in 1979, he was also responsible for putting a cap (limited to one third of the intake of each cohort) on the number of female medical students to pursue the MBBS course at NUS.

In short, he caused the shortage of doctors today in Singapore, so that is why you have Indian doctors whith Indian Medical degrees and PRC Chinese doctors with China degrees working in the restructured hospitals and polyclinics.

The local Singapore students (especially female students) who wanted to study medicine were not given the chance then. Now, today Indian and PRC doctors stand to gain by taking the places of these students then (who were not allowed to take up medicine).

Kwa Soon Bee you, in a word you are: - incompetent

KSB was at fault...but the pap is more liable.

the pap determined the political and strategic goals for health care. KSB advised professional and implemented the political decisions

 

[Fook Seng]

I get the feeling that the ruling party views the dystopian societies of engineering people into social classes, as depicted in some fictions such as the Brave New World, through Utopian eyes.

This is frightening but there are ample evidence that this is being practised. The early streaming of school children, the limitation of places in higher institutes of learning, in the name of withholding high standards, all point to this segmentation being practised.

The protection of the elite class, whether in their incomes or their
privileges or that of their descendents is a manifestation of this tendency, that after so many years, is now embedded in the whole governance philosophy.

This is key reason why the Gini coefficient is so high compared to other countries of similar GDP per capita level. This is also the reason why, other that the few anecdotal exceptions used for PR purposes, the bulk of the population is socially immobile.

The main obstacle of mobility is the practice of deliberate segmentation through the education system. The common people and the poor depend on getting a good education to move up but places are limited. The elites do not need any help. They can send their children to elite schools overseas and if they do come back, these children become the chieftains of the new generation.

 

[Tailok]

I wouldn't blame a single person but rather it's the government who responsible for the mess.

 

[TracyTan866]

I get the feeling that the ruling party views the dystopian societies of engineering people into social classes, as depicted in some fictions such as the Brave New World, through Utopian eyes.

This is frightening but there are ample evidence that this is being practised. The early streaming of school children, the limitation of places in higher institutes of learning, in the name of withholding high standards, all point to this segmentation being practised.

The protection of the elite class, whether in their incomes or their
privileges or that of their descendents is a manifestation of this tendency, that after so many years, is now embedded in the whole governance philosophy.

This is key reason why the Gini coefficient is so high compared to other countries of similar GDP per capita level. This is also the reason why, other that the few anecdotal exceptions used for PR purposes, the bulk of the population is socially immobile.

The main obstacle of mobility is the practice of deliberate segmentation through the education system. The common people and the poor depend on getting a good education to move up but places are limited. The elites do not need any help. They can send their children to elite schools overseas and if they do come back, these children become the chieftains of the new generation.

that's true...and the pap realises now that it wont be accepted anymore

 

[TracyTan866]

I wouldn't blame a single person but rather it's the government who responsible for the mess.

yes...that govt..the pap is at fault

 

[kingrant]

Capping training of docs is of course a bad thing. However, I don't think if there were enough doctors, they would stay anyway in public hospitals. Long hours, lower pay. many will still leave for private sector still. It's a world wide problem.

1. Capping training of doctors to abt 300 per year for many years. This is not enough to replace doctors who leave public hospitals after their bond and senior doctors retiring, let alone cater to growth and career upgrading. This has caused a severe shortage of doctors in public hospitals resulting in bad working conditions for younger doctors.

 

[TracyTan866]

Capping training of docs is of course a bad thing. However, I don't think if there were enough doctors, they would stay anyway in public hospitals. Long hours, lower pay. many will still leave for private sector still. It's a world wide problem.

u may be rite...but we can nvr know

 

[freedalas]

I get the feeling that the ruling party views the dystopian societies of engineering people into social classes, as depicted in some fictions such as the Brave New World, through Utopian eyes.

This is frightening but there are ample evidence that this is being practised. The early streaming of school children, the limitation of places in higher institutes of learning, in the name of withholding high standards, all point to this segmentation being practised.

The protection of the elite class, whether in their incomes or their
privileges or that of their descendents is a manifestation of this tendency, that after so many years, is now embedded in the whole governance philosophy.

This is key reason why the Gini coefficient is so high compared to other countries of similar GDP per capita level. This is also the reason why, other that the few anecdotal exceptions used for PR purposes, the bulk of the population is socially immobile.

The main obstacle of mobility is the practice of deliberate segmentation through the education system. The common people and the poor depend on getting a good education to move up but places are limited. The elites do not need any help. They can send their children to elite schools overseas and if they do come back, these children become the chieftains of the new generation.

Another great post, Fook Seng. You summed up brilliantly the cause for many of S'pore woes that PAP chooses to ignore. It also led to the breeding of a group of S'poreans who view the less fortunate and less privileged as losers instead of having sympathy for them. One of such person is in NZ who goes by the name of Lexxxxxm.

 

[freedalas]

Capping training of docs is of course a bad thing. However, I don't think if there were enough doctors, they would stay anyway in public hospitals. Long hours, lower pay. many will still leave for private sector still. It's a world wide problem.

It's true that this is a world wide problem. But the point here is that PAP made it much worse by placing a cap on locally trained docs. It points to the lack of vision by LKY. His failures are now cropping up here and there. Clear for all to see how poorly he conceives his policies and is not at all the visionary he claims to be. It's a total myth.

 

[TracyTan866]

It's true that this is a world wide problem. But the point here is that PAP made it much worse by placing a cap on locally trained docs. It points to the lack of vision by LKY. His failures are now cropping up here and there. Clear for all to see how poorly he conceives his policies and is not at all the visionary he claims to be. It's a total myth.

from the cracks of past pap policies, we can see that the pap leaders lack lond term vision..they suffer from myopia

 

[freedalas]

from the cracks of past pap policies, we can see that the pap leaders lack lond term vision..they suffer from myopia

That's correct. What made it worse is that LKY kept gloating and boasting how visionary PAP is under his leadership and mentoring. With that, he managed to fool majority of S'poreans for a long time - 50 years. But things are changing as more and more of his ill-conceived policies are now taking a beating with the passage of time. If LHH continues in his father's vein, which seems to be the case, S'pore will indeed crumble as u had stated at another thread.

 

[TracyTan866]

That's correct. What made it worse is that LKY kept gloating and boasting how visionary PAP is under his leadership and mentoring. With that, he managed to fool majority of S'poreans for a long time - 50 years. But things are changing as more and more of his ill-conceived policies are now taking a beating with the passage of time. If LHH continues in his father's vein, which seems to be the case, S'pore will indeed crumble as u had stated at another thread.

I foresee big problems ahead for SG. The killer policies are:

1. Influx of cheap foreign labour
2. Casinos and other legalised gambling.

The long term consequences can be debilitating and will be beyond redemption

 

[jw5]

I get the feeling that the ruling party views the dystopian societies of engineering people into social classes, as depicted in some fictions such as the Brave New World, through Utopian eyes.

This is what I think too, and agree with the rest of your post.
And guess who is the great mastermind behind this thinking and action?
Hint: Old and obnoxious, likes to talk a lot, thinks the world of his family.

 

[Fook Seng]

Another great post, Fook Seng. You summed up brilliantly the cause for many of S'pore woes that PAP chooses to ignore. It also led to the breeding of a group of S'poreans who view the less fortunate and less privileged as losers instead of having sympathy for them. One of such person is in NZ who goes by the name of Lexxxxxm.

I have a related thread called "Fixing Capitalism .." which also addresses the problem of inequality, a discussion topic at the just completed World Economic Forum Davos 2012.